Meanwhile in Israel

[Casino]

1 hour ago, BobyBrno said:

Talking about dates. Here’s a recent one. 26th September. 2023.

Landmark Saudi and Israeli trips as normalisation talks progress https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-66922062
 

‘Prince Mohammed said "every day we get closer" to an agreement on normalisation between his country and Israel, while adding that the Palestinian issue was still a "very important" part of the talks.

"The interest of the crown prince in the Palestinian cause is not new. He is keen that the whole region and the world are stable and safe, because this reflects positively on all the people in the world," the ambassador said.’

 

 

The world would have been a different place if Hamas hadn’t butchered 1400 innocent people 11 days later. 

https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2023/6/23/us-says-engaging-with-israel-after-west-bank-settler-attacks

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/us-rebuke-israel-west-bank-settlements-frustration-biden-palestinians-rcna76047

[royal white]

2 hours ago, BobyBrno said:

This First Minister? Doing a great job for Labour in Scotland.

 

What’s wrong with these people? It has to be some kind of illness 

[London Wanderer]

2 hours ago, Mounts Kipper said:

You need to qualify what I said that is spouting shit then we can have a grown up discussion. 

Why you so defensive sister?

 Never knew you identified as a gammon.

[Jol_BWFC]

2 hours ago, Sweep said:

I'm not sure I can agree with that, racism will always exist, no matter if it's spoken about or not

I don’t agree with it either. It was a sarcastic reference to a previous post on this forum where someone suggested that if we stopped talking about racism it would go away (which is clearly rubbish).

[London Wanderer]

2 hours ago, royal white said:

“It is worth remembering that those who served did so to defend the right to peaceful protest”

That was your post 🤦🏻 you can just imagine our grandfathers in the trenches saying “at least our will be able to March in London in years to come. Utter shite

You’re confusing me with Dave mate.

right to free speech and protest is a pillar of many democratic nations. Do you disagree? 

[London Wanderer]

2 hours ago, wanderer1984 said:

In your opinion.

Who’s forecast did you agree with

 The one I posted which was carried out by experts & think tanks? You did read it right?

Or your own forecast (wherever you got it from) ? 

[London Wanderer]

2 hours ago, Lt. Aldo Raine said:

You also claimed it "makes sense"

I thought their statement did aye. Keeping the peace based on Intel.

 They’ve said they don’t have the necessary intel to prove serious risk this weekend

 A strange comparison your making tbh

[royal white]

6 minutes ago, London Wanderer said:

You’re confusing me with Dave mate.

right to free speech and protest is a pillar of many democratic nations. Do you disagree? 

Dave isn’t in the group. It was you that posted it. 
 

Of course it is, no one is saying it’s not. You’re getting awfully confused throughout this. 

[BobyBrno]

26 minutes ago, Casino said:

https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2023/6/23/us-says-engaging-with-israel-after-west-bank-settler-attacks

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/us-rebuke-israel-west-bank-settlements-frustration-biden-palestinians-rcna76047

Like I said, you can pick any date you want and someone will pick another. Mine was later than yours and it was looking like something was about to change. A ‘landmark’ agreement was how the BBC called it. Could have been the biggest in our lifetimes. We’ll probably never know.

[Not in Crawley]

1 hour ago, Mounts Kipper said:

1400 Jews paid the price because Israel wanted to build bridges, a fundamental Islamic state decided to act and start a proxy war via Hamas and we have folk blaming the Jews. Some folk need to give there head a wobble. 

I suggest you have a bit of a read up on the current Israeli government before you give advice to anyone else on this topic.

You won't, but you should.

[Casino]

13 minutes ago, Not in Crawley said:

I suggest you have a bit of a read up on the current Israeli government before you give advice to anyone else on this topic.

You won't, but you should.

the only bridges they wanted to build were on land they illegally occupy 

 

[Mounts Kipper]

1 hour ago, Casino said:

i dunno if its supposed to be a joke

lets assume its not

ive been very careful to note the distinction between israel and jews

not all israelis are jews for a start

mounts has his usual anti moslem rant, reckons israel can do no wrong when its clear as day the israeli govt are a set of cunts who are a law unto themselves and act without any concern for international law/UN resolutions

 

You obviously not read my post where I criticised Israel misdemeanours. 

[Mounts Kipper]

21 minutes ago, Not in Crawley said:

I suggest you have a bit of a read up on the current Israeli government before you give advice to anyone else on this topic.

You won't, but you should.

I have read enough to know Israel are not clean... I make Hamas complicit on creating the current situation. 

[Not in Crawley]

2 minutes ago, Mounts Kipper said:

I have read enough to know Israel are not clean... I make Hamas complicit on creating the current situation. 

But you understand how one creates the other - Hamas doesn't happen in a vaccum.

[Mounts Kipper]

1 hour ago, Ani said:

Which state decided to act ?  

Thought it was common knowledge. Iran. 

[BobyBrno]

24 minutes ago, Not in Crawley said:

I suggest you have a bit of a read up on the current Israeli government before you give advice to anyone else on this topic.

You won't, but you should.

