Ok fair fucks they won the league an’ all that, but tonight i had to endure a midnight train full of the turds on a train from Manc to Wigan with loads of feral scruffs singing “Bolton get battered” blah fucking blah.

They can enjoy their day in the sun, but we’re on our way back and our paths will no doubt cross again.

Karma.

Edited May 1, 20224 yr by Burndens Bogs

30 minutes ago, bwfc2003 said:

Agree totally - dont have to be rivals to hate the bastards - growing up in the 60s/70s it became ingrained 

Started off at primary school  in the late sixties for me too, carried on to secondary. it was constant piss taking from supposedly Bolton people. Well into my sixties I should be over it by now, but only have to see a red shirt to bring back those memories. Even now it makes my blood boil. I still can't understand why if you were born in Bolton why you would go elsewhere to support another team and form a rivalry with your home town team.

When i first started to realise what football teams were about we were old div 3 about 72, i went home one day and asked my dad was Chelsea our team?, Very puzzled he says no why?

I explained that a lad at my primary school has a football bag says Chelsea on it.

Next night i get home there is the exact bag with a lot more letters on it 

Bolton Wanderers, had that bag all through primary school.

4 hours ago, Zico said:

You can hate who you want, it doesn't make them a rival 

For a club like us, football rivalry comes and goes 

In my time since watching in the 90s, there was a thing for a while with Tranmere and Wolves 

Us and Wigan have been at the same level near enough competing for the same thing for 20 years and being next door there'll always be a local rivalry  

And in recent years it's definitely become more intense and focussed 

I'm all for it 

following on from that, feels like we've played them loads since they got promoted to the PL so had a look back

in last 18 years since they got promoted alongside us in 2005, we've played them 27 times - W7, D10, L10

prior to that, we hadn't played them since 1993 so not surprised fans of a certain age won't consider them a rival

assumed from the way 80s fans go on that we barely played them then but in 10 years from 83 to 93 we played them 23 times - W10, D4, L9

 

and never played them before 83

W17 D14 L19

so need to win twice this season to level things up before we hopefully don't see them again for a while

58 minutes ago, Zico said:

following on from that, feels like we've played them loads since they got promoted to the PL so had a look back

in last 18 years since they got promoted alongside us in 2005, we've played them 27 times - W7, D10, L10

prior to that, we hadn't played them since 1993 so not surprised fans of a certain age won't consider them a rival

assumed from the way 80s fans go on that we barely played them then but in 10 years from 83 to 93 we played them 23 times - W10, D4, L9

 

and never played them before 83

W17 D14 L19

so need to win twice this season to level things up before we hopefully don't see them again for a while

Could do with an fa cup game before we move away from them to put us ahead in wins

2 hours ago, bwfc2003 said:

Could do with an fa cup game before we move away from them to put us ahead in wins

and an EFL cup game.....................................................oh hang on... 

5 hours ago, BWFC_LOVE said:

 

 

Only a matter of time before we get an adoption of the arsenal chant

What do you think of Wigan/Bolton?

Shit!

What do you think of shit?

Etc

The great rivalry debate is in full force I again I see. 

I don't get folk who say our hate for United is embarrassing. Everybody hates them because their fans are the most arrogant specimens walking the face of the planet. Why more for us? Well its fair to say that the club most fans hate is the one nearest to the one they support. Look on a map for where Burnden was - Old Trafford is the nearest football league ground. It's not rocket science. Clearly the younger end of our support base doesn't feel it quite the same. Things evolve.

Wigan seem to have achieved their lifelong ambition of making us dislike/notice them. As others have said if the status quo resumes and we get consistently a league or two above them that'll fade too. 

Blackburn/PNE/Burnley - all in the same bracket. Not intense rivals but very feisty when we play them and a bad day if we lose to them. 

We know Bury hate us. Not everybody knows that Blackpool do, second only to PNE. I hope we nail Blackpool twice this season too. 

Nobody ever lobs City, Oldham, Rochdale or Stockport in to these conversations. No surprises. But without the huge concentration of football clubs in our area one or more of them probably would be rivals. 

Wolves? There was a phase in the 90s when we played them a lot and there was needle. Couldn't give a toss about them now. They're a big midlands club with a loyal, massive fan base, good luck to em except when they play us.

Tranmere? Just dog shit and not worth thinking about other than when we play them.

Edited August 18, 20232 yr by paulhanley

1 hour ago, Mantra said:

Only a matter of time before we get an adoption of the arsenal chant

What do you think of Wigan/Bolton?

Shit!

What do you think of shit?

Etc

Kids at the front at Cheltenham were chanting that; most of them about 10 year olds

1 hour ago, Mantra said:

Only a matter of time before we get an adoption of the arsenal chant

What do you think of Wigan/Bolton?

Shit!

What do you think of shit?

Etc

An improvement on the 'New Chant' thread proposals tbh.

9 hours ago, Not in Crawley said:

Well, last week I was at a meeting in Wigan, afterwards got changed into my running gear and had a Bolton training top on. Some bloke stopped me and we had a chat, he complained his grandkids were all Bolton fans despite being born in Wigan, had a quick chat about the league cup games that had just been played, shook hands and wished each other the best for the season. 

All in all, a very pleasant exchange.

Why do I read this in the voice of Alan Bennett? 🙂

rivalry needs to work both ways 

united don't give 2 fucks about us 

I reckon we're mostly hated by Wigan followed by Blackpool 

1 hour ago, Mantra said:

Only a matter of time before we get an adoption of the arsenal chant

What do you think of Wigan/Bolton?

Shit!

What do you think of shit?

