Covid-19

[Tonge moor green jacket]

4 minutes ago, Zico said:

Aye, the article i linked to a acknowledges it comes from bats, which were found in a mine, it's not in doubt bats were the source 

But the market initially blamed doesn't sell bats, the market is round the corner from a lab that was studying the virus found in the bats they found in the mines 

Basically, it came from bats and shoddy attitude to workplace safety at the lab meant it got out info the general public

The markets sell pangolin etc though. 

Either route is possible, lab or "nature", and I don't think we'll ever know for sure.

Mers was originally discovered in Saudi Arabia and I'm not sure if they have a laboratory/industry like wuhan does. 

For me, there's a possible correlation between the emergence of these diseases, and developing nations going through their own "industrial revolutions" whilst there are some very old fashioned attitudes amongst the population. 

We went through similar. 

[Sweep]

Grim times, in the village club tonight, we're sadly, from news in the last hour, mourning the loss of two of our friends: DJ (61) and Splash (49) have both died today in Lister Hospital with COVID. Both of them had lung issues, and to be honest never looked very well, but fuck me, both are now dead and I'll never see them again.

[Mounts Kipper]

19 minutes ago, Tonge moor green jacket said:

Apart from the fact that deaths don't occur instantaneously. 

See where we are in a week or two as they follow the natural progression. 

Then we'll know if it's fuck all.

South Africa is 5 weeks ahead and currently average of 30 deaths a day. That strongly suggests that it’s a milder version.

Edited December 17, 2021 by Mounts Kipper

[Rudy]

16 minutes ago, Mounts Kipper said:

South Africa is 5 weeks ahead and currently average of 30 deaths a day. That strongly suggests that it’s a milder version.

Not for the people who died

[Tonge moor green jacket]

11 minutes ago, Mounts Kipper said:

South Africa is 5 weeks ahead and currently average of 30 deaths a day. That strongly suggests that it’s a milder version.

I know you don't think much of him, but whitty's very scientifically astute comments made perfect sense the other day.

The assessment of its potency now (omicron) is being made against a backdrop of a proportion of a vaccinated population. 

Earlier variants' were assessed against a population of much lower vaccination levels, therefore the previous ones will appear more severe, even if they're not.

You also forget the younger population.

Too soon to fully quantify it yet, and although it does seem it may he less harmful at first sight, it doesn't amount to fuck all. 

We've seen figures of a 29% reduction- that's not particularly big, especially if it still results in 71% of the number of deaths from other variants. 

 

[Mounts Kipper]

Just now, Rudy said:

Not for the people who died

I think I know that… I’ve had 2 family die, still government need to get a grip, other folk dying from non Covid illnesses, the whole economy being trashed again while we continue with Covid as priority over absolutely everything. 

[Rudy]

1 minute ago, Mounts Kipper said:

I think I know that… I’ve had 2 family die, still government need to get a grip, other folk dying from non Covid illnesses, the whole economy being trashed again while we continue with Covid as priority over absolutely everything. 

I was jesting.

Said it to my mate earlier the problem is we have people too many choices. It needed to be black and white now it’s just a mess and no one knows what they’re supposed to be doing

[Dimron]

30 minutes ago, Tonge moor green jacket said:

The markets sell pangolin etc though. 

Either route is possible, lab or "nature", and I don't think we'll ever know for sure.

Mers was originally discovered in Saudi Arabia and I'm not sure if they have a laboratory/industry like wuhan does. 

For me, there's a possible correlation between the emergence of these diseases, and developing nations going through their own "industrial revolutions" whilst there are some very old fashioned attitudes amongst the population. 

We went through similar. 

I think we need to realise we cannot ignore the public health of third world countries in our new world of mass air travel and globalisation, I recall Gordon Brown was making the point few weeks ago,

[Mounts Kipper]

10 minutes ago, Tonge moor green jacket said:

I know you don't think much of him, but whitty's very scientifically astute comments made perfect sense the other day.

