(That long since we've had any, couldn't find the thread)

Alan Nixon: "Top Liverpool starlet Cameron Branagan will Ben allowed out on loan in Jan.

Bolton lead the race for the 20 year old midfielder"

Edited December 11, 20169 yr by Ratwhite

West Ham interested in signing McAtee!

Sadly it’s James from Forest. 😁

2 minutes ago, Cheese said:

What do you think our budget is?

Like you and everyone else I suspect I haven’t a scooby doo but I’d assume it’s somewhere between zero and the speculated £30m from new investment. I’d just have been interested in what the better informed considered realistic since it’s almost certainly not the £30m.

14 minutes ago, Dr. Feelgood said:

He's a pro aged 32. He HAS to have some capability. He showed a bit in those play offs but he had some baffling howlers

You mention Billy Crellin. That was nothing about unfair treatment but having absolutely zero presence in the box.

Only the young dudes.

I'm an old dude now. 😉

11 minutes ago, Cheese said:

What do you think our budget is?

What's a bag of balls worth these dsys?

5 minutes ago, Whitesince63 said:

Like you and everyone else I suspect I haven’t a scooby doo but I’d assume it’s somewhere between zero and the speculated £30m from new investment. I’d just have been interested in what the better informed considered realistic since it’s almost certainly not the £30m.

I highly doubt anyone on here has inside information on our transfer budget.

In terms of budget, i wouldn't worry lads.

Once the world cup is over and teams come in for prime donnarumma (bonham) and prime marcelo (conway), we'll be loaded. 😎

Possible incoming keeper from good stock. Set to come in on loan

8 minutes ago, W.cramp said:

Possible incoming keeper from good stock. Set to come in on loan

Albert Bisto ??

23 minutes ago, Mannyroader said:

What's a bag of balls worth these dsys?

More or less than a Dong?

1 minute ago, bwfc6ix said:

More or less than a Dong?

Two balls and a decent dong are worth a lot!

Baseline! Put a Dong on it!

17 minutes ago, Zog1 said:

Baseline! Put a Dong on it!

ChatGPT could have a field day with this

1 hour ago, Whitesince63 said:

Like you and everyone else I suspect I haven’t a scooby doo but I’d assume it’s somewhere between zero and the speculated £30m from new investment. I’d just have been interested in what the better informed considered realistic since it’s almost certainly not the £30m.

I know I got shot down but my mistake wasn't that my logic was wrong it was that I applied it to the wrong table in the accounts and extrapolated the numbers from there.

It was established thanks to DLH that at the start of last season (including the £30m that for various reasons we received a little bit later) the club had £22m in the pot.

Last season's losses need to be deducted from that.

In 2023-24 we had a trading loss of £11m and in 2024-25 £13m so let's say we lost £10m that would mean there being something like £12m in the pot at the start of this season.

As far as we know nothing else has been put in the pot since the £30m and we will not be breaking even this season therefore we will have a trading loss to cover.

The trading loss has to take priority over transfer business.

Meaning that until FV puts more into the pot most if not all of that £12m is committed to fund this season's end of year trading deficit.

That doesn't mean the club has zero transfer budget, FV can simply put the money in later in the year to cover what we may well spend in this window but where the problem is, is that ongoing trading losses in future years need to be planned and budgeted for. The less money remaining in the pot at the end of each season means the greater the club has to reduce costs (or sell players) to keep within budgeted trading losses year on year.

It's a balancing act if you will,

1 hour ago, Cheese said:

I highly doubt anyone on here has inside information on our transfer budget.

i do

inbox me

6 minutes ago, L/H White said:

i do

inbox me

I'm talking about Bolton not Liverpool.

2 hours ago, Cheese said:

What do you think our budget is?

At a Guess i would say £5 million

Just now, little whitt said:

At a Guess i would say £5 million

I doubt it's even that.

1 hour ago, Dr. Feelgood said:

Albert Bisto ??

Different gravy.

1 hour ago, W.cramp said:

Possible incoming keeper from good stock. Set to come in on loan

Tommy Setford from Arsenal?

