Brand Evatt

[desperado]

I do understand what you are saying.

But does “aggressive, vitriolic and personal” not cover it?

If my example above is the type of comments we are dealing with, do you not understand why that’s not going to be made public? 

[Farnywhite]

I’ve not personally heard any abuse at the games didn’t go to burton though . Wigan at home there was nothing . Online abuse well evatt said the players should stay off it the other season . 
I can’t see it being anywhere the levels in the past say when megson , Lennon ,hill etc were here and it’s probably no different than most clubs . 
All I can say is if they think it’s bad now then if we drop down a few places after the promises of aiming for automatic in the summer they will all have to grow crocodile skin 

[SatanGreavsie]

41 minutes ago, RUREADY2ROLL said:

I was in the seats and heard nothing that you could call abuse. I shouted once ‘Evatt stop these short corners’ but doubt he will listen to the fans

Seats as well here, right at the very end at the corner with the terrace. Heard nowt terrifyingly bad even though a few did voice issues with some, it was in response to genuinely poor play and just in the heat of the moment. Negativity didn't go over the top and was understandable due to the frustration building on the Wigan debacle. I wouldn't have heard anything said by the dugout though.

Trouble is, where's the fine line? If someone has had a chance to calm down, well after the game, but still posts abuse on twatter - well I've less sympathy but even then, what's the line in the sand?

[radcliffe white]

Some of IE conduct on the sidelines has been aggressive to say the least, now I’m not comparing personal abuse to this but thought he was made of tougher stuff 

[Marc505]

6 minutes ago, desperado said:

I do understand what you are saying.

But does “aggressive, vitriolic and personal” not cover it?

If my example above is the type of comments we are dealing with, do you not understand why that’s not going to be made public? 

I would suggest that unfortunately for some people it's going to need spelling out, explicitly if need be.

For me personally I usually find in life that the "don't be a dick" barometer works. I'm just interested to see where the line drawn by the club is.

[Cheese]

2 minutes ago, radcliffe white said:

Some of IE conduct on the sidelines has been aggressive to say the least, now I’m not comparing personal abuse to this but thought he was made of tougher stuff 

Such as?

[radcliffe white]

3 minutes ago, Cheese said:

Such as?

Plenty and you know this

Been given cards in the past for outbursts, you could hear him in the lockdown games getting high rate and kicking off 

[jeep]

1 hour ago, radcliffe white said:

What’s your mate called from little lever way? 

DM sent....

[jeep]

1 hour ago, captainmed said:

We are no better or no worse than any other football club of our size.

100% fact. 

 

 

 

How would you know that, do you attend other clubs games?

 

[SatanGreavsie]

13 minutes ago, Marc505 said:

I would suggest that unfortunately for some people it's going to need spelling out, explicitly if need be.

For me personally I usually find in life that the "don't be a dick" barometer works. I'm just interested to see where the line drawn by the club is.

The last point is key. I mean in the heat of battle the players themselves will be giving opposition verbals (if you're on the receiving end of a crunching foul I doubt the response will be "I say old chap, that was a tad uncalled for") and for that matter giving their teammates serious grief for not passing for a simple tap in. If the crowd is unfairly picking on a player and destroying his confidence then it's up the manager to spell that out (and in the process not further ruining confidence by calling him out).

So what was said, and can be said, is key. Obviously there are forms of abuse that are beyond the pale. We all know that (probably including those that do it). On the other hand, if it's somewhat OTT but based on frustration then should it get under their skin? If you lose your rag at it, do you complain to higher powers just because you're annoyed with yourself at losing it? I don't know, because I don't know the gist of what was said.

If it's on twitter or X or whatever it's called this week, who knows who is even posting it ie who they actually even support.

[royal white]

Abuse at games has always happened and probably always will, whether you agree with it or not it’s likely to remain that way. It doesn’t help with the behaviour of some of the players and staff in games. 

Edited August 29, 2023 by royal white

[Cheese]

28 minutes ago, radcliffe white said:

Plenty and you know this

Been given cards in the past for outbursts, you could hear him in the lockdown games getting high rate and kicking off 

But what was the nature of these "outbursts"? If you're saying a manager remonstrating with the referee/4th official about a decision they've made is the same as a spectator hurling abuse and insults at individual players, you're being disingenuous at best.

