tomski Posted October 23, 2023 Share Posted October 23, 2023 1 minute ago, Zico said: We're a bit goal shy relatively speaking And to think Utd are in turmoil What does it look like if you exclude last season? More relevant. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Site Supporter Tonge moor green jacket Posted October 23, 2023 Site Supporter Share Posted October 23, 2023 3 minutes ago, Zico said: We're a bit goal shy relatively speaking And to think Utd are in turmoil What does it look like if you exclude last season? Precisely. Tottenham could go top shortly, and aren't on the list. Doubt they give a toss about last season's form. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators Zico Posted October 23, 2023 Moderators Share Posted October 23, 2023 37 minutes ago, Tonge moor green jacket said: Precisely. Tottenham could go top shortly, and aren't on the list. Doubt they give a toss about last season's form. Neither are Stockport and they've got 6 more points than us and top league two Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Lt. Aldo Raine Posted October 23, 2023 Members Share Posted October 23, 2023 Yeah, twenty matches is an odd cut-off when it covers more than one season Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Site Supporter Tonge moor green jacket Posted October 23, 2023 Site Supporter Share Posted October 23, 2023 A but like when a football programme looks to highlight a club's form, whichever way: " .... have won/lost just once in the last 5 games..." which undoubtedly means the lost/won at least the one before. We still top the possession stats this season too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Site Supporter desperado Posted October 25, 2023 Author Site Supporter Share Posted October 25, 2023 Ian Evatt tonight took charge of his 182nd Bolton game - bringing him level with both Bruce Rioch and Colin Todd. Evatt's 91 victories gives him a 50% return, which is the highest of any Wanderers manager (min 50 games). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tomski Posted October 25, 2023 Share Posted October 25, 2023 45 minutes ago, desperado said: Ian Evatt tonight took charge of his 182nd Bolton game - bringing him level with both Bruce Rioch and Colin Todd. Evatt's 91 victories gives him a 50% return, which is the highest of any Wanderers manager (min 50 games). For context though, at the lowest level? Must be along with Neal Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators Casino Posted October 25, 2023 Moderators Share Posted October 25, 2023 5 minutes ago, tomski said: For context though, at the lowest level? Must be along with Neal for additional context, he cant beat teams we dont play against Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Site Supporter desperado Posted October 25, 2023 Author Site Supporter Share Posted October 25, 2023 18 minutes ago, tomski said: For context though, at the lowest level? Must be along with Neal Phil Neal 37.61% Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators Casino Posted October 25, 2023 Moderators Share Posted October 25, 2023 thinking back to the first season, is tutte still at the club? fuck me we had some dross and remembering how he had it wrong when he got shut of the likes of hickman and taft etc Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
masi 51 Posted October 25, 2023 Share Posted October 25, 2023 Better from Evatt last night got team selection right even if it was round pegs in square holes Bit stronger in Midfield with Paris.....long may it continue Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johnnyrotten Posted October 25, 2023 Share Posted October 25, 2023 (edited) 1 hour ago, Casino said: thinking back to the first season, is tutte still at the club? fuck me we had some dross and remembering how he had it wrong when he got shut of the likes of hickman and taft etc Yes, player-coach for the B team. We definitely had some dross, Tutte wasn't one of those IMO (nobody has to agree), I thought he was consistent, didn't give up possession easily, and an organiser. Played over 100 games at L1 level and many more at L2, he wasn't plucked from nowhere like many in the L2 days. Edited October 25, 2023 by Johnnyrotten Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Site Supporter Tonge moor green jacket Posted October 25, 2023 Site Supporter Share Posted October 25, 2023 Tutte was fine. Solid pro. Bad injury iirc. