Meanwhile In England

[Winchester White]

1 hour ago, Dimron said:

Baroness Falkner of Margravine (herself a Muslim) has today said she was "utterly dismayed" by the "deafening silence" of the Muslim communities regarding one of their own committing such acts.

So fucking what? That's her opinion. It makes mine no less valid.

It used to be blacks or Irish, then single parents, then Polish workers, then students and now anyone brown it seems regardless of how they arrived here.

The problem is folk wonder why foreign conflicts might impact at us at home and a frankly very British sense of entitlement. We are reaping what we have soed from our empire.

 

Edited May 2 by Winchester White
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[Lt. Aldo Raine]

1 minute ago, Winchester White said:

We are reaping what we have soed from our empire.

We're not

We're experiencing the consequences of the political choice to pursue multiculturalism

It can be argued that there are benefits to multiculturalism or even that it is in itself a good thing, but ethnic, national, religious violence playing out on British streets as a reaction to conflicts elsewhere is a consequence

The behaviour of British people at the "protests" outside hotels housing asylum seekers is also a consequence

And again, I mean multiculturalism as a political philosophy not simply having people of other ethnicities, religions, cultures, etc. as citizens alongside the British population

[Winchester White]

5 minutes ago, Lt. Aldo Raine said:

We're not

We're experiencing the consequences of the political choice to pursue multiculturalism

It can be argued that there are benefits to multiculturalism or even that it is in itself a good thing, but ethnic, national, religious violence playing out on British streets as a reaction to conflicts elsewhere is a consequence

The behaviour of British people at the "protests" outside hotels housing asylum seekers is also a consequence

And again, I mean multiculturalism as a political philosophy not simply having people of other ethnicities, religions, cultures, etc. as citizens alongside the British population

I agree but also disagree.

There was no political choice to pursue multiculturalism, that is a complete nonsense.

After WW2 we allowed a huge influx of commonwealth folk to restore our country, we needed to do so. Yet they were treated like shite by our own population. And they did their best to work and contribute.

[deeane Koontz]

 

[Lt. Aldo Raine]

3 minutes ago, Winchester White said:

I agree but also disagree.

There was no political choice to pursue multiculturalism, that is a complete nonsense.

After WW2 we allowed a huge influx of commonwealth folk to restore our country, we needed to do so. Yet they were treated like shite by our own population. And they did their best to work and contribute.

The Windrush generation have been treated appallingly but that's a separate matter

Although he had changed his views by the end, multiculturalism really began during, and has continued since, Blair's period as Prime Minister and I don't think that's really a disputable point

[kent_white]

2 minutes ago, Lt. Aldo Raine said:

The Windrush generation have been treated appallingly but that's a separate matter

Although he had changed his views by the end, multiculturalism really began during, and has continued since, Blair's period as Prime Minister and I don't think that's really a disputable point

Respectfully, I'm not sure I agree with that. It's been around as an idea since the 1960's. And certainly after the Brixton Riots. 

Blair governments ran with it, and expanded it. But the race relation acts were decades before New Labour. 

[Winchester White]

7 minutes ago, Lt. Aldo Raine said:

The Windrush generation have been treated appallingly but that's a separate matter

Although he had changed his views by the end, multiculturalism really began during, and has continued since, Blair's period as Prime Minister and I don't think that's really a disputable point

I suggest you revisit the amount of immigration over the last 20, 30, 40, 50 years and who was in charge. You will be surprised.

[Lt. Aldo Raine]

5 minutes ago, kent_white said:

Respectfully, I'm not sure I agree with that. It's been around as an idea since the 1960's. And certainly after the Brixton Riots. 

Blair governments ran with it, and expanded it. But the race relation acts were decades before New Labour. 

The Race Relations Act is different thing though

The bit in bold is why that was the period multiculturalism as a political philosophy began in earnest

[Lt. Aldo Raine]

13 minutes ago, Winchester White said:

I suggest you revisit the amount of immigration over the last 20, 30, 40, 50 years and who was in charge. You will be surprised.

I don't need to revisit it and I wouldn't be surprised because I'm well aware

[Traf]

2 hours ago, kent_white said:

Rupert Lowe. 

On the toilet! 🤣

What's he doing loitering round public toilets?

[Winchester White]

41 minutes ago, Lt. Aldo Raine said:

I don't need to revisit it and I wouldn't be surprised because I'm well aware

So why have you come to the conclusions that you have then?

