Covid-19

[Escobarp]

2 minutes ago, kent_white said:

 

Anyway - what I'm basically saying is doing away with daily cases as a data set is a horrible idea! 😁

Look at who suggested it 🙄 say no more 

[kent_white]

23 minutes ago, waffer cup 07 said:

But surely people with colds and flu aren't admitted to hospital.

Yes they are - all the time. Especially people with flu.

Most people who die of pneumonia start off with some sort of bacterial infection or respiratory infection like a cold. 

Flu is an absolute stone cold killer. The reason most people don't worry about it it because they've never actually had it. What most people call 'flu' is just a bad cold. Influenza is a whole different ball game and I've seen plenty of people in their 30's and 40's die from it. And countless people over 75.

[waffer cup 07]

10 minutes ago, Escobarp said:

Look at who suggested it 🙄

 

Edited December 28, 2021 by waffer cup 07

[Tonge moor green jacket]

5 minutes ago, kent_white said:

I don't know because I've not been involved in the planning for a week or two. But we usually have a decent idea with a margin of error at either side. I can't say officially of course - but as far as I can tell - admissions are not at the 'worst case scenario'. But that's always the one we need to prepare for. 

The trouble over the next couple of months is that we'll have 2 strains of COVID + flu because people are starting to mix again + all the normal admissions from people going about their daily business, breaking legs, hip fractures and folk getting pissed and fighting. 

But yeah - the one thing we say all the time in the NHS is that predictions are NEVER totally correct. They just give you a steer with varying degrees of accuracy that get better over time. 

Right at the beginning of COVID the margins were enormous just because we had no idea what we were dealing with. 

Anyway - what I'm basically saying is doing away with daily cases as a data set is a horrible idea! 😁

Aye. For me the response to the omicron emergence has been better as they've learned.

Cautious early and now less so.

I'm not sure how much delta will be around as we go forward- the previous ones seemed to disappear as delta took hold, and this one is now being pushed out by omicron.

It is remarkable though just how infectious it seems to be. Need to take my brother's keys back, but he described his 6 day lft as lighting up like a Christmas tree, so I'll wait! 😁

[waffer cup 07]

14 minutes ago, Escobarp said:

Look at who suggested it 🙄 say no more 

If you actually look at what I said is, just record hospital admissions and deaths. I never suggested doing away with the data.

[Tonge moor green jacket]

8 minutes ago, waffer cup 07 said:

If you actually look at what I said is, just record hospital admissions and deaths. I never suggested doing away with the data.

A point which has been explained as total folly, by someone directly involved in the process.

[Cheese]

25 minutes ago, Casino said:

They are

 

Now then, at the beginning of all this wife explained how it would likely mutate and probably weaken

If this mutation has achived what the virus wanted to do

Ie, not kill the host, why would it mutate again?

Because a virus isn't a sentient being. It doesn't "want" anything. If that were the case, no virus would ever kill its host. Mutations are effectively "errors" in the viruses reproduction, and are entirely unpredictable.

[Tonge moor green jacket]

1 minute ago, Cheese said:

Because a virus isn't a sentient being. It doesn't "want" anything. If that were the case, no virus would ever kill its host. Mutations are effectively "errors" in the viruses reproduction, and are entirely unpredictable.

Yep. Evolution in action before our very eyes.

And if a new mutation came about that was less infectious, it would probably not get started.

One thing which would help to reduce new strains is fewer cases overall, though that's not likely just at the moment. 

[Escobarp]

16 minutes ago, waffer cup 07 said:

If you actually look at what I said is, just record hospital admissions and deaths. I never suggested doing away with the data.

Sorry I’m struggling. You said just record admissions and deaths. Thus excluding cases. Sorry buddy 

[waffer cup 07]

1 minute ago, Escobarp said:

Sorry I’m struggling. You said just record admissions and deaths. Thus excluding cases. Sorry buddy 

Just don't see the point now of publishing daily figures of around 90,000 case when the high majority won't get anywhere near hospital.

