wakey Posted February 21 Posted February 21 44 minutes ago, green genie said: Think it had started before . My firm had office at Huthwaite and had lots of ex miners who’d kick off at drop of a hat probably why they introduced chin straps for their helmets. Quote
BWFC_LOVE Posted February 21 Posted February 21 13 hours ago, perth_white said: Read about the Crystal Palace vs Brighton (Eagles vs Seagulls) "derby", seems to be sort of a joke but it made me chuckle and as the are both Premier League it must rank currently. Only recently discovered that Brighton adopted Seagulls because of this rivalry, and they were the Dolphins previously(?). A forced rivalry. Same for Cov and Leicester. Rivals for the sake of it as they don’t have a main rival. Quote
DirtySanchez Posted February 21 Posted February 21 47 minutes ago, Dr. Feelgood said: The two places are closer than most think, plus it's just a schlep along the A40. Add that Oxford owner, & father of Ghislaine, Robert Maxwell, proposed a merger with an Oxford dominance about 30 years ago & it all makes more sense. It was Oxford with Reading and they were going to be called Thames Valley Royals and was in the early eighties so a bit more than 30 years Quote
Dr. Feelgood Posted February 21 Posted February 21 4 minutes ago, DirtySanchez said: It was Oxford with Reading and they were going to be called Thames Valley Royals and was in the early eighties so a bit more than 30 years So 'about 30 years' was 'about 40 years'. Where do I send my apologies to ? Quote
DirtySanchez Posted February 21 Posted February 21 Just now, Dr. Feelgood said: So 'about 30 years' was 'about 40 years'. Where do I send my apologies to ? Swindon Quote
DirtySanchez Posted February 21 Posted February 21 4 hours ago, Dr Faustus said: https://vm.tiktok.com/ZNRPnDHVu/ Palace and Brighton fans will tell you it isn't a derby, it's just the media saying that and giving it the tag of the 'M23 derby' They definitely don't like one another though Quote
Johnnyrotten Posted February 21 Posted February 21 12 hours ago, RONNIE PHILLIPS said: No they wouldnt.......Leeds is a more intimidating place for them to go to Leeds make it intimidating because that's their big game, they don't have a derby. Similar to when we used to play Man U, we made it a huge match because it was for us. Not for them. Growing up amongst United fans at school then at work in Manchester, games v Leeds were just another game like us playing Stockport. Only the Liverpool and City games got the big build up where it mattered more than the points at stake. Quote
Johnnyrotten Posted February 21 Posted February 21 4 hours ago, boltonboris said: Newcastle v Sunderland Man U v Liverpool Southampton v Portsmouth Norwich v Ipswich Burnley v Blackburn used to be great to watch but now it’s just empty stands and a shit atmosphere They're probably the biggest ones, but outside of those, games like Palace v Brighton, or Derby v Forest etc nobody really gives a shit other than those 2 teams Is that not the case with any derby? Would we care more about Spurs v Arsenal than Derby v Forest? Quote
Johnnyrotten Posted February 21 Posted February 21 3 hours ago, barrycowdrill said: not sure I could cope with us having a rival in the same town. Get worked up enough over local games. How wierd would that be? Imagine if 125 years ago someone had started a team called Bolton Town maybe 4 miles across town from Christ Church FC. And now we'd be obliged to hate them. It makes me wonder which is the smallest town to have 2 professional teams? Dundee maybe if we include Scotland but not sure. Quote
paulhanley Posted February 21 Posted February 21 Maybe no qualifiers for the top 5 but you do not have to look far from home for big derbies with very long histories. Even if you exclude the Burnley/Blackburn or PNE/the shite we play today, games like Burnley v PNE, Blackburn v PNE, us v all three of those are big matches. Folk will talk about Newcastle v Sunderland but Sunderland v Boro is also a biggie. Norwich v Ipswich and Luton v Watford are big rivalries. Big derby in Brum is obvious but the others are huge in their own right: Villa or Birmingham v Wolves and West Brom etc. Quote
Dimron Posted February 21 Posted February 21 3 hours ago, Tonge moor green jacket said: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_association_football_rivalries_in_the_United_Kingdom Dunno who bothered to create this, and some seems tenuous, but worth a gander. Counted 6 BWFC "derbies" in there... I remember talking to a Bury lass... she said "you're from Bolton, you hate everybody" 🙂 Quote
