Who Should You Vote For?

[no balls]

I'm with Boby and the Leigh groomer. I don't know anyone out of work, I do however know people who have had and do have jobs they certainly don't love. I too have been in that situation, in fact I'd bet most people have. You take the job, I'd hope you then work and strive to get the job/career you want.

I genuinely cannot see why anyone should be unemployed for long.

Spruce up your CV and get on with it......

Edited April 24, 2015 by no balls

[gonzo]

I suppose everyone's opinion is formed by their own experience and circumstances but I tend to go with Smiffs opinion on unemployment. I've been thinking about everyone that I know. Family, friends and friends of friends and I can't think of anyone that is unemployed. That covers most of the social spectrum of someone, like me, with a typical working class background. I know lots of people though in jobs that they don't particularly like but that's pretty much normal for a lot of the population. Like Smiffs, I've had to change and adapt when things have gone tits up without ever having to rely on or blame the state. I went from travelling around Europe, business class, to delivering Yellow Pages and parcels to keep some money coming in. I'm not unsympathetic to anyone who is genuinely struggling (as I've had to on occasions) but it's too easy and self defeating, to put the blame on someone else.

Bang on.

 

I see it all the time. Lads sat in the eagle on a Monday afternoon moaning they are skint as there's no work out there.

 

"Have you tried Morrisons or hotels on the prom?"

 

"Nah fuck that I'm not doing that" etc....

 

....be skint and moan all day then you job shy fucker and let some polak do it.

Edited April 24, 2015 by gonzo

[tyldesley_white]

 

....be skint and moan all day then you job shy fucker and let some polak do it.

But they are taking all our jobs

[Salford Trotter]

I am with the general consensus on here that there are jobs out there if you really want to find them...just too many short sighted people for my liking.

 

My mrs and I are just now beginning to enjoy the fruits of our labours after grafting hard for all of our working lives. Thankfully our kids have the same attitude and I wouldn't want it any other way. Generally speaking you get out of life what you put in.

[mickbrown]

I'm with Boby and the Leigh groomer. I don't know anyone out of work, I do however know people who have had and do have jobs they certainly don't love. I too have been in that situation, in fact I'd bet most people have. You take the job, I'd hope you then work and strive to get the job/career you want.

I genuinely cannot see why anyone should be unemployed for long.

Spruce up your CV and get on with it......

 

Too right - once I realised I wasn't going to be the captain of England or Johnny Marr I accepted the fact that work is something you just do. 

 

I've never loved a job I've had, ever.  That's why it's called work.

 

Ones I've hated I've fucked off and have found a few I've tolerated.

 

Beats sittiing on your arse all day and besides, I like money too much to do that.

[Traf]

I love my job.

First one I've had that I've really, really liked.

 

(Well apart from my part-time volunteer work as the fluffer at the Dazbob/Tomski/CWP lemon parties)

[Smiffs]

Just as you and others have no idea about other people's circumstances but it doesn't stop you making sweeping generalisations about them. Using your own life as some sort of blueprint of how everyone else should run theirs is bollocks.

So why does anyone bother posting if it's not about your own opinions and experiences then?

[only1swanny]

I have a jam butty for dinner and then something Normal for tea..

 

Saves a fortune as I'm a skint student. Government gives a shed load to certain subjects but not business. When the jobs come up you have to teach business with one of the other subjects..

 

That winds me up..

 

I might play ip dip do on polling day. Lib dems will push public sector. Labour will sack off non qts teachers and conservatives.. They cant honestly wreck education any more than recent past.

[mickbrown]

I love my job.

First one I've had that I've really, really liked.

 

(Well apart from my part-time volunteer work as the fluffer at the Dazbob/Tomski/CWP lemon parties)

 

I always thought you were a professional gambler /  playboy.

 

Please don't shatter my illusions

[no balls]

I have a jam butty for dinner and then something Normal for tea..

 

Saves a fortune as I'm a skint student. Government gives a shed load to certain subjects but not business. When the jobs come up you have to teach business with one of the other subjects..

 

That winds me up..

 

I might play ip dip do on polling day. Lib dems will push public sector. Labour will sack off non qts teachers and conservatives.. They cant honestly wreck education any more than recent past.

Swanny, you're Bolton West aren't you? If so, every vote counts. If Hilling gets in by 1 I will hold you responsible

[Traf]

I always thought you were a professional gambler /  playboy.

 

Please don't shatter my illusions

 

I am an online racing site editor / tipster / gambler.

 

Not so much the playboy unfortunately.

[only1swanny]

Swanny, you're Bolton West aren't you? If so, every vote counts. If Hilling gets in by 1 I will hold you responsible

I'm dying for her to come knocking on my door Canvassing.. Don't think they would round here though..

 

Because it's a rented house we have had about 8 polling cards where peopke haven't changed address

[frankietheman]

Some interesting comments on here by people who have risen from adversity, yanked themselves up by their bootstraps and made a go of it (Smiffs bit particularly interesting and fair fucks to the guy for what he has achieved) 

I wonder though how you break the cycle of those "unmotivated" to work, the inarticulate, hard of thinking, those brought up in a culture where benefits are the norm etc.  Would simply removing those benefits provide a sufficient kick up the arse for them to start achieving?  No government to date has effectively tackled that so called cycle of deprivation either with carrot or stick.