36 minutes ago, Sluffy said:

I know I got shot down but my mistake wasn't that my logic was wrong it was that I applied it to the wrong table in the accounts and extrapolated the numbers from there.

It was established thanks to DLH that at the start of last season (including the £30m that for various reasons we received a little bit later) the club had £22m in the pot.

Last season's losses need to be deducted from that.

In 2023-24 we had a trading loss of £11m and in 2024-25 £13m so let's say we lost £10m that would mean there being something like £12m in the pot at the start of this season.

As far as we know nothing else has been put in the pot since the £30m and we will not be breaking even this season therefore we will have a trading loss to cover.

The trading loss has to take priority over transfer business.

Meaning that until FV puts more into the pot most if not all of that £12m is committed to fund this season's end of year trading deficit.

That doesn't mean the club has zero transfer budget, FV can simply put the money in later in the year to cover what we may well spend in this window but where the problem is, is that ongoing trading losses in future years need to be planned and budgeted for. The less money remaining in the pot at the end of each season means the greater the club has to reduce costs (or sell players) to keep within budgeted trading losses year on year.

It's a balancing act if you will,

So can we sign anyone?

1 minute ago, Ratwhite said:

So can we sign anyone?

Yes.

We can spend something like £12m that we look to have in the pot but that £12m needs to be replaced by another £10m or so just that we can break even at the end of the season - and that will mean we start the next season with zero in the pot.

The issue is that we will be making another trading loss that season and the one after that and both need to be funded.

We can only put in a maximum of £33m in total covering this year and the two following and if FV put in £10m this year they only leave themselves with £23m to cover their losses for the next two seasons AND for the funding transfer budgets to improve the squad in those two seasons as well.

(That is assuming FV are willing and able to fund another £33m over the next three seasons).

We could add to that sum by selling on players that we've developed (Stephenson I imagine fits that sort of criteria) but we've sort of put all our eggs in one basket if we spend most/all we have in season one and don't make the savings/sales necessary to cover ongoing annual trading losses.

As I say it's all about balancing what we need now against what we need to have to cover the bills at the end of each of the coming seasons.

1 minute ago, Sluffy said:

Yes.

We can spend something like £12m that we look to have in the pot but that £12m needs to be replaced by another £10m or so just that we can break even at the end of the season - and that will mean we start the next season with zero in the pot.

The issue is that we will be making another trading loss that season and the one after that and both need to be funded.

We can only put in a maximum of £33m in total covering this year and the two following and if FV put in £10m this year they only leave themselves with £23m to cover their losses for the next two seasons AND for the funding transfer budgets to improve the squad in those two seasons as well.

(That is assuming FV are willing and able to fund another £33m over the next three seasons).

We could add to that sum by selling on players that we've developed (Stephenson I imagine fits that sort of criteria) but we've sort of put all our eggs in one basket if we spend most/all we have in season one and don't make the savings/sales necessary to cover ongoing annual trading losses.

As I say it's all about balancing what we need now against what we need to have to cover the bills at the end of each of the coming seasons.

Yes would have done pal 😄

Thanks

10-12m seems a fair estimate. Say 2M 5 loans and then you have 8-10M for 5-7 players

Edited July 9Jul 9 by jmjhb

1 minute ago, jmjhb said:

10-12m seems a fair estimate. Say 2-2.5m for loans and then you have 8-10M for 5-7 players

I'm not suggesting the budget IS £10-12m, what I'm suggesting is that is a fair estimate to what we probably have in the pot at the start of this season but ALSO cautioning that annual trading losses for this season and the next two will have to be budgeted for and we live under the SCR cap of only allowing £33m of investment from the owners to be put into the club.

I imagine FV would be more prudent than to empty the pot on year 1 of the 3 they are working to.

Just my opinion though.

Edited July 9Jul 9 by Sluffy

4 hours ago, little whitt said:

At a Guess i would say £5 million

I would have said £5-7 mil . Including signing on fees and agents fees.

I base this on absolutely nothing at all other than it seems about right in my head.