BobyBrno Posted October 21, 2023 Share Posted October 21, 2023 2 minutes ago, London Wanderer said: The older generation (particularly the gammon elders) Give it a rest. Division in society is driven by people like you and the 100, 000 ‘Flag Shaggers’ in London today. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
globaldiver Posted October 21, 2023 Share Posted October 21, 2023 14 minutes ago, BobyBrno said: Give it a rest. Division in society is driven by people like you and the 100, 000 ‘Flag Shaggers’ in London today. Quite Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
globaldiver Posted October 21, 2023 Share Posted October 21, 2023 24 minutes ago, London Wanderer said: I wouldn't be surprised if it climate change is playing it's part in the middle east conflict. Feel free to outline Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BobyBrno Posted October 21, 2023 Share Posted October 21, 2023 It’s a complicated world on the left side of common sense. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
globaldiver Posted October 21, 2023 Share Posted October 21, 2023 23 minutes ago, BobyBrno said: It’s a complicated world on the left side of common sense. Dancing on pinhead Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Site Supporter Tonge moor green jacket Posted October 21, 2023 Site Supporter Share Posted October 21, 2023 35 minutes ago, globaldiver said: Feel free to outline Everyone losing their heads in the heat! fwiw, I think it will increasingly play its part for the whole area in the coming years. Increasingly, nations further afield starting to fall out with neighbours over dams/rivers. Water going to be an issue in addition to current problems. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
London Wanderer Posted October 21, 2023 Share Posted October 21, 2023 1 hour ago, globaldiver said: Feel free to outline The territories of Israel and Palestine are some of the most climate vulnerable in the world. Many of the Arab uprisings (particularly Syria) was driven by drought and food shortages. Increased conflict is something we will see more and more as more areas of the world become uninhabitable due to global warming. Clearly areas where tensions are high already are more at risk of increased conflict. It's all connected. Obviously other huge factors are at play though. The Israeli-Palestinian Conflict Is a Looming Climate Crisis | Time Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
London Wanderer Posted October 21, 2023 Share Posted October 21, 2023 (edited) 1 hour ago, BobyBrno said: Give it a rest. Division in society is driven by people like you and the 100, 000 ‘Flag Shaggers’ in London today. Aww come on. It's endearing, as I've explained. The right to protest is what makes this Island Great.. Today sounds largely peaceful to be fair. The incident with the LGBT flag shows there is an undercurrent of extremism in the pro-Palestine movement that many on the left are ignorant of. But the left has often been scared of calling out aspects of the Muslim community. Edited October 21, 2023 by London Wanderer Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
globaldiver Posted October 21, 2023 Share Posted October 21, 2023 3 minutes ago, London Wanderer said: The territories of Israel and Palestine are some of the most climate vulnerable in the world. Many of the Arab uprisings (particularly Syria) was driven by drought and food shortages. Increased conflict is something we will see more and more as more areas of the world become uninhabitable due to global warming. Clearly areas where tensions are high already are more at risk of increased conflict. It's all connected. Obviously other huge factors are at play though. The Israeli-Palestinian Conflict Is a Looming Climate Crisis | Time So not playing a part in the current issue then Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
London Wanderer Posted October 21, 2023 Share Posted October 21, 2023 Just now, globaldiver said: So not playing a part in the current issue then It is playing a part mate yes. The debate is more around how big a part it is playing. I would say fairly small at the moment, but set to get bigger. What do you think? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BobyBrno Posted October 21, 2023 Share Posted October 21, 2023 3 minutes ago, London Wanderer said: Aww come on. It's endearing, as I've explained. The right to protest is what makes this Island Great.. Today sounds largely peaceful to be fair. The incident with the LGBT flag shows there is an undercurrent of extremism in the pro-Palestine movement that many on the left are ignorant of. But the left has often been scared of calling out aspects of the Muslim community. Endearing? 😅 Fuck off. Anyway, the second part of your post is spot on. 👍 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
globaldiver Posted October 21, 2023 Share Posted October 21, 2023 24 minutes ago, London Wanderer said: It is playing a part mate yes. The debate is more around how big a part it is playing. I would say fairly small at the moment, but set to get bigger. What do you think? Non existent at the moment, no evidence to say otherwise. Clearly things might change in the future. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Site Supporter Tonge moor green jacket Posted October 21, 2023 Site Supporter Share Posted October 21, 2023 9 minutes ago, globaldiver said: Non existent at the moment, no evidence to say otherwise. Clearly things might change in the future. Even if there is an impact, it is impossible to identify it. The problems have been going on for thousands of years, well before we discovered coal, or the combustion engine! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
