RONNIE PHILLIPS Posted January 15 Posted January 15 (edited) 3 hours ago, London Wanderer said: I’m not sure why you’ve started putting words in my mouth. Did the same last night. I’ve openly criticised people & institutions in the past for tiptoeing around serious issues in certain Muslim communities. Whether it be extremism, homophobia, sexism etc. It needs calling out & dealing with like it is in other sections of society. It doesn’t make me uncomfortable. WMP should have said we’re worried because radical Islamists will look to cause trouble. As we agree on though, it wasn’t the only reason. Huge problems of racism & anti Arabic rhetoric in Israeli football- which uefa are looking to investigate. This isn’t just a small number of fans. Some fanbases pride themselves on it , it’s part of their identity. Maccabi were the worst offenders last season & I stand by my comment that if they didn’t have so many racist hooligans in their midst, they wouldn’t have been banned. As WMP wouldn’t have had a leg to stand on. WMP 3 hours ago, London Wanderer said: I’m not sure why you’ve started putting words in my mouth. Did the same last night. I’ve openly criticised people & institutions in the past for tiptoeing around serious issues in certain Muslim communities. Whether it be extremism, homophobia, sexism etc. It needs calling out & dealing with like it is in other sections of society. It doesn’t make me uncomfortable. WMP should have said we’re worried because radical Islamists will look to cause trouble. As we agree on though, it wasn’t the only reason. Huge problems of racism & anti Arabic rhetoric in Israeli football- which uefa are looking to investigate. This isn’t just a small number of fans. Some fanbases pride themselves on it , it’s part of their identity. Maccabi were the worst offenders last season & I stand by my comment that if they didn’t have so many racist hooligans in their midst, they wouldn’t have been banned. As WMP wouldn’t have had a leg to stand on. Because everytime it was mentioned that possibly the Maccabi fans werent the real issue you insisted they were.......WMP can police Villa v Brum and theres far more threat of violence involved there......the missing ingredient was always the local community and the possible aftermath in the days after the match. Edited January 15 by RONNIE PHILLIPS Quote
London Wanderer Posted January 15 Posted January 15 1 hour ago, RONNIE PHILLIPS said: WMP Because everytime it was mentioned that possibly the Maccabi fans werent the real issue you insisted they were.......WMP can police Villa v Brum and theres far more threat of violence involved there......the missing ingredient was always the local community and the possible aftermath in the days after the match. But the Maccabi fans were a real issue..... What's wrong with insisting that? Just received a suspended ban from UEFA for chanting 'death to Arabs' in Stuttgart - they were never going to turn up peacefully. They'd be looking to antagonise just as much as some of the pro Palestine mob would be. They were a significant reason behind the decision & WMP just made a shitshow of justifying themselves. What I think is wrong is that the police didn't speak openly about the threat from extremists. Though they did say that they couldn't guarantee their safety to be fair. Again - Villa vs Brum (or any other local derby) isn't played under the same political backdrop. It quite clearly presents different challenges to policing other games, regardless of if the levels of violence might be similar They should have tried to find a way to make it work. But I'm not having the narrative of Maccabi fans playing the victim and folk saying it was because they're Jewish. Their reputation absolutely played a part as well. Posted numerous times: but a good insight into Israeli football and some of the power these fan bases hold. Maccabi had the most recorded incidents in the league last season. https://www.theguardian.com/news/video/2015/nov/24/beitar-jerusalem-most-racist-football-team-israel-video Quote
Farnywhite Posted January 15 Posted January 15 (edited) 10 hours ago, gonzo said: https://www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/news/greater-manchester-news/brother-driver-killed-bolton-crash-33237122 Fair play to the kid He as opened a just giving page to raise 10k for a memorial well for is dead brother who was the driver and the guys mates have opened another one up as well .unbelievable Edited January 15 by Farnywhite Quote
