Oh dear how sad. Everton

[Tonge moor green jacket]

8 minutes ago, London Wanderer said:

This

I'd be all for it if there was consistency. 

Based on this latest outcome you'd expect City and Chelsea to be kicked out the league. 

As no decision nor punishment has been made yet, you cannot comment about a lack of consistency. 

Who knows, if found guilty, their punishments may well be more severe.

Another example of deciding a result without knowing the facts nor where the process is up to.

[London Wanderer]

2 minutes ago, Tonge moor green jacket said:

As no decision nor punishment has been made yet, you cannot comment about a lack of consistency. 

Who knows, if found guilty, their punishments may well be more severe.

Another example of deciding a result without knowing the facts nor where the process is up to.

That's fair enough to be honest. I did read on after the comment and could see the other side of things. 

With football being the way it is these days and the unfairness of it, it was easy to jump to that conclusion. 

[DirtySanchez]

1 hour ago, Tonge moor green jacket said:

Says who exactly?

Best will in the world, you're not carrying out the investigation. 

If it's true that 114 charges are lodged against city, then presumably that will take some time.

Perhaps the Everton case was much easier to determine, but that doesn't mean the others won't be sorted. What is important is to make the case watertight, so as to avoid any legal challenges ruining it. 

Big E supports anything against scousers

Edited November 17, 2023 by DirtySanchez

[Casino]

Cos hes a scouser

A welsh one, no less

What a desparate life

[FrancisFogarty]

Send ‘em down. We got delegated against them in the first season at Reebok with a disputed decision so fuck them to fuckery.

Never forgive, never forget. 
 

[FrancisFogarty]

44 minutes ago, Tonge moor green jacket said:

As no decision nor punishment has been made yet, you cannot comment about a lack of consistency. 

Who knows, if found guilty, their punishments may well be more severe.

Another example of deciding a result without knowing the facts nor where the process is up to.

They’re not going to chuck City or Chelsea or Everton out because they bring in loads of money to the PL.

Us, and the pie eaters and more smaller clubs are easier meat.

[Marc505]

1 hour ago, Casino said:

Fucking hell

Did she do Chelsea?

Oh I don't know, thought she was pure Ev through and through.

It's the bits she does with her flute (hang on?) that are the best.

 

[Farrelli]

If Everton are the only offenders in the Prem I’ll eat Vernon Kay’s trainers.

[Cheese]

 

[Didledee]

Always makes me wonder how our future would have been had we stayed up that year when the goal wasn't given, no Big Sam, none of the incredible players we had wouldn't really change it in hindsight, same with the Ipswich semi final disgrace too, terrible defining moments that would completely reshape our future, also if Stoke weren't given that pen in 2-2 game.

As for now, think they'll be fine with the promoted sides struggling.

Edited November 17, 2023 by Didledee

[MickyD]

From an Evertonian In-law.

Great point made about the “big 6”, whose attempt to destroy the whole of the English football pyramid cost each club a paltry fine. 

[tomski]

FFP can get fucked. Nothing for the 6 that tried to leave and then our fabulous football governing body give it the big one for a bloke trying to spend his money. Hope they appeal and win

@MickyD beat me too it

Edited November 17, 2023 by tomski

[DirtySanchez]

3 hours ago, Tonge moor green jacket said:

Says who exactly?

Best will in the world, you're not carrying out the investigation. 

If it's true that 114 charges are lodged against city, then presumably that will take some time.

Perhaps the Everton case was much easier to determine, but that doesn't mean the others won't be sorted. What is important is to make the case watertight, so as to avoid any legal challenges ruining it. 

Or just City have better lawyers than Everton 

[DirtySanchez]

And the comparison with the top six is piss poor at best 

[tomski]

2 minutes ago, DirtySanchez said:

And the comparison with the top six is piss poor at best 

Disagree, they should of been told to go.  

[DirtySanchez]

Just now, tomski said:

Disagree, they should of been told to go.  

How is that relevant to Everton's punishment?

[tomski]

5 minutes ago, DirtySanchez said:

How is that relevant to Everton's punishment?

It’s relevant as the PL picks and chooses when to lay down the law and seems to protect the clubs with more glory fans

[DirtySanchez]

2 minutes ago, tomski said:

It’s relevant as the PL picks and chooses when to lay down the law and seems to protect the clubs with more glory fans

They've said they are going after City

Sounds like Chelsea are next 

If Everton are found to be guilty, would you begrudge them for going for them?

