Brand Evatt

[tomski]

1 minute ago, Zico said:

We're a bit goal shy relatively speaking 

And to think Utd are in turmoil  

What does it look like if you exclude last season?

More relevant.

[Tonge moor green jacket]

3 minutes ago, Zico said:

We're a bit goal shy relatively speaking 

And to think Utd are in turmoil  

What does it look like if you exclude last season?

Precisely.

Tottenham could go top shortly, and aren't on the list.

Doubt they give a toss about last season's form.

[Zico]

37 minutes ago, Tonge moor green jacket said:

Precisely.

Tottenham could go top shortly, and aren't on the list.

Doubt they give a toss about last season's form.

Neither are Stockport and they've got 6 more points than us and top league two  

 

[Lt. Aldo Raine]

Yeah, twenty matches is an odd cut-off when it covers more than one season

[Tonge moor green jacket]

A but like when a football programme looks to highlight a club's form, whichever way:

" .... have won/lost just once in the last 5 games..." which undoubtedly means the lost/won at least the one before.

We still top the possession stats this season too.

[desperado]

Ian Evatt tonight took charge of his 182nd Bolton game - bringing him level with both Bruce Rioch and Colin Todd.

Evatt's 91 victories gives him a 50% return, which is the highest of any Wanderers manager (min 50 games).

[tomski]

45 minutes ago, desperado said:

Ian Evatt tonight took charge of his 182nd Bolton game - bringing him level with both Bruce Rioch and Colin Todd.

Evatt's 91 victories gives him a 50% return, which is the highest of any Wanderers manager (min 50 games).

For context though, at the lowest level? Must be along with Neal

[Casino]

5 minutes ago, tomski said:

For context though, at the lowest level? Must be along with Neal

for additional context, he cant beat teams we dont play against

[desperado]

18 minutes ago, tomski said:

For context though, at the lowest level? Must be along with Neal

Phil Neal

37.61%

[Casino]

thinking back to the first season, is tutte still at the club?

fuck me we had some dross

and remembering how he had it wrong when he got shut of the likes of hickman and taft etc 

[masi 51]

Better from Evatt last night got team selection right even if it was round pegs in square holes

Bit stronger in Midfield with Paris.....long may it continue

[Johnnyrotten]

1 hour ago, Casino said:

thinking back to the first season, is tutte still at the club?

fuck me we had some dross

and remembering how he had it wrong when he got shut of the likes of hickman and taft etc 

Yes, player-coach for the B team.

We definitely had some dross, Tutte wasn't one of those IMO (nobody has to agree), I thought he was consistent, didn't give up possession easily, and an organiser.  Played over 100 games at L1 level and many more at L2, he wasn't plucked from nowhere like many in the L2 days.

Edited October 25, 2023 by Johnnyrotten

[Tonge moor green jacket]

Tutte was fine.

Solid pro.

Bad injury iirc.

[Casino]

59 minutes ago, Johnnyrotten said:

Yes, player-coach for the B team.

We definitely had some dross, Tutte wasn't one of those IMO (nobody has to agree), I thought he was consistent, didn't give up possession easily, and an organiser.  Played over 100 games at L1 level and many more at L2, he wasn't plucked from nowhere like many in the L2 days.

My dross comment wasnt aimed at tutte

Ive mentioned before, cheltenham away, greenidge was left back so needed to take throws

Senior spent the warm up teaching him

[Lt. Aldo Raine]

3 hours ago, desperado said:

Ian Evatt tonight took charge of his 182nd Bolton game - bringing him level with both Bruce Rioch and Colin Todd.

Evatt's 91 victories gives him a 50% return, which is the highest of any Wanderers manager (min 50 games).

A good record but as a statistic managerial win percentage is heavily dependent on context

[Casino]

3 minutes ago, Lt. Aldo Raine said:

A good record but as a statistic managerial win percentage is heavily dependent on context

Course it is and so long as we dont discount inheriting a right shit show, im all for context

I prefer ppg anyway

[tomski]

3 hours ago, Casino said:

for additional context, he cant beat teams in the bottom 6

 

[gonzo]

17 minutes ago, Casino said:

Course it is and so long as we dont discount inheriting a right shit show, im all for context

I prefer ppg anyway

 I just wish someone could invent some kind of league table system that we could track our progress under managers properly.

[Lt. Aldo Raine]

31 minutes ago, Casino said:

Course it is and so long as we dont discount inheriting a right shit show, im all for context

I prefer ppg anyway

It wasn't a point about Evatt really

It's just a bug bear of mine when people (not @desperado) use it without taking into consideration budgtes, state of the club, injuries, etc.

[Johnnyrotten]

1 hour ago, Casino said:

My dross comment wasnt aimed at tutte

Ive mentioned before, cheltenham away, greenidge was left back so needed to take throws

Senior spent the warm up teaching him

Fair enough.

Yes Greenidge was out on his own, currently at Maidstone in National League South.

[desperado]

14 minutes ago, Lt. Aldo Raine said:

It wasn't a point about Evatt really

It's just a bug bear of mine when people (not @desperado) use it without taking into consideration budgtes, state of the club, injuries, etc.

I agree with you.

The tweet I got it from mentions Rioch and Todd, but it’s not really comparable in that context, as they were doing it a division or two higher.

Neals 37% is a good comparison.

Also within the context of the 4 year progress stats I put on the Charlton thread. And of course as @Casino pointed out the fact that Evatt was picking up a shit show with virtually zero resources in place. 

[Casino]

34 minutes ago, tomski said:

 

Some effort being 4th then when hes previously been accused of not being able to beat top teams and i keep reading we have had an easy start

[Casino]

Bearing un mind we lost 2 of last seasons best players and we are now doing it with our own, on the back of 2 shit windows, its really quite remarkable that such  a stubborn, one dimensional manager with no plan B has us in such a decent position

Im dumbfounded, tbh

[tomski]

He’s a colossus no doubt. 
 

if we played 45 mins a match he’d be one of the best out there.

if his job was too finish 4th by Oct 26th I’d agree he’s up there.

Nothing would please me more but he’ll not get us up.

Im beyond the point of debating now as it’s waste of peoples time convincing me.

Prove me wrong Ian.

[Farnywhite]

44 minutes ago, Casino said:

Some effort being 4th then when hes previously been accused of not being able to beat top teams and i keep reading we have had an easy start

Only top sides I would say we have had played and beat are derby and Wycombe.
We have had an easy start compared to what’s coming up including last night 8 away 9 if they fit the barnsley game in and only 4 at home this side of Xmas with both the top 2 away .
we have played all the bottom 6 sides  loosing 3 of them . 
so yes a easy start to what’s coming up 

Edited October 25, 2023 by Farnywhite