Zico Posted January 15 Posted January 15 On 15/01/2026 at 00:29, gonzo said: ChatGPT said: Certainly — here’s a polished but heartfelt apology letter, with the right mix of sincerity and humility: Dear Royal White, I’m writing to you with a genuinely heavy heart and a clear head, which I admit I should have had much earlier. During our recent discussion about the political event, I got it completely wrong. Worse than that, I stubbornly refused to accept it, and in doing so I dismissed not only the facts but your patience, insight, and good humour. For that, I am truly sorry. I also owe you a specific apology for refusing the clown 🤡 badges you so rightly tried to issue during the argument. In hindsight, they were more than deserved. I now accept those badges of shame fully and without reservation — and, in the spirit of accountability, I will also accept three bonus ones 🤡🤡🤡. I regret the error of my ways, both in my understanding and in my conduct. I respect you, your approach, and the way you handled the situation far better than I did. This letter is not written lightly — I really am so, so sorry. I wish you all the very best, and I hope you’ll accept this apology in the spirit it’s meant: sincere, reflective, and a little humbler than before. Kind regards, London White We also need a reply for if he chooses to not accept any of this and double down Quote
RONNIE PHILLIPS Posted January 15 Posted January 15 25 minutes ago, London Wanderer said: But the Maccabi fans were a real issue..... What's wrong with insisting that? Just received a suspended ban from UEFA for chanting 'death to Arabs' in Stuttgart - they were never going to turn up peacefully. They'd be looking to antagonise just as much as some of the pro Palestine mob would be. They were a significant reason behind the decision & WMP just made a shitshow of justifying themselves. What I think is wrong is that the police didn't speak openly about the threat from extremists. Though they did say that they couldn't guarantee their safety to be fair. Again - Villa vs Brum (or any other local derby) isn't played under the same political backdrop. It quite clearly presents different challenges to policing other games, regardless of if the levels of violence might be similar They should have tried to find a way to make it work. But I'm not having the narrative of Maccabi fans playing the victim and folk saying it was because they're Jewish. Their reputation absolutely played a part as well. Posted numerous times: but a good insight into Israeli football and some of the power these fan bases hold. Maccabi had the most recorded incidents in the league last season. https://www.theguardian.com/news/video/2015/nov/24/beitar-jerusalem-most-racist-football-team-israel-video They really werent though......they certainly would have been a big concern but in reality the issue was what would have awaited them. There would have been no discussion of banning them had they been playing at say Newcastle. However , as usual, the most worrying aspect is the handling of the whole thing by the Police. Quote
royal white Posted January 15 Author Posted January 15 28 minutes ago, London Wanderer said: But the Maccabi fans were a real issue..... What's wrong with insisting that? Just received a suspended ban from UEFA for chanting 'death to Arabs' in Stuttgart - they were never going to turn up peacefully. They'd be looking to antagonise just as much as some of the pro Palestine mob would be. They were a significant reason behind the decision & WMP just made a shitshow of justifying themselves. What I think is wrong is that the police didn't speak openly about the threat from extremists. Though they did say that they couldn't guarantee their safety to be fair. Again - Villa vs Brum (or any other local derby) isn't played under the same political backdrop. It quite clearly presents different challenges to policing other games, regardless of if the levels of violence might be similar They should have tried to find a way to make it work. But I'm not having the narrative of Maccabi fans playing the victim and folk saying it was because they're Jewish. Their reputation absolutely played a part as well. Posted numerous times: but a good insight into Israeli football and some of the power these fan bases hold. Maccabi had the most recorded incidents in the league last season. https://www.theguardian.com/news/video/2015/nov/24/beitar-jerusalem-most-racist-football-team-israel-video Here’s a video of another club just to show you how bad Tel Aviv fans are. 😂 It seems you think that racist chanting is actually worse than violence. Very odd. You also don’t seem to want acknowledge similar problems in the country that you live. Quote
MancWanderer Posted January 15 Posted January 15 4 hours ago, kent_white said: They were banned because an incompetent copper didn't want to have to deal with the likely consequences and lied about the intelligence he'd received. Repeatedly. Either way it's a shit show. I agree - if there was no credible intelligence about a specific threat - they should have been allowed to travel. Whether that's because he's anti-Semitic or just incompetent is another matter. There's just no evidence to say it's the former as things stand. Anyway - justice has prevailed. There is now nothing for us to be concerned about in the middle east! 😁 Fuck me. After pages and pages and pages of shite. Finally, a sensible post that sums it all up Good work @kent_white A dickhead makes a shit decision and should get properly roasted Quote
