Covid-19

[Escobarp]

Just now, Mounts Kipper said:

He also got it right in summer when starmer disagreed and it’s looking likely he’s right this time…. I’ll pass part of the credit to the 1922 committee though. 

I’m not apportioning credit to one or another. But you can’t have it both ways as some Seemingly do. Strange. But expected 

 

[Mounts Kipper]

Just now, Escobarp said:

I’m not apportioning credit to one or another. But you can’t have it both ways as some Seemingly do. Strange. But expected 

 

Very much expected! 

[Escobarp]

1 minute ago, stevieb said:

Whether they were told that or not that's what they believed. 

Read comments sections on the daily fail. 

Also overhearing conversations in pubs and restaurants I've heard a lot of it. Especially from younger people than the average demographic on here. 

So they’ve made it up in their own minds. Wonder which other part of our population have done similar?? 

[DazBob]

1 minute ago, stevieb said:

Whether they were told that or not that's what they believed. 

Read comments sections on the daily fail. 

Also overhearing conversations in pubs and restaurants I've heard a lot of it. Especially from younger people than the average demographic on here. 

Anyone who believed that to be the case was/is a fucking numbskull.  The sort of imbecile who believes everything that they read on Facebook.

[Tonge moor green jacket]

1 hour ago, Escobarp said:

Boris gambled and got it seemingly right this time 

what makes me Laugh is folk saying Boris didn’t decide this it was the scientists or sage or A N other. but he decided previously according to the same people when he was locking us down and when it suited their rhetoric 🤒🤒

Noticed that too.

Quite a disturbing lack of rational thinking. Or common sense. 

The prosecco effect? 😁

[Spider]

Fair play to Sulaiman on this one. Was a bit of a gamble but the indicators were pointing to a milder infection and a heavily vaccinated population so it’s been the right call.

He can have a pat on his flabby back from me on this. Covid, overall, they’ve more or less got right.

 

[Ani]

Not sure there is much to criticise in terms of the vaccine roll out from Boris and the boys, including the boosters. 
I know a couple of folk who had the virus over Xmas and they both decided to have a night out just beforehand. So no fucking sympathy.

I posted 2-3 weeks ago about some expert saying that a big third surge in the virus with a less dangerous strain becoming dominant might be the best result we see, which he said is quite typical of the cycle of a virus. 
He did also say would drop off pretty quick and that we would be back to normal pretty quick after. (Although he ruined it by talking about the 'new normal') 

[MickyD]

21 hours ago, Burndens Bogs said:

Up to now, 49 people in the UK have died due to the Omicron variant.

Which is only a dozen over the daily death rate for car crashes. 
 

Average weekly influenza deaths in England and Wales between 200 and 480.

Time to crack on and do what your comfortable with. If you want to wear a mask, wear one. 

[kent_white]

Reading some really interesting statistics about hospital beds in the UK and how they've declined over time.

In 2008 we had just over 205,000. By the start of the pandemic this had decreased to just over 165,000. There has been a gradual decline year on year.

This is for a country with an ageing population which has increased in size during the same period. 

By way of comparison - Germany has just over 657,000 hospital beds, and France just over 390,000.

A lot of our remaining 165,000 beds cannot currently be used - this is to prevent the spread of COVID inside hospitals. 

There are currently around 10,000 patients in with COVID in the UK.

You cannot continue to squeeze a healthcare system year, after year, after year and expect it to survive. Certainly not if you want it to be a world class one. 

The same goes for Public Health and Local Government. 

Its not a popular opinion on here. But these services need long term, sustained funding - that can only realistically happen by raising taxes. Barring an economic miracle which looks increasingly unlikely and/or borrowing more money. 

Right now - we are all being bitten on the arse for years of underfunding. 

[Spider]

Just now, kent_white said:

Reading some really interesting statistics about hospital beds in the UK and how they've declined over time.

In 2008 we had just over 205,000. By the start of the pandemic this had decreased to just over 165,000. There has been a gradual decline year on year.

This is for a country with an ageing population which has increased in size during the same period. 

By way of comparison - Germany has just over 657,000 hospital beds, and France just over 390,000.

A lot of our remaining 165,000 beds cannot currently be used - this is to prevent the spread of COVID inside hospitals. 

There are currently around 10,000 patients in with COVID in the UK.

You cannot continue to squeeze a healthcare system year, after year, after year and expect it to survive. Certainly not if you want it to be a world class one. 

The same goes for Public Health and Local Government. 

Its not a popular opinion on here. But these services need long term, sustained funding - that can only realistically happen by raising taxes. Barring an economic miracle which looks increasingly unlikely and/or borrowing more money. 

Right now - we are all being bitten on the arse for years of underfunding. 

IT’S THE OPPOSITION’S FAULT!!!

[kent_white]

1 minute ago, Spider said:

IT’S THE OPPOSITION’S FAULT!!!

I know - if they'd done their job properly and opposed all this a bit better then we might not be in this sorry mess! 😁

[kent_white]

3 minutes ago, Spider said:

IT’S THE OPPOSITION’S FAULT!!!

Still, good news about the passports! 👍

[Casino]

5 minutes ago, kent_white said:

Reading some really interesting statistics about hospital beds in the UK and how they've declined over time.

In 2008 we had just over 205,000. By the start of the pandemic this had decreased to just over 165,000. There has been a gradual decline year on year.

This is for a country with an ageing population which has increased in size during the same period. 

By way of comparison - Germany has just over 657,000 hospital beds, and France just over 390,000.