The assessment of its potency now (omicron) is being made against a backdrop of a proportion of a vaccinated population. 

Earlier variants' were assessed against a population of much lower vaccination levels, therefore the previous ones will appear more severe, even if they're not.

You also forget the younger population.

Too soon to fully quantify it yet, and although it does seem it may he less harmful at first sight, it doesn't amount to fuck all. 

We've seen figures of a 29% reduction- that's not particularly big, especially if it still results in 71% of the number of deaths from other variants. 

 

I think whitty consistently outlines the worst possible outcome, it’s clear he’s a half glass empty personality, we had a plan B and he went above and beyond that with his comments, subsequently we’ve virtually killed hospitality, high street and travel once again, I’d pull him from the broadcasts to be honest. 

[Sweep]

1 hour ago, Dimron said:

The fact remains that a Chinese virologist was carrying out Corona virus research on specimens of interest identified in some bat inhabited caves in rural China. It was sponsored by multi national pharmacy as it had been banned in the US as  too risky.

Somehow it got into the nearby live food market, probably a cleaning contractor hadn't taken the necessary precautions or whatever... complacency happens.

Then it spread on the back of Chinese New Year when everyone wants to get together and then the airlines did the rest.

No conspiracy here, just the biggest smoking gun in history and our increasing globalisation 

 

You say "The fact remains.." is it now fact, or still guess work?

[stevieb]

8 minutes ago, Dimron said:

I think we need to realise we cannot ignore the public health of third world countries in our new world of mass air travel and globalisation, I recall Gordon Brown was making the point few weeks ago,

Shush 

This is all to blame at the feet of Dickhead Danny who watches YouTube videos for his medical advice. 

No one else is to blame. 

 

[Rudy]

1 hour ago, Dimron said:

The fact remains that a Chinese virologist was carrying out Corona virus research on specimens of interest identified in some bat inhabited caves in rural China. It was sponsored by multi national pharmacy as it had been banned in the US as  too risky.

Somehow it got into the nearby live food market, probably a cleaning contractor hadn't taken the necessary precautions or whatever... complacency happens.

Then it spread on the back of Chinese New Year when everyone wants to get together and then the airlines did the rest.

No conspiracy here, just the biggest smoking gun in history and our increasing globalisation 

 

Mentalist

[DaisyHWanderer]

16 minutes ago, Mounts Kipper said:

I think whitty consistently outlines the worst possible outcome, it’s clear he’s a half glass empty personality, we had a plan B and he went above and beyond that with his comments, subsequently we’ve virtually killed hospitality, high street and travel once again, I’d pull him from the broadcasts to be honest. 

His job is to advise on the best possible routes and outcomes scientifically and health-wise with no bearing of the economical effects. That's someone elses job. Hence generally we have followed a path somewhere between the scientifically optimal and economically best outcomes.

[Dimron]

2 minutes ago, Rudy said:

Mentalist

Facts:

• Viral research that was deemed as too risky in the western world was sub-contracted to China. 
• A virologist in Wuhan was researching modifications to an unusual Coronavirus found in a particular cluster of caves in rural China
• Initial epicentre was in Wuhan
• Chinese New Year was in progress and lots of Chinese citizens were flying around the world

Not mentalist, just black and white concentrating on known facts, I don't particularly blame China, it was an accident waiting to happen. Like most disasters it's a chain of events that leads to an unfortunate conclusion.

[Mounts Kipper]

7 minutes ago, DaisyHWanderer said:

His job is to advise on the best possible routes and outcomes scientifically and health-wise with no bearing of the economical effects. That's someone elses job. Hence generally we have followed a path somewhere between the scientifically optimal and economically best outcomes.

Agree that that’s his job, seems to me that no one is making the economic case strongly enough, Boris just does as Kier tells him, all be it 1 week after. 