London Wanderer Posted January 16 Posted January 16 12 hours ago, royal white said: Here’s a video of another club just to show you how bad Tel Aviv fans are. 😂 It seems you think that racist chanting is actually worse than violence. Very odd. You also don’t seem to want acknowledge similar problems in the country that you live. Maccabi had the most reported incidents last year. More than Beitar. It’s an important insight into the culture. That kind of fanbase coming to Aston is clearly going to create huge challenges for the police. It’s a different situation & political backdrop to simply compare it to other games. I find it very odd you’re putting words in my mouth. Doesn’t help your argument to make stuff up mate. Where did I that? And what problems in the UK am I not acknowledging ? The whole point this is that there would have a huge risk of violence from locals & travelling fans. But they should have found a way to manage it. Quote
London Wanderer Posted January 16 Posted January 16 12 hours ago, RONNIE PHILLIPS said: They really werent though......they certainly would have been a big concern but in reality the issue was what would have awaited them. There would have been no discussion of banning them had they been playing at say Newcastle. However , as usual, the most worrying aspect is the handling of the whole thing by the Police. Yes I’m sure they wouldn’t have been banned going to somewhere like Newcastle. If they carry on though they won’t be travelling anywhere. We will just have to agree to disagree then 🙂 I think the issue was both what awaited them & what they would bring. Combined with the other non Muslim pro Palestine lot. If Maccabi didn’t have a significant number of extremists in their midst, I don’t think WMP would have been able to ban them. And absolutely, if there wasn’t a risk from the locals they would have been able to come. The two aren’t exclusive. There can be more than one reason Quote
miamiwhite Posted January 16 Posted January 16 As everyone is spouting re football hooligans.....I think we can all agree on this 😉 Quote
Popular Post Tonge moor green jacket Posted January 16 Popular Post Posted January 16 1 hour ago, London Wanderer said: Yes I’m sure they wouldn’t have been banned going to somewhere like Newcastle. If they carry on though they won’t be travelling anywhere. We will just have to agree to disagree then 🙂 I think the issue was both what awaited them & what they would bring. Combined with the other non Muslim pro Palestine lot. If Maccabi didn’t have a significant number of extremists in their midst, I don’t think WMP would have been able to ban them. And absolutely, if there wasn’t a risk from the locals they would have been able to come. The two aren’t exclusive. There can be more than one reason Total tripe. They don't have any greater threat than numerous others. Yet they were banned. The police are squirming, and lying, and there is antisemitic PCC in place. You got it wrong. Quote
royal white Posted January 16 Author Posted January 16 1 hour ago, London Wanderer said: Maccabi had the most reported incidents last year. More than Beitar. It’s an important insight into the culture. That kind of fanbase coming to Aston is clearly going to create huge challenges for the police. It’s a different situation & political backdrop to simply compare it to other games. I find it very odd you’re putting words in my mouth. Doesn’t help your argument to make stuff up mate. Where did I that? And what problems in the UK am I not acknowledging ? The whole point this is that there would have a huge risk of violence from locals & travelling fans. But they should have found a way to manage it. No shit Batman but they lied (like some of us said) and bowed down to a minority. The fact there was double figure arrests at Villa park when no away fans attended clearly tells you who the clowns are and if you’re still struggling to realise who it is it’s the same clowns who go chanting Free Palestine” every weekend up and down the country. 43 minutes ago, miamiwhite said: As everyone is spouting re football hooligans.....I think we can all agree on this 😉 Agghhh but they’re not signing naughty songs, let them carry on. Quote
miamiwhite Posted January 16 Posted January 16 On 01/12/2025 at 21:57, London Wanderer said: Mr Guildford said: "The information provided from the Dutch was very, very clear in terms of they reflected on the days before, during and after the match as a result of clashes between the Maccabi ultras and the local Muslim community. "In terms of what we were told, the ultras were very well organised, militaristic in the way that they operated. "They attacked members of the local community, including taxi drivers. Tore down flags. People were thrown into the river." He added that the Dutch commanders were "unequivocal" that they "would never want to have Maccabi Tel Aviv playing in Amsterdam again in the future". The ban was the "best way to minimise the risks" to the local community, players and fans, said Mr O'Hara. "Had we allowed the fans and it had gone wrong I feel that I would be sitting here again anyway." "We haven't made anything fit".......that is also what Guildford said in that article Quite wise of you to leave that out of your quote in hindsight fella 😉 Quote