London Wanderer Posted October 21, 2023 Share Posted October 21, 2023 12 minutes ago, globaldiver said: Non existent at the moment, no evidence to say otherwise. Clearly things might change in the future. I think this is fairly representative of how a lot of people currently feel about the effects of climate change. As something that 'might change in the future'. It's usually older people, though I know that's a big generalisation. The reality is that we are seeing the effects now and it's not just in changing climate and ecosystems. It is in spreading conflict. Drought and food shortages are becoming much more prevalent. Countries in Africa for example are much more reliant on countries like Ukraine to provide grain. It's all connected and other countries fates are more dependent than they used to be. You can see it exacerbating conflicts in the Middle East, without a doubt IMO. Some of the first truly devasting effects of climate change on this country could be us losing our young to conflicts we've been forced to join abroad. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
globaldiver Posted October 21, 2023 Share Posted October 21, 2023 57 minutes ago, London Wanderer said: I think this is fairly representative of how a lot of people currently feel about the effects of climate change. As something that 'might change in the future'. It's usually older people, though I know that's a big generalisation. The reality is that we are seeing the effects now and it's not just in changing climate and ecosystems. It is in spreading conflict. Drought and food shortages are becoming much more prevalent. Countries in Africa for example are much more reliant on countries like Ukraine to provide grain. It's all connected and other countries fates are more dependent than they used to be. You can see it exacerbating conflicts in the Middle East, without a doubt IMO. Some of the first truly devasting effects of climate change on this country could be us losing our young to conflicts we've been forced to join abroad. I’m not denying climate change, I just can’t see any causality in this conflict. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maaarsh Posted October 21, 2023 Share Posted October 21, 2023 1 hour ago, London Wanderer said: Drought and food shortages are becoming much more prevalent. This is absolutely verifiably the opposite of reality, but we all know theory trumps reality once people gte bought in to a position. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Site Supporter Spider Posted October 21, 2023 Site Supporter Share Posted October 21, 2023 7 hours ago, Tonge moor green jacket said: Free speech is ace: just a shame some waste it by spouting shite and offer nothing in return. Nigel Farage wants a word Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mounts Kipper Posted October 21, 2023 Share Posted October 21, 2023 spot on tweet this. One black guy dies in America and the world breaks out into mass protests, cities burn, and anyone in the public eye desperately bends the knee for a cheap photo opportunity in faux solidarity. 1,400 Jews are slaughtered and the same people are out on the streets calling for the annihilation of Israel and the Jewish people. Meanwhile, the celebrities, politicians and sportsmen who can't wait to jump on every other tragedy remain silent. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
London Wanderer Posted October 21, 2023 Share Posted October 21, 2023 Where would you begin with that tweet? What a load of shite. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
royal white Posted October 22, 2023 Share Posted October 22, 2023 Just more pro Palestine demonstrators peacefully getting their point across in the capital. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Farrelli Posted October 22, 2023 Share Posted October 22, 2023 5 hours ago, Mounts Kipper said: spot on tweet this. One black guy dies in America and the world breaks out into mass protests, cities burn, and anyone in the public eye desperately bends the knee for a cheap photo opportunity in faux solidarity. 1,400 Jews are slaughtered and the same people are out on the streets calling for the annihilation of Israel and the Jewish people. Meanwhile, the celebrities, politicians and sportsmen who can't wait to jump on every other tragedy remain silent. Where to begin🙈 Racial discrimination against black people and minorities is a big global issue. Terrorism is a big global issue. Israel response to terrorism and destabilising Middle East peace is a big issue with major global impacts. Your tweet is a very poor attempt at collating global issues in an overly simplistic way that appeals to a certain group of white middle aged men. It is also really unhelpful as it triggers those people who live their life on social media and don’t have a wider perspective to draw on. You should know better. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
London Wanderer Posted October 22, 2023 Share Posted October 22, 2023 1 hour ago, Farrelli said: Where to begin🙈 Racial discrimination against black people and minorities is a big global issue. Terrorism is a big global issue. Israel response to terrorism and destabilising Middle East peace is a big issue with major global impacts. Your tweet is a very poor attempt at collating global issues in an overly simplistic way that appeals to a certain group of white middle aged men. It is also really unhelpful as it triggers those people who live their life on social media and don’t have a wider perspective to draw on. You should know better. You mean to say the issues in America weren’t just about ‘one black guy’ ? And that ‘Free Palestine’ & ‘end the occupation’ doesn’t mean annihilate Jews? That for every pocket of extremism, there are thousands of peaceful people who don’t advocate for terrorism? This is going to seriously blow Mounts mind. Strange that folk try to define these things in such a simplistic way and completely ignore the wider context and history. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
London Wanderer Posted October 22, 2023 Share Posted October 22, 2023 10 hours ago, maaarsh said: This is absolutely verifiably the opposite of reality, but we all know theory trumps reality once people gte bought in to a position. What’s the opposite of reality? Are droughts not becoming more severe? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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BobyBrno Posted October 22, 2023 Share Posted October 22, 2023 28 minutes ago, Lt. Aldo Raine said: 🤦♂️ When the book burning begins, they will say that they’ve done a H&S assessment and found nothing wrong. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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