[kent_white]

52 minutes ago, Lt. Aldo Raine said:

The Race Relations Act is different thing though

The bit in bold is why that was the period multiculturalism as a political philosophy began in earnest

Yeah, but that's splitting hairs between law and philosophy. Local councils were already running multicultural curriculums in the 80s as actual philosophy, not just following anti-discrimination rules. Blair turned it into national policy, but he didn't invent the thinking.

I think we're probably on agreement hee btw - just defining things a bit differently.

[Lt. Aldo Raine]

15 minutes ago, Winchester White said:

So why have you come to the conclusions that you have then?

I'll get back to you as I doubt either of us want to spend our Saturday night on a dry debate about political philosophies

[Lt. Aldo Raine]

30 minutes ago, kent_white said:

Yeah, but that's splitting hairs between law and philosophy. Local councils were already running multicultural curriculums in the 80s as actual philosophy, not just following anti-discrimination rules. Blair turned it into national policy, but he didn't invent the thinking.

I think we're probably on agreement hee btw - just defining things a bit differently.

For what it's worth, I didn't claim Blair invented the thinking so we do agree on the bit I've highlighted 

[kent_white]

7 minutes ago, Lt. Aldo Raine said:

For what it's worth, I didn't claim Blair invented the thinking so we do agree on the bit I've highlighted 

Perils of debating on a football forum! 😁

[Cheese]

Spot on Starmer.

 

[Spider]

21 hours ago, bolty58 said:

No. It's to do with the cuntishness of those carrying out the attacks around the world. Primitives.

One man’s primitive is another man’s hero:

“Loyalist paramilitaries in Northern Ireland, primarily the Ulster Volunteer Force (UVF) and Ulster Defence Association (UDA/UFF), killed approximately 864 civilians between 1968 and 1998, targeting Catholics”

[London Wanderer]

 

Multiculturalism hasn’t been forced on this country… Many of us don’t give a shit what colours of skin & cultures we see in our day to day & just crack on regardless . 
 

We do have a very serious problem with Islamic extremism & complete lack of control of our borders.

 You can want brave policies to address those without blaming multiculturalism. 
 

And all the bigots using these issues as an excuse to tar all Muslims & immigrants can fuck off . They’re part of the problem . 

[burnden]

Explosion at a house in Bristol 6.30 this morning , 2 dead,  bomb squad and armed plod there .

[gonzo]

10 hours ago, London Wanderer said:

 

Multiculturalism hasn’t been forced on this country… Many of us don’t give a shit what colours of skin & cultures we see in our day to day & just crack on regardless . 
 

We do have a very serious problem with Islamic extremism & complete lack of control of our borders.

 You can want brave policies to address those without blaming multiculturalism. 
 

And all the bigots using these issues as an excuse to tar all Muslims & immigrants can fuck off . They’re part of the problem . 

Post of the century and something people like Cheese need to read.

Multiculturalism in this country is what makes us a special place. We fought wars for it ffs.

The rise and spread of Islam is major issue and the boat problem even bigger. 

There's a balance and polarisation makes the situation and debate impossible.

[Lt. Aldo Raine]

We didn't fight wars for multiculturalism as it didn't come into being as a national policy until at least the seventies at the earliest

It's not the same thing as multiracialism

[RONNIE PHILLIPS]

Can we just not keep the ones we want and get rid of the ones we dont.....a kind of multi coloured swap shop?

[deeane Koontz]

While some nonces don't even get prison time. You could kill someone and serve less

 

[green genie]

1 hour ago, RONNIE PHILLIPS said:

Can we just not keep the ones we want and get rid of the ones we dont.....a kind of multi coloured swap shop?

Just the budhists please . Would like to swap for feral yoofs who think they are crips and bloods.

Edited Monday at 07:59 by green genie

[Tonge moor green jacket]

14 hours ago, gonzo said:

Post of the century and something people like Cheese need to read.

Multiculturalism in this country is what makes us a special place. We fought wars for it ffs.

The rise and spread of Islam is major issue and the boat problem even bigger. 

There's a balance and polarisation makes the situation and debate impossible.

It depends upon your interpretation of "multiculturalism".

For me, it has failed dramatically.

Not as a result of allowing a degree of immigration, but by allowing too much "culture" to be common place.

Those cultural aspects that we find abhorrent only came about around the 70s/80s. Very small initially, but accelerated like fuckery since the 90s onwards.

Accepting these, or turning a blind eye when they become apparent, just creates separation, polarisation and normalisation of extreme behaviours.

Enhancing a nation through cuisine, medicine, history etc is great.

Wrecking it through raping kids, extreme racism and a doctrine of domination, amongst others isn't great.