A lot of our remaining 165,000 beds cannot currently be used - this is to prevent the spread of COVID inside hospitals. 

There are currently around 10,000 patients in with COVID in the UK.

You cannot continue to squeeze a healthcare system year, after year, after year and expect it to survive. Certainly not if you want it to be a world class one. 

The same goes for Public Health and Local Government. 

Its not a popular opinion on here. But these services need long term, sustained funding - that can only realistically happen by raising taxes. Barring an economic miracle which looks increasingly unlikely and/or borrowing more money. 

Right now - we are all being bitten on the arse for years of underfunding. 

It's often argued that the NHS is woefully mismanaged

Do you know the spend per capita in the UK, v say Germany?

[kent_white]

3 minutes ago, Casino said:

It's often argued that the NHS is woefully mismanaged

Do you know the spend per capita in the UK, v say Germany?

Roughly we spend £2,500 pc - Germany spend about £4,400 pc I think? And France aren't far behind. 

The NHS is an enormous beast. Parts of it are wonderfully managed. Others less so. I imagine that's similar in France and Germany. Or wherever you go.

But having seen it from the inside - I think the NHS is managed pretty well at a senior level. I still think there should be a cross party strategy though - and less ripping up and starting again every 4 years or so.....

 

 

[Guest]

14 minutes ago, kent_white said:

Reading some really interesting statistics about hospital beds in the UK and how they've declined over time.

In 2008 we had just over 205,000. By the start of the pandemic this had decreased to just over 165,000. There has been a gradual decline year on year.

This is for a country with an ageing population which has increased in size during the same period. 

By way of comparison - Germany has just over 657,000 hospital beds, and France just over 390,000.

A lot of our remaining 165,000 beds cannot currently be used - this is to prevent the spread of COVID inside hospitals. 

There are currently around 10,000 patients in with COVID in the UK.

You cannot continue to squeeze a healthcare system year, after year, after year and expect it to survive. Certainly not if you want it to be a world class one. 

The same goes for Public Health and Local Government. 

Its not a popular opinion on here. But these services need long term, sustained funding - that can only realistically happen by raising taxes. Barring an economic miracle which looks increasingly unlikely and/or borrowing more money. 

Right now - we are all being bitten on the arse for years of underfunding. 

How much would be “fully funded”?

[kent_white]

Just now, boltondiver said:

How much would be “fully funded”?

It depends on what the NHS is being asked to do.....

If you're asking it to do more and more (which we are) then you should expect to have to pay more and more for it. 

If you want standards to improve - then you're going to pay for that too. Infrastructure, estates, workforce. 

I don't know if you've been up to RBH recently - but the main entrance as you walk in looks like a modern, well equipped hospital. 

The remainder hasn't even been redecorated since about 1985 because there is literally no money to spend on it. And believe me every last penny is scrutinised........! 

[Ani]

34 minutes ago, MickyD said:

Which is only a dozen over the daily death rate for car crashes. 
 

Average weekly influenza deaths in England and Wales between 200 and 480.

Time to crack on and do what your comfortable with. If you want to wear a mask, wear one. 

I personally hate wearing a mask but if they made the norm for people to wear one in supermarkets I would not have a problem, if the average death rate from flu is as high as you say surely it would help bring that down too. 

[kent_white]

By the way - I'm not just blaming the Tories for this. We need to invest more as a country if we want this standard of care. 

I love you lot. I want the best for you and your family and for mine too. 

I think in general - we are doing as best as we possibly can - but we're not doing the best possible, if that makes sense. Which is what most of us are striving for - and that can grind a workforce like ours down. Over time. Drip, drip, drip! 

[Guest]

Just now, kent_white said:

It depends on what the NHS is being asked to do.....

If you're asking it to do more and more (which we are) then you should expect to have to pay more and more for it. 

If you want standards to improve - then you're going to pay for that too. Infrastructure, estates, workforce. 

I don't know if you've been up to RBH recently - but the main entrance as you walk in looks like a modern, well equipped hospital. 

The remainder hasn't even been redecorated since about 1985 because there is literally no money to spend on it. And believe me every last penny is scrutinised........! 

People (politicians) always say it needs more money. Nobody ever says how much would mean fully funded.

It is a beast of an organisation, with much inefficiency, along with great qualities.

As a taxpayer, I would want a honest appraisal of it before any further significant funding. 

It might be helpful if it was a non-party appraisal, but this government has increased funding over the years.

 

[Spider]

How are we getting on with those 50,000 EXTRA nurses Boris threw into the manifesto?

 

[Guest]

1 minute ago, kent_white said:

By the way - I'm not just blaming the Tories for this. We need to invest more as a country if we want this standard of care. 

I love you lot. I want the best for you and your family and for mine too. 

I think in general - we are doing as best as we possibly can - but we're not doing the best possible, if that makes sense. Which is what most of us are striving for - and that can grind a workforce like ours down. Over time. Drip, drip, drip! 

I get that.

But then look at other state services; care, police, councils, education, armed forces etc etc. All deserving of “more”. 
 

 

[Rudy]

[Guest]

Just now, Spider said:

How are we getting on with those 50,000 EXTRA nurses Boris threw into the manifesto?

 

Last I heard there was more.

Getting rid of the unvaccinated wouldn’t help.

I don’t think it will happen, BTW.

 

[Spider]

Just now, boltondiver said:

Last I heard there was more.

Getting rid of the unvaccinated wouldn’t help.

I don’t think it will happen, BTW.

 

Don’t suppose you’ve got some sort of link?

Last I heard it reached 31,000 but none of them were ‘new’

[Rudy]

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