A democratically elected right wing government. That’s the problem with democracy, some times, it doesn’t always go in everyone’s favour. Israel is the most Liberal country in the Middle East. How about the Palestinians. They don’t have a choice. Is that what people are marching for this weekend?

[Mounts Kipper]

3 minutes ago, BobyBrno said:

A democratically elected right wing government. That’s the problem with democracy, some times, it doesn’t always go in everyone’s favour. Israel is the most Liberal country in the Middle East. How about the Palestinians. They don’t have a choice. Is that what people are marching for this weekend?

While Israeli citizens put there life on the line in an attempt to remove Hamas and allow democracy a chance in Palestine... lets hope the Palestinians do not make the same mistake again when they are finally allowed to vote. I wont hold my breath. 

[Not in Crawley]

They are elected, it doesn't mean that their policy on Palestine isn't without serious issue. A mandate simply does not absolve a government. That's basic stuff, BB.

There are many elected governments that have persued troubling foreign policies. The people of Israel should know that better than anyone.

I work with many Jewish people who are very uncomfortable with the Zionist polices and the way they are currently being conducted by this current government that is not simply right-wing.

As I said, the current conflict does not happen in a vaccum, and to ignore such a fact is do a disservice to those Israli's how were killed by Hamas by trying to find a way of stopping more bloodshed.

[Not in Crawley]

5 minutes ago, Mounts Kipper said:

While Israeli citizens put there life on the line in an attempt to remove Hamas and allow democracy a chance in Palestine... lets hope the Palestinians do not make the same mistake again when they are finally allowed to vote. I wont hold my breath. 

I beg your pardon?

[Ani]

6 minutes ago, Mounts Kipper said:

Thought it was common knowledge. Iran. 

So why not attack them ? 
 

Iran provoke the attack and that justifies killing 000s of Palestinians ? 
 

Hamas are a terrorist organisation and should be hunted down and destroyed, think everyone agrees on that on here. But it is totally reasonable to question if the destruction of so many innocent lives is justified. 
 

There is not a simple solution to this and the victims are being fucked over by the leadership on both sides. Hamas are happy to sacrifice people for the cause and the Israeli leader sold himself to the people on being strong on defence and has overseen the biggest security/intelligence failing since Miami took 4 coaches to Derby away. He is now forced to play catch up. 
 

Do not have to be on a 'side' to be sickened by the number of innocent people being killed. 

[BobyBrno]

3 minutes ago, Not in Crawley said:

They are elected, it doesn't mean that their policy on Palestine isn't without serious issue. A mandate simply does not absolve a government. That's basic stuff, BB.

There are many elected governments that have persued troubling foreign policies. The people of Israel should know that better than anyone.

I work with many Jewish people who are very uncomfortable with the Zionist polices and the way they are currently being conducted by this current government that is not simply right-wing.

As I said, the current conflict does not happen in a vaccum, and to ignore such a fact is do a disservice to those Israli's how were killed by Hamas by trying to find a way of stopping more bloodshed.

What about the democracy in Palestine? They were elected. Shall we stop saying Hamas and just say Palestinians? Everyone seems to hate the Jews because of their government. Does it work both ways?

[BobyBrno]

2 minutes ago, Ani said:

 

 

Do not have to be on a 'side' to be sickened by the number of innocent people being killed. 

No doubt many innocent lives have been lost. The tragic side of war. Do you believe it’s as many as Hamas as stated?

[Not in Crawley]

No one hates Jews - its troubling that you would even commit to writing that as certainly doesn't aid an discussion on the topic, and just enflames more of this culture war bullshit. As has been repeated, you take take issue with Israel's government, you can be appauled at the terrorism of Hamas.

The fact that some want to 'take sides' in a conflict where there are issues with both stances is simply baffling to me.

But as I say, to simply try and absolve the Israel government of any blame is disingenuous at best, and being an apologist at worst.

[Not in Crawley]

8 minutes ago, Ani said:

So why not attack them ? 
 

Iran provoke the attack and that justifies killing 000s of Palestinians ? 
 

Hamas are a terrorist organisation and should be hunted down and destroyed, think everyone agrees on that on here. But it is totally reasonable to question if the destruction of so many innocent lives is justified. 
 

There is not a simple solution to this and the victims are being fucked over by the leadership on both sides. Hamas are happy to sacrifice people for the cause and the Israeli leader sold himself to the people on being strong on defence and has overseen the biggest security/intelligence failing since Miami took 4 coaches to Derby away. He is now forced to play catch up. 
 

Do not have to be on a 'side' to be sickened by the number of innocent people being killed. 

Is something that some appear to have forgotten on here.

[royal white]

1 minute ago, Not in Crawley said:

No one hates Jews - its troubling that you would even commit to writing that as certainly doesn't aid an discussion on the topic, and just enflames more of this culture war bullshit. As has been repeated, you take take issue with Israel's government, you can be appauled at the terrorism of Hamas.

The fact that some want to 'take sides' in a conflict where there are issues with both stances is simply baffling to me.

But as I say, to simply try and absolve the Israel government of any blame is disingenuous at best, and being an apologist at worst.

Wow