[tomski]

5 minutes ago, DirtySanchez said:

They've said they are going after City

Sounds like Chelsea are next 

If Everton are found to be guilty, would you begrudge them for going for them?

But not Liverpool or the scum. Weird that

[MancWanderer]

21 minutes ago, tomski said:

But not Liverpool or the scum. Weird that

I'll happily admit that I know less than fuck all as to how FFP works

But a bloke I was with at uni has been involved in football on the financial side for many years. His opinion (and it's only an opinion) is that Liverpool, Man U, Arsenal and Spurs have sailed close to the wind but not actually crossed a line.

Other point he made is that folk shouldn't confuse FFP with administration, etc, and not look at penalties handed out to other clubs or potential deductions hanging over other clubs as they are not necessarily the same

 

All that said, would I trust the Prem to follow this up with penalising other clubs? Would I balls

[tomski]

6 minutes ago, MancWanderer said:

I'll happily admit that I know less than fuck all as to how FFP works

But a bloke I was with at uni has been involved in football on the financial side for many years. His opinion (and it's only an opinion) is that Liverpool, Man U, Arsenal and Spurs have sailed close to the wind but not actually crossed a line.

Other point he made is that folk shouldn't confuse FFP with administration, etc, and not look at penalties handed out to other clubs or potential deductions hanging over other clubs as they are not necessarily the same

 

All that said, would I trust the Prem to follow this up with penalising other clubs? Would I balls

Fair points. It’s hard to deny it feels rigged up to setting the elite up though similar to G14 or whatever they called em selves or The premier league protecting their world wide darlings. I think even a punishment for Man City would be geared up to this.

The point deduction thing has never set right with me. Even with Wigan (though I admit they aren’t rivals to me as much as others) I thought was unfair and sets out to achieve very little if not performed in the moment.

Liverpool or Man U will never get done for this.

[Tonge moor green jacket]

1 hour ago, DirtySanchez said:

Or just City have better lawyers than Everton 

Maybe, but the Everton owners aren't short of a Bob ot two.

From what little I've heard, it seems a relatively simple case to investigate.

I have some sympathy- the lost sponsor revenue will have hurt, and maybe that could have/did mitigate.

The lawyers may come to the fore more should appeals go ahead, or even a hearing in the court of arbitration for sport.

All will come out in the wash.

[MancWanderer]

19 minutes ago, tomski said:

Fair points. It’s hard to deny it feels rigged up to setting the elite up though similar to G14 or whatever they called em selves or The premier league protecting their world wide darlings. I think even a punishment for Man City would be geared up to this.

The point deduction thing has never set right with me. Even with Wigan (though I admit they aren’t rivals to me as much as others) I thought was unfair and sets out to achieve very little if not performed in the moment.

Liverpool or Man U will never get done for this.

Yep. Agree. I’d be shocked if the Prem apply any punishment to any of the big boys

[Tonge moor green jacket]

19 minutes ago, tomski said:

Fair points. It’s hard to deny it feels rigged up to setting the elite up though similar to G14 or whatever they called em selves or The premier league protecting their world wide darlings. I think even a punishment for Man City would be geared up to this.

The point deduction thing has never set right with me. Even with Wigan (though I admit they aren’t rivals to me as much as others) I thought was unfair and sets out to achieve very little if not performed in the moment.

Liverpool or Man U will never get done for this.

Given the huge earning power of those two clubs, they ought to be able to stay clear of falling foul of ffp.

City are being looked at for what they've done in getting where they are now- and if they've breached regulations then should be punished accordingly. 

Now that they have broken their own glass ceiling and recorded such a massive income, they will probably get into a more sustainable position like the aforementioned red teams.

[Tonge moor green jacket]

2 minutes ago, MancWanderer said:

Yep. Agree. I’d be shocked if the Prem apply any punishment to any of the big boys

I wouldn't. As above, they are the most likely to become "sustainable" through various income streams that will offset big spending.

If they're guilty though, then I'm confident they'll be punished.

No doubt all these clubs may try to utilise "schemes" to their own advantage- and that's where the investigations have to be thorough.