[only1swanny]

Some interesting comments on here by people who have risen from adversity, yanked themselves up by their bootstraps and made a go of it (Smiffs bit particularly interesting and fair fucks to the guy for what he has achieved)

I wonder though how you break the cycle of those "unmotivated" to work, the inarticulate, hard of thinking, those brought up in a culture where benefits are the norm etc. Would simply removing those benefits provide a sufficient kick up the arse for them to start achieving? No government to date has effectively tackled that so called cycle of deprivation either with carrot or stick.

I honestly think that the education reform will help.

 

Keeping kids in education.. Be it academic vocational or apprenticeship will direct peopke down the path when they would normally be making the choice to work..

 

An 18 year old trained and qualified semi skilled worker is more likely to seek work than a 16 year old with no work experience or academic qualifications. There is no out option now so these kuds can see potentially more importance to do well at school and open the door to more training options

[birch-chorley]

Unless your disabled etc long term benefits for unemployed who have been claiming for 12 mo They+ should consist of a roof over your head (chosen by the housing association) rent paid direct, utility bills paid direct, and a food parcel each week. You should have to work for the state too to get it

 

Low skilled employment at the moment pays little more than claiming, some would rather sit on their arse than work and build their way up an employment ladder

[anewman]

I love my job.

First one I've had that I've really, really liked.

 

(Well apart from my part-time volunteer work as the fluffer at the Dazbob/Tomski/CWP lemon parties)

My jobs ace, got its ups and downs but it's ace

[anewman]

Unless your disabled etc long term benefits for unemployed who have been claiming for 12 mo They+ should consist of a roof over your head (chosen by the housing association) rent paid direct, utility bills paid direct, and a food parcel each week. You should have to work for the state too to get it

Low skilled employment at the moment pays little more than claiming, some would rather sit on their arse than work and build their way up an employment ladder

This CSCS bollocks is a hinderance, many folk have asked me if I have the odd day or two but I can't get them on site because of it, also you have to be 18 so what do school leavers do about getting an apprenticeship? Some sites let you on but you have to be with them at all times

[RoadRunnerFan]

Some interesting comments on here by people who have risen from adversity, yanked themselves up by their bootstraps and made a go of it (Smiffs bit particularly interesting and fair fucks to the guy for what he has achieved) 

I wonder though how you break the cycle of those "unmotivated" to work, the inarticulate, hard of thinking, those brought up in a culture where benefits are the norm etc.  Would simply removing those benefits provide a sufficient kick up the arse for them to start achieving?  No government to date has effectively tackled that so called cycle of deprivation either with carrot or stick.

 

Many are concerned that whilst this group certainly exist, their numbers and costs are being exaggerated to give political cover for the removal of the safety net for all.

 

There are plenty of tales of folk who have paid in all their lives then fallen on hard times through redundancy, sickness, relationship breakdown and find that the safety net is being taken away. The workshy are clearly an attractive target for these people to turn their attention to.

 

I speak as someone who has done reasonably well from a modest background, but I still recognise that I could only be a catastrophic life event or workplace reorganisation away from struggling again.

 

The biggest problem is the cost of housing in this country, £9 billion per year of the 'welfare' bill goes to private landlords in housing benefit which is only slightly more than the combined cost of JSA and Incapacity Benefit.

[Whites man]

 

The biggest problem is the cost of housing in this country, £9 billion per year of the 'welfare' bill goes to private landlords in housing benefit which is only slightly more than the combined cost of JSA and Incapacity Benefit.

The demonising of private landlords is a growing trend and has more to do with old fashioned class politics than anything else.

[RoadRunnerFan]

The demonising of private landlords is a growing trend and has more to do with old fashioned class politics than anything else.

 

Just like the demonising of the 'undeserving poor.'

 

"There’s class warfare, all right, but it’s my class, the rich class, that’s making war, and we’re winning.” - Warren Buffett.

Edited April 25, 2015 by RoadRunnerFan

[no balls]

The demonising of private landlords is a growing trend and has more to do with old fashioned class politics than anything else.

Though there little demonising in the media of those who are given housing benefit but don't pass that money, which was never theirs to give, on to the private landlords who have bills to pay including tax that goes towards housing benefit and court costs to evict the thieving bastards.

[RoadRunnerFan]

Though there little demonising in the media of those who are given housing benefit but don't pass that money, which was never theirs to give, on to the private landlords who have bills to pay including tax that goes towards housing benefit and court costs to evict the thieving bastards.

 

The risk-return trade off in action.

[birch-chorley]

We like to demonise anything successful in this country

 

The banking sector

Starbucks / big business

Private landlords

 

The list goes on

 

The whole 'let's throw the baby out with the bath water routine' is wearing thin with me

[no balls]

The risk-return trade off in action.

it's not their fucking money to risk though. It's an utterly ridiculous concept

[RoadRunnerFan]

it's not their fucking money to risk though. It's an utterly ridiculous concept

 

Absolutely correct. The landlord is the one taking the risk.

 

The investor who chooses to be a landlord accepts this and other risks in order to gain a higher level of return.

 

This risk can be avoided through investing elsewhere, in the bank or the stock market for example.

 

The risk can also be managed through landlord insurance or through an agency though this will increase cost and therefore lower the return.

 

Alternatively the investor could seek out higher risk investments such as emerging markets or the 3:30 at Kempton which could potentially  deliver higher returns at greater risk.

 

The risk return trade off is one of the fundamental principles of investment, I'm not sure how you arrive at the conclusion it's a ridiculous concept, I'm guessing that you misunderstood my very brief response.