[Escobarp]

Just now, waffer cup 07 said:

Just don't see the point now of publishing daily figures of around 90,000 case when the high majority won't get anywhere near hospital.

See Kent’s post. It’s because it’s the only method of forecasting. I agree the case numbers tell ordinary folk like us nowt but to the nhs they are essential it appears. 

[Cheese]

9 minutes ago, waffer cup 07 said:

Just don't see the point now of publishing daily figures of around 90,000 case when the high majority won't get anywhere near hospital.

Here's an easy solution for you - don't look at the daily figures. You're reminding me of that Ricky Gervais bit about guitar lessons....

[Winchester White]

129471 cases in one day, fucking hell. Tis a good job the omicron is weaker and results in less hospital cases.

What was the peak during the 2nd wave btw?

[MancWanderer]

Bugger. SiL has tested positive along with her daughter. Was with them on Xmas Day. Brother still negative. I had a PCR today but can’t hold of a LFT for love nor money to get a quick test to see if I can go to see my mum as she was also there

 

[MancWanderer]

1 hour ago, Escobarp said:

See Kent’s post. It’s because it’s the only method of forecasting. I agree the case numbers tell ordinary folk like us nowt but to the nhs they are essential it appears. 

This ^

[little whitt]

15 minutes ago, Winchester White said:

129471 cases in one day, fucking hell. Tis a good job the omicron is weaker and results in less hospital cases.

What was the peak during the 2nd wave btw?

out of 70 million people

[Escobarp]

30 minutes ago, MancWanderer said:

Bugger. SiL has tested positive along with her daughter. Was with them on Xmas Day. Brother still negative. I had a PCR today but can’t hold of a LFT for love nor money to get a quick test to see if I can go to see my mum as she was also there

 

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Edited December 28, 2021 by Escobarp

[Winchester White]

14 minutes ago, little whitt said:

out of 70 million people

Yes but we are mostly all jabbed and/or had it before so it just shows how transmissible it is.

It may well have just burnt itself out with a bit of luck, the cunt.

[MancWanderer]

17 minutes ago, Escobarp said:

I can post you some down if you are desperate pal as I’ve a few in the house 👍🏼

Nice one mate. I’ve got a collect code so I’ll try in the morning. If no luck I’ll message you

WWayers at their finest 👏

[Escobarp]

4 minutes ago, MancWanderer said:

Nice one mate. I’ve got a collect code so I’ll try in the morning. If no luck I’ll message you

WWayers at their finest 👏

Only deleted post as I thought by time you get them you will have had a pcr. But text me if you need any will send you some nae bother 

[MancWanderer]

3 minutes ago, Escobarp said:

Only deleted post as I thought by time you get them you will have had a pcr. But text me if you need any will send you some nae bother 

I’d not picked any up previously but realise now that I should have some just in case. Most places shut today but those open had none in stock so yeah if I can’t get any tomorrow would appreciate a couple til I can get some 

[Winchester White]

Number of Covid hospitalisations in England rises to 9,546

https://f7td5.app.goo.gl/QXDn7P

How we looking compared to the last wave? Pretty sure we are well down but two weeks ago cases weren't that high?

[Burndens Bogs]

1 hour ago, Winchester White said:

129471 cases in one day, fucking hell. Tis a good job the omicron is weaker and results in less hospital cases.

What was the peak during the 2nd wave btw?

The peak was around 68,000 new cases per day in early Jan 2021, 2 weeks later daily deaths were peaking at approx 1,800 per day.

Edited December 28, 2021 by Burndens Bogs

[Escobarp]

But the vaccines don’t work 🤪🤪🤪🤪

[Burndens Bogs]

2 minutes ago, Escobarp said:

But the vaccines don’t work 🤪🤪🤪🤪

I’m guessing most of the vulnerable from a year ago have either died or they’ve been triple jabbed