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators Casino Posted October 25, 2023 Moderators Share Posted October 25, 2023 59 minutes ago, Johnnyrotten said: Yes, player-coach for the B team. We definitely had some dross, Tutte wasn't one of those IMO (nobody has to agree), I thought he was consistent, didn't give up possession easily, and an organiser. Played over 100 games at L1 level and many more at L2, he wasn't plucked from nowhere like many in the L2 days. My dross comment wasnt aimed at tutte Ive mentioned before, cheltenham away, greenidge was left back so needed to take throws Senior spent the warm up teaching him Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Lt. Aldo Raine Posted October 25, 2023 Members Share Posted October 25, 2023 3 hours ago, desperado said: Ian Evatt tonight took charge of his 182nd Bolton game - bringing him level with both Bruce Rioch and Colin Todd. Evatt's 91 victories gives him a 50% return, which is the highest of any Wanderers manager (min 50 games). A good record but as a statistic managerial win percentage is heavily dependent on context Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators Casino Posted October 25, 2023 Moderators Share Posted October 25, 2023 3 minutes ago, Lt. Aldo Raine said: A good record but as a statistic managerial win percentage is heavily dependent on context Course it is and so long as we dont discount inheriting a right shit show, im all for context I prefer ppg anyway Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tomski Posted October 25, 2023 Share Posted October 25, 2023 3 hours ago, Casino said: for additional context, he cant beat teams in the bottom 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gonzo Posted October 25, 2023 Share Posted October 25, 2023 17 minutes ago, Casino said: Course it is and so long as we dont discount inheriting a right shit show, im all for context I prefer ppg anyway I just wish someone could invent some kind of league table system that we could track our progress under managers properly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Lt. Aldo Raine Posted October 25, 2023 Members Share Posted October 25, 2023 31 minutes ago, Casino said: Course it is and so long as we dont discount inheriting a right shit show, im all for context I prefer ppg anyway It wasn't a point about Evatt really It's just a bug bear of mine when people (not @desperado) use it without taking into consideration budgtes, state of the club, injuries, etc. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johnnyrotten Posted October 25, 2023 Share Posted October 25, 2023 1 hour ago, Casino said: My dross comment wasnt aimed at tutte Ive mentioned before, cheltenham away, greenidge was left back so needed to take throws Senior spent the warm up teaching him Fair enough. Yes Greenidge was out on his own, currently at Maidstone in National League South. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Site Supporter desperado Posted October 25, 2023 Author Site Supporter Share Posted October 25, 2023 14 minutes ago, Lt. Aldo Raine said: It wasn't a point about Evatt really It's just a bug bear of mine when people (not @desperado) use it without taking into consideration budgtes, state of the club, injuries, etc. I agree with you. The tweet I got it from mentions Rioch and Todd, but it’s not really comparable in that context, as they were doing it a division or two higher. Neals 37% is a good comparison. Also within the context of the 4 year progress stats I put on the Charlton thread. And of course as @Casino pointed out the fact that Evatt was picking up a shit show with virtually zero resources in place. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators Casino Posted October 25, 2023 Moderators Share Posted October 25, 2023 34 minutes ago, tomski said: Some effort being 4th then when hes previously been accused of not being able to beat top teams and i keep reading we have had an easy start Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators Casino Posted October 25, 2023 Moderators Share Posted October 25, 2023 Bearing un mind we lost 2 of last seasons best players and we are now doing it with our own, on the back of 2 shit windows, its really quite remarkable that such a stubborn, one dimensional manager with no plan B has us in such a decent position Im dumbfounded, tbh Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tomski Posted October 25, 2023 Share Posted October 25, 2023 He’s a colossus no doubt. if we played 45 mins a match he’d be one of the best out there. if his job was too finish 4th by Oct 26th I’d agree he’s up there. Nothing would please me more but he’ll not get us up. Im beyond the point of debating now as it’s waste of peoples time convincing me. Prove me wrong Ian. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Farnywhite Posted October 25, 2023 Share Posted October 25, 2023 (edited) 44 minutes ago, Casino said: Some effort being 4th then when hes previously been accused of not being able to beat top teams and i keep reading we have had an easy start Only top sides I would say we have had played and beat are derby and Wycombe. We have had an easy start compared to what’s coming up including last night 8 away 9 if they fit the barnsley game in and only 4 at home this side of Xmas with both the top 2 away . we have played all the bottom 6 sides loosing 3 of them . so yes a easy start to what’s coming up Edited October 25, 2023 by Farnywhite Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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