Etc

That's been going on for a few year, annit?

1 minute ago, Lt. Aldo Raine said:

That's been going on for a few year, annit?

Yes it has.

Another one that doesn’t float my boat. 

Embarrased the fuck out of my kids at Cheltenham when it went up, “What do you think of Wigan” “Irrelevant”

2 minutes ago, desperado said:

Yes it has.

Another one that doesn’t float my boat. 

Embarrased the fuck out of my kids at Cheltenham when it went up, “What do you think of Wigan” “Irrelevant”

Yeah, I'm not keen either

1 hour ago, paulhanley said:

Nobody ever lobs City, Oldham, Rochdale or Stockport in to these conversations.

 

This is a funny one. I could not give any less of a fuck about Oldham, and have never encountered a Wanderer that mentions them.
Yet they bizarrely seem to score high from some fan censuses online as rivals of ours.

Also on our Wikipedia:-

Bolton fans also maintain a mutual dislike with the fans of nearby Burnley, Oldham Athletic, Tranmere Rovers and the more distant Wolverhampton Wanderers.

According to a survey conducted in August 2019 entitled 'The League of Love and Hate', Bolton supporters named Manchester United, Blackburn Rovers, Wigan Athletic, Oldham Athletic and Bury as their biggest rivals.”

Odd. 

2 minutes ago, BWFC_LOVE said:

This is a funny one. I could not give any less of a fuck about Oldham, and have never encountered a Wanderer that mentions them.
Yet they bizarrely seem to score high from some fan censuses online as rivals of ours.

Also on our Wikipedia:-

Bolton fans also maintain a mutual dislike with the fans of nearby Burnley, Oldham Athletic, Tranmere Rovers and the more distant Wolverhampton Wanderers.

According to a survey conducted in August 2019 entitled 'The League of Love and Hate', Bolton supporters named Manchester United, Blackburn Rovers, Wigan Athletic, Oldham Athletic and Bury as their biggest rivals.”

Odd. 

The inclusion of Oldham on that list makes me think it's made up! The closest they came to registering was in the 70s when we played them loads with our away support frightening them to death at Boundary Park every season. Then obviously after that Quarter Final in 94

There was an Oldham lad  (Carl Spiers?) who wrote a book about Oldham's "exploits" in the 70s. Hating but respecting our support at its 70s peak is a big feature. A lot of Bolton tales in that book.

6 minutes ago, paulhanley said:

The inclusion of Oldham on that list makes me think it's made up! The closest they came to registering was in the 70s when we played them loads with our away support frightening them to death at Boundary Park every season. Then obviously after that Quarter Final in 94

There was an Oldham lad  (Carl Spiers?) who wrote a book about Oldham's "exploits" in the 70s. Hating but respecting our support at its 70s peak is a big feature. A lot of Bolton tales in that book.

Carl is a good mate to a lot of Bolton lads, he comes over to Bolton and turns out with some of the older lads, he is a great Northern Soul /Motown DJ, we have had him on Colls on a couple of occasions and he DJ'd at a recent BWRG event

7 minutes ago, paulhanley said:

The inclusion of Oldham on that list makes me think it's made up! The closest they came to registering was in the 70s when we played them loads with our away support frightening them to death at Boundary Park every season. Then obviously after that Quarter Final in 94

There was an Oldham lad  (Carl Spiers?) who wrote a book about Oldham's "exploits" in the 70s. Hating but respecting our support at its 70s peak is a big feature. A lot of Bolton tales in that book.

He knocks about with FD and some of the old lever Enders

1 minute ago, bwfc2003 said:

He knocks about with FD and some of the old lever Enders

He does

2 minutes ago, athywhite1958 said:

Carl is a good mate to a lot of Bolton lads, he comes over to Bolton and turns out with some of the older lads, he is a great Northern Soul /Motown DJ, we have had him on Colls on a couple of occasions and he DJ'd at a recent BWRG event

Sounds like the years have mellowed the lad! 

 

2 minutes ago, bwfc2003 said:

He knocks about with FD and some of the old lever Enders

Sounds right. That's exactly his era and FD would have been a contemporary. In fact (if memory serves) FD gets referenced in his book. Not by name but you can tell who he's on about.

1 minute ago, paulhanley said:

Sounds right. That's exactly his era and FD would have been a contemporary. In fact (if memory serves) FD gets referenced in his book. Not by name but you can tell who he's on about.

His books are quite a good read

2 hours ago, paulhanley said:

The inclusion of Oldham on that list makes me think it's made up! The closest they came to registering was in the 70s when we played them loads with our away support frightening them to death at Boundary Park every season. Then obviously after that Quarter Final in 94

There was an Oldham lad  (Carl Spiers?) who wrote a book about Oldham's "exploits" in the 70s. Hating but respecting our support at its 70s peak is a big feature. A lot of Bolton tales in that book.

Oldham is the nearest ground to me just shading the shittyhat

They detest us. Make no mistake. Used to play darts on a Thursday night in a Massives pub near here with a few of their bucket-shaking types (sorry, Supporters Trust obvs) and they would get quite nasty. It’s where my loathing of The Massives began who egged them on to hate us. This was around the time of the Richard Dunne handball, the Anelka double, etc

Fuck the yonners, fuck the Massives

Without wanting to keep going round in circles, I'm envious of the folk who do class today as their main rivals and there are plenty of them.

I can't wait to get back to playing Blackburn. Love and hate that fixture in equal measures. 

Many years I've hated Blackburn Rovers, many years I've hated blue and white.

9 hours ago, athywhite1958 said:

His books are quite a good read

Always found him to be a bit of a self obsessed weirdo