barrycowdrill Posted February 21 Posted February 21 (edited) 26 minutes ago, Johnnyrotten said: How wierd would that be? Imagine if 125 years ago someone had started a team called Bolton Town maybe 4 miles across town from Christ Church FC. And now we'd be obliged to hate them. It makes me wonder which is the smallest town to have 2 professional teams? Dundee maybe if we include Scotland but not sure. Dundee must be the UK smallest and when you factor in the proximity too. Walking past your rivals ground for a home game is bizarre to me. Sure I read a while back that when they played it was hatred yet when the big boys came to town like the old firm or Aberdeen, Dundee and united then combined and would all have a beer together? Even odder in England I think stoke, notts and Bristol are the smallest 2 team places Edited February 21 by barrycowdrill Quote
DirtySanchez Posted February 21 Posted February 21 25 minutes ago, Johnnyrotten said: How wierd would that be? Imagine if 125 years ago someone had started a team called Bolton Town maybe 4 miles across town from Christ Church FC. And now we'd be obliged to hate them. It makes me wonder which is the smallest town to have 2 professional teams? Dundee maybe if we include Scotland but not sure. Can't think of any towns with two teams so probably whichever is the smaller of Stoke or Nottingham Though technically you could argue Forest don't play in Nottingham That said isn't Stoke a mash up of a number of towns so maybe Port Vale don't play in Stoke So stick with Dundee Quote
DirtySanchez Posted February 21 Posted February 21 16 hours ago, SatanGreavsie said: Following on from a chat at work, just wondering what the biggest five derbies are that don't involve teams from the same town or city? Obviously if you have a city like Sheffield, with two teams in it, then that makes for a derby rivalry. Liverpool, Manc, Brum, shed-load of London etc. But summat between areas that are close (ish) enough to genuinely classify it as a "local" derby and not just a long term rivalry between good teams. So obvious contenders Newcastle v Sunderland, Norwich v Ipswich, left-field choice Chesterfield v Mansfield (two towns who hate each other post miners strike) etc etc Top 5 suggestions? For me, first might be Pompey v Southampton. I lived in Soton for a while and remember a football conversation in a boozer with a Soton fan. Really pleasant, so when I brought up the Barry Horne goal he admitted they were lucky. Happy to give credit where credit was due to all sorts and admit their limitations as a club/history etc etc. Epitome of a mild mannered, thoughtful and knowledgably fair minded football fan who could keep perspective on everything. But then I made the mistake of mentioning Pompey. In a trice he transformed into rage, quite literally foaming at the mouth with spittle flecking his chops. I say that Pompey v Soton "might" be first, though someone could convince me otherwise. If we make if EFL then Cardiff v Swansea comes into it. Thoughts for a top five? Work with a Saints fan and he was saying for their game at Pompey, it was one of those bubble games where you can only get there by official coach and presumably a police escort Can't be many where that happens Know a Cardiff fan who hates Bristol City more than he hates Swansea. Suppose it is closer Quote
barrycowdrill Posted February 21 Posted February 21 18 minutes ago, DirtySanchez said: Work with a Saints fan and he was saying for their game at Pompey, it was one of those bubble games where you can only get there by official coach and presumably a police escort Can't be many where that happens Know a Cardiff fan who hates Bristol City more than he hates Swansea. Suppose it is closer Yeh big rivalry Cardiff and Bristol city Bristol rovers have a similar hatred of Newport for similar reasons Quote