miamiwhite Posted January 16 Posted January 16 On 01/12/2025 at 21:43, bolty58 said: https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c98ng15qmy9o BBC News. Hmmmm. Looks like they were correct pal Quote
London Wanderer Posted January 16 Posted January 16 6 minutes ago, miamiwhite said: "We haven't made anything fit".......that is also what Guildford said in that article Quite wise of you to leave that out of your quote in hindsight fella 😉 Thats not my quote, thats Mr Guildford my man you can take it up with him x Quote
miamiwhite Posted January 16 Posted January 16 2 minutes ago, London Wanderer said: Thats not my quote, thats Mr Guildford my man you can take it up with him x It's your quote on here fella. His was much more long winded which you cherry picked 🍒 Quote
London Wanderer Posted January 16 Posted January 16 7 minutes ago, miamiwhite said: It's your quote on here fella. His was much more long winded which you cherry picked 🍒 You might want to look up the definition of speech marks pal 😄 Quote
miamiwhite Posted January 16 Posted January 16 Just now, London Wanderer said: You might want to look up the definition of speech marks pal 😄 Instead of cherry picking, you might want to include the full article in future pal Just for balance 😉 😘 Quote
London Wanderer Posted January 16 Posted January 16 47 minutes ago, royal white said: . The fact there was double figure arrests at Villa park when no away fans attended Exactly Elements of the pro Palestine mob looking for trouble Muslims looking for trouble And racist football hooligans looking for trouble calling for Arabs to be murdered You don’t see that level of madness at Bolton Wigan eh 😄 I see all three groups as clowns in equal measure mate 👍 Not sure how anyone can say one is worse than the other. Quote
London Wanderer Posted January 16 Posted January 16 Just now, miamiwhite said: Instead of cherry picking, you might want to include the full article in future pal Just for balance 😉 😘 It already had a few posts up 👍 Quote
London Wanderer Posted January 16 Posted January 16 50 minutes ago, Tonge moor green jacket said: Total tripe. They don't have any greater threat than numerous others. Yet they were banned. The police are squirming, and lying, and there is antisemitic PCC in place. You got it wrong. Another one 😄 What did I get wrong exactly? I asked another poster last night and they couldn’t explain and just put words in my mouth Maybe you can help explain? I never even agreed with the decision for starters See post above It’s the combination of all three sides that’s an issue. Quote
miamiwhite Posted January 16 Posted January 16 3 minutes ago, London Wanderer said: It already had a few posts up 👍 Yes, I posted it. Without omitting the blatant lie amongst many by that fraud Guildford I mean.....not you my man 😉 x Quote
royal white Posted January 16 Author Posted January 16 6 minutes ago, London Wanderer said: Exactly Elements of the pro Palestine mob looking for trouble Muslims looking for trouble And racist football hooligans looking for trouble calling for Arabs to be murdered You don’t see that level of madness at Bolton Wigan eh 😄 I see all three groups as clowns in equal measure mate 👍 Not sure how anyone can say one is worse than the other. Wigan v Bolton a few years back was a lot worse then a couple of dozen fans singing a naughty song. You’ve dug yourself that much into a hole that I don’t think you have a clue what you’re supporting now? Quote
miamiwhite Posted January 16 Posted January 16 8 minutes ago, London Wanderer said: Exactly Elements of the pro Palestine mob looking for trouble Muslims looking for trouble And racist football hooligans looking for trouble calling for Arabs to be murdered You don’t see that level of madness at Bolton Wigan eh 😄 I see all three groups as clowns in equal measure mate 👍 Not sure how anyone can say one is worse than the other. Quite easy when one particular "group" want the complete annihilation of the other. I wonder who 🤔 Quote
miamiwhite Posted January 16 Posted January 16 2 minutes ago, royal white said: Wigan v Bolton a few years back was a lot worse then a couple of dozen fans singing a naughty song. You’ve dug yourself that much into a hole that I don’t think you have a clue what you’re supporting now? He's gone mate 😂 Just seen that wanker Guildford in his new uniform Once he's sacked, he will be the ultimate useful idiot Quote
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