[Marc505]

1 minute ago, Cheese said:

But what was the nature of these "outbursts"? If you're saying a manager remonstrating with the referee/4th official about a decision they've made is the same as a spectator hurling abuse and insults at individual players, you're being disingenuous at best.

Come on the guy is like a chained up guard dog at times the way he goes on at officials, surely you've seen this?! Port Vale away last season one off top of my head. There will be fans who see that and follow suit.

[radcliffe white]

3 minutes ago, Cheese said:

But what was the nature of these "outbursts"? If you're saying a manager remonstrating with the referee/4th official about a decision they've made is the same as a spectator hurling abuse and insults at individual players, you're being disingenuous at best.

Read my original post back

i said that wasn’t comparing it

just pointing out that mr evatt can be aggressive at times himself 

 

[Cheese]

3 minutes ago, Marc505 said:

Come on the guy is like a chained up guard dog at times the way he goes on at officials, surely you've seen this?! Port Vale away last season one off top of my head. There will be fans who see that and follow suit.

So a fan sees a manager remonstrating with the 4th official, and sees that as a green light to abuse his teams players/staff? What a load of bollocks.

[Marc505]

Just now, Cheese said:

So a fan sees a manager remonstrating with the 4th official, and sees that as a green light to abuse his teams players/staff? What a load of bollocks.

Not saying I agree with it, but there's plenty who would see their team's manager being abrasive, combative, aggressive on the touchline and be emboldened by it to act the same way on the terrace.

[Cheese]

8 minutes ago, Marc505 said:

Not saying I agree with it, but there's plenty who would see their team's manager being abrasive, combative, aggressive on the touchline and be emboldened by it to act the same way on the terrace.

Maybe you're right and I'm being naive. Surely there's nobody THAT thick?

[RUREADY2ROLL]

1 hour ago, Cheese said:

🤦‍♂️

Wont listen 😂 

[Marc505]

6 minutes ago, Cheese said:

Maybe you're right and I'm being naive. Surely there's nobody THAT thick?

👀

Anyway, who knows, Iles or the club's in house media team might get Evatt to elaborate on what's caused all this ruckus tonight before or after the game so we can add a bit more context to it all.

[royal white]

31 minutes ago, Cheese said:

So a fan sees a manager remonstrating with the 4th official, and sees that as a green light to abuse his teams players/staff? What a load of bollocks.

Are you saying it’s ok for IE to have these regular outbursts at opposition players and officials? 

[royal white]

This is the way forward! 
 

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-12080733/amp/AC-Milan-players-apologise-ultras-following-heated-confrontation-time-Spezia-defeat.html

[Tonge moor green jacket]

3 hours ago, jeep said:

Does that make it okay then?

Didn't day it did, so why the pointed question?

It's a societal issue and one that isn't going to be easy to fix without total cooperation from clubs, police, fans etc. Just like the anti racism stance.

[ianofcleveleys]

I'm not sure the sort of folk who think it's all right to give out the sort of abuse that's being intimated in Sharon's piece would need Evatt giving a bit to a 4th official to embolden them. A gallon of ale en route and a snort of something before kick off are more than enough fuel. They'll think nothing of giving it out as they're in a crowd and don't think anything will be done. 

We live in a culture where workers in places like Sainsbury's or Wetherspoons have to wear body worn video to capture evidence of the abuse and threats they get. Fire officers get abused and bricks thrown at them when trying to put fires out. Anyone in any sort of enforcement role runs risk of verbal and physical assault every day of the week.

Behaviour inside and around grounds has deteriorated badly since the return after Covid, we are one of those clubs leading the race to the bottom in that regard, others such as Burnley look to have similar individuals in their midst. 

The whole issue of 'vocal backing' has become a tricky one for clubs, 'lets make it a cauldron at home' 'lets back the boys in voice away' but football support has become so bipolar lately it can flip from over the top good to over the top bad match to match

[Tonge moor green jacket]

Absolutely. 

The covid thing is also something I've spoken about, and is bizarre. 

[Ros Coe]

6 hours ago, royal white said:

This is what happens when flat dicks get involved in the beautiful game! No kissing when winning no abuse when losing. 

Neanderthal