Edited December 17, 2021 by Mounts Kipper

[stevieb]

2 minutes ago, Dimron said:

Facts:

• Viral research that was deemed as too risky in the western world was sub-contracted to China. 
• A virologist in Wuhan was researching modifications to an unusual Coronavirus found in a particular cluster of caves in rural China
• Initial epicentre was in Wuhan
• Chinese New Year was in progress and lots of Chinese citizens were flying around the world

Not mentalist, just black and white concentrating on known facts, I don't particularly blame China, it was an accident waiting to happen. Like most disasters it's a chain of events that leads to an unfortunate conclusion.

You forgot to add that people at the Wuhan military games in October 2019 where being told to stay in their accommodation because the city was struggling with a new virus. 

Anyone ill with 'flu' over here in winter 2019/20 had Covaids. 

Chyna only let the cat out of the bag when it was too late. 

Just like Russia saying they won't invade Ukraine..... 🤣 

[Zico]

1 hour ago, Tonge moor green jacket said:

The markets sell pangolin etc though. 

Either route is possible, lab or "nature", and I don't think we'll ever know for sure.

Mers was originally discovered in Saudi Arabia and I'm not sure if they have a laboratory/industry like wuhan does. 

That link doesn't make any reference to pangolins once 

I suspect they're part of the whole initial cover up suggestion as to how this got into circulation 

Am open minded on the whole thing but as said, that investigative journalist certainly seems to have put some serious effort into figuring it out. 

The mers in Saudi probably came from bats too, regardless of it was via a lab

[stevieb]

2 minutes ago, Zico said:

That link doesn't make any reference to pangolins once 

I suspect they're part of the whole initial cover up suggestion as to how this got into circulation 

Am open minded on the whole thing but as said, that investigative journalist certainly seems to have put some serious effort into figuring it out. 

The mers in Saudi probably came from bats too, regardless of it was via a lab

You should do a battlenips of bill Gates balls deep in fauci pegging xi xiping

 

[Traf]

53 minutes ago, stevieb said:

Anyone ill with 'flu' over here in winter 2019/20 had Covaids. 

I was quite ill at Xmas '19 with what you'd now describe as Covid-like symptoms and I know lots of others in a similar position.

[stevieb]

8 minutes ago, Traf said:

I was quite ill at Xmas '19 with what you'd now describe as Covid-like symptoms and I know lots of others in a similar position.

Same 

We didn't leave the house as a family for 3 weeks and when we did we were fucked after walking for 10 mins. 

JSL

[Sweep]

12 hours ago, Mr Grey said:

The fact is the country as been run on guess work for the last 2 years ....... c'mon fella 😏

I agree

and it's "has" not "as" 😏

Edited December 18, 2021 by Sweep

[Sweep]

1 hour ago, Dimron said:

Facts:

• Viral research that was deemed as too risky in the western world was sub-contracted to China. 
• A virologist in Wuhan was researching modifications to an unusual Coronavirus found in a particular cluster of caves in rural China
• Initial epicentre was in Wuhan
• Chinese New Year was in progress and lots of Chinese citizens were flying around the world

Not mentalist, just black and white concentrating on known facts, I don't particularly blame China, it was an accident waiting to happen. Like most disasters it's a chain of events that leads to an unfortunate conclusion.

at least one of those isn't a fact at all - I was in Wuhan when this initially kicked off, and it was nowhere near CNY, it was October when they started to see issues (granted, it wasn't reported until December), but even then, the place was being closed down, I saw it with my own eyes

[CambridgeBWFC]

8 hours ago, Dimron said:

Facts:

• Viral research that was deemed as too risky in the western world was sub-contracted to China. 

Seems that this bit isn't quite a fact either, research on 'gain of function' pathogens was paused by the NIH in 2014, but allowed to resume again in 2017.

Also that is government funded research,  no mention of private funding which Pharma would be so presumably could have continued during this pause.

 

[dave2980]

I'm sure I've stated this before but you don't "accidentally" release anything from a biosecurity level 4 lab. If it's come from a lab it has either been deliberately released or negligently and the latter is nigh on impossible to do

[Escobarp]

We all know. We always have. Just some have and continue to deny it.