Johnnyrotten Posted February 21 Posted February 21 42 minutes ago, barrycowdrill said: Dundee must be the UK smallest and when you factor in the proximity too. Walking past your rivals ground for a home game is bizarre to me. Sure I read a while back that when they played it was hatred yet when the big boys came to town like the old firm or Aberdeen, Dundee and united then combined and would all have a beer together? Even odder in England I think stoke, notts and Bristol are the smallest 2 team places Yes, Dundee and United fans must literally come out of their game, go to the nearest pubs and the folk that support the other team will be there having their Saturday afternoon pint. Very unique, I went to our friendly there in the 90s and couldn't believe my eyes how close they were. I know for a fact that if I'd grown up in Dundee or Nottingham, I'd have been going to both grounds as a teenager, and the same if Bolton had 2 clubs, hate wouldn't have crossed my mind. My work mate is a S/T holder at Stoke but often goes to watch Vale and wants them to win. Good shout on Bristol. Quote
masi 51 Posted February 21 Posted February 21 One i have never got is Crystal Palace / Brighton Quote
ianofcleveleys Posted February 21 Posted February 21 42 minutes ago, DirtySanchez said: Work with a Saints fan and he was saying for their game at Pompey, it was one of those bubble games where you can only get there by official coach and presumably a police escort Can't be many where that happens Know a Cardiff fan who hates Bristol City more than he hates Swansea. Suppose it is closer My thinking about the fiercest 'between towns' rivalries was based on the bubble match thing, Cardiff v Swansea, Blackburn v Burnley the two with long history of it, though I clocked that about Pompey v Soton the other week Quote
DirtySanchez Posted February 21 Posted February 21 (edited) 7 minutes ago, ianofcleveleys said: My thinking about the fiercest 'between towns' rivalries was based on the bubble match thing, Cardiff v Swansea, Blackburn v Burnley the two with long history of it, though I clocked that about Pompey v Soton the other week Wasn't there a story about Burnley fans getting a barge to go along a canal to Blackburn to evade the police Edited February 21 by DirtySanchez Quote
SatanGreavsie Posted February 21 Author Posted February 21 16 minutes ago, Johnnyrotten said: I know for a fact that if I'd grown up in Dundee or Nottingham, I'd have been going to both grounds as a teenager, and the same if Bolton had 2 clubs, hate wouldn't have crossed my mind. Mate at work is a big Forest fan - as is his dad, who says that when he started going, presumably early to mid 60s, it was quite common for people to have two season tickets, to Forest and Notts. Quote
Whitesince63 Posted February 21 Posted February 21 22 minutes ago, SatanGreavsie said: Mate at work is a big Forest fan - as is his dad, who says that when he started going, presumably early to mid 60s, it was quite common for people to have two season tickets, to Forest and Notts. Likewise with us and Bury. Quote
Zico Posted February 21 Posted February 21 6 hours ago, Tonge moor green jacket said: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_association_football_rivalries_in_the_United_Kingdom Dunno who bothered to create this, and some seems tenuous, but worth a gander. I got as far as Aylesbury derby: Aylesbury United vs. Aylesbury Vale Dynamos Quote
White on Tyne Posted February 21 Posted February 21 4 hours ago, SatanGreavsie said: Mate at work is a big Forest fan - as is his dad, who says that when he started going, presumably early to mid 60s, it was quite common for people to have two season tickets, to Forest and Notts. When my mum was a trainee nurse in Brum they’d get sent cheap tickets by the local clubs so she’d watch Villa one week and West Brom the next. She used to go on about Ronnie Allen who was their pin up Quote
Not in Crawley Posted February 21 Posted February 21 20 hours ago, MancWanderer said: Think the Palace Brighton thing was about Alan Mullery being a bit of a twat and him and Venables having a row during a game? Folk forget though that train line going through Croydon goes to Redhill, Three Bridges, Crawley, Lewes etc When i lived in Crawley there was loads of Brighton fans and its only 30 mins to Croydon. That whole area of west sussex has a crossover so its not quite as daft as the media makes out in terms.of distance as they are only talking about the grounds. Quote
Whitestar Posted February 21 Posted February 21 6 hours ago, Whitesince63 said: Likewise with us and Bury. I must have been about 50 before i even knew Bury weren't keen on us. Think it wasn't till the zach Clough game 🤷🤷🤷 who knew eh? Quote
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