Escobarp Posted July 3, 2017 Share Posted July 3, 2017 Can we stop her from entering Britain? Genuinely don't know the answer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Traf Posted July 3, 2017 Share Posted July 3, 2017 That's the kind of shit ISIS do. I wasn't being entirely serious, but she does need locking up if allowed to re-enter. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Site Supporter Alf Hartigan Posted July 4, 2017 Site Supporter Share Posted July 4, 2017 It all went wrong after Tiswas for that lass Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buckhurstwhite Posted July 4, 2017 Share Posted July 4, 2017 Tickled me that did Alf Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
madthatter Posted July 5, 2017 Share Posted July 5, 2017 (edited) This is from a few years ago but I was still pretty shocked to see it. For anyone that doubts or is unclear on the intentions of large swathes of Islam have a watch. She's honest, eventually, I'll give her that. An ideology that is worse than Nazism in many ways and yet still people defend it. Well intentioned in many cases, but personally I feel anyone defending such a faith may as well go and take a big steamy piss on a poppy wreathe. For balance, there's clearly a power struggle or 'civil war' within Islam and not all share such views; however, that many folk will not even acknowledge such beliefs exist, or the immediate and potential dangers, is scary. Edited July 5, 2017 by madthatter Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators Casino Posted July 5, 2017 Moderators Share Posted July 5, 2017 An ideology that is worse than Nazism in many ways and yet still people defend it. Well intentioned in many cases, but personally I feel anyone defending such a faith may as well go and take a big steamy piss on a poppy wreathe. wtf are you on about which people 'defend' the ideology that involves blowing up kids? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
madthatter Posted July 5, 2017 Share Posted July 5, 2017 wtf are you on about which people 'defend' the ideology that involves blowing up kids? Many say it has nothing to do with Islam or have I dreamt that? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
frank_spencer Posted July 5, 2017 Share Posted July 5, 2017 Many say it has nothing to do with Islam or have I dreamt that?Its not Islam in itself that is the problem.More the relative recent rise in people taking teachings from not right 'scholars' of said faith. Look at the change in Iran and now turkey especially Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Site Supporter Tonge moor green jacket Posted July 5, 2017 Site Supporter Share Posted July 5, 2017 That's the debate now Frank- some of the information presented in recent pages illustrates the historical distain for the Koran as a nasty piece of work and that Islam may indeed be a religion of violence. Ultimately though this may be just semantics- still got to find a way to sort the problem. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
madthatter Posted July 5, 2017 Share Posted July 5, 2017 (edited) Its not Islam in itself that is the problem. More the relative recent rise in people taking teachings from not right 'scholars' of said faith. Look at the change in Iran and now turkey especially Well it depends how far you take it in a philosophical sense I suppose, but the teachings of Islam undeniably call for the killing of non-Muslims. I'd say that is the problem. Yes, many Muslims don't follow that teaching but many do. Listening to US Marines, CIA and British military who have served in Islamic areas, they all seem to suggest that even 'moderate' Muslims would happily kill an American/Brit etc. Granted, they will have an additional axe(s) to grind, which we are also accountable for. As I say above, there is a civil war in Islam right now; like it or not, Islam is the problem I suppose Christianity had nothing to do with the Inquisition? That's the debate now Frank- some of the information presented in recent pages illustrates the historical distain for the Koran as a nasty piece of work and that Islam may indeed be a religion of violence. Ultimately though this may be just semantics- still got to find a way to sort the problem. Yes and no for me. It is semantics but a very important distinction and one that needs to be acknowledged by all, including all Muslims , if this problem is to be addressed in any sort of effective way. Many Muslims will openly acknowledge this mind, but they are usually shouted down by apologists or ten more Muslims that disagree. What's the AA thing, 'you must admit you have a problem before you can attempt to deal with it' or something like that? I think that applies here. Edited July 5, 2017 by madthatter Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Site Supporter Tonge moor green jacket Posted July 5, 2017 Site Supporter Share Posted July 5, 2017 Well it depends how far you take it in a philosophical sense I suppose, but the teachings of Islam undeniably call for the killing of non-Muslims. I'd say that is the problem. Yes, many Muslims don't follow that teaching but many do. Listening to US Marines, CIA and British military who have served in Islamic areas, they all seem to suggest that even 'moderate' Muslims would happily kill an American/Brit etc. Granted, they will have an additional axe(s) to grind, which we are also accountable for. As I say above, there is a civil war in Islam right now; like it or not, Islam is the problem I suppose Christianity had nothing to do with the Inquisition? Yes and no for me. It is semantics but a very important distinction and one that needs to be acknowledges by all, including all Muslims , if this problem is to be addressed in any sort of effective way. Many Muslims will openly acknowledge this mind, but they are usually shouted down by apologists or ten more Muslims that disagree. What's the AA thing, 'you must admit you have a problem before you can attempt to deal with it' or something like that? I think that applies here. Don't disagree mate. If the text does indeed advocate violence then unless they're prepared to change the text or accept that it is outdated then there will always be a problem. Pretty sure there's some bollocks statements in the bible, fortunately in the main Christianity has grown up. To the point where it is less relevant and only the common sense bits taken into society. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
miamiwhite Posted July 5, 2017 Share Posted July 5, 2017 Its not Islam in itself that is the problem. More the relative recent rise in people taking teachings from not right 'scholars' of said faith. Look at the change in Iran and now turkey especially Bloody hell Frank, Islam has been a problem for as long as different interpretations of the Koran have been preached and that my friend is one long fucking time spanning many centuries. Sunni and Shia will never exist and co-habit peacefully.......they ain't got you babe... I take on board what you say though re recent hate preachers and radicalising, and that stems back to my favourite specialist subject of Wahhabi........hang on, I've started so I'll finish... Wahhabism is their way of the Allahway..........these dim twisted bastards are and will self destruct all of Islam into Civil War spaying decades and many countries, we are witnessing it right now in Iraq,Syria,Libya,Iran,Phillipines to name but a few. I mentioned previously the worldonalert twitter feed, take a good look at it. Confused ? Turn into next week's exciting episode of Soap....featuring the Tate-ban and the Campballahs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
madthatter Posted July 5, 2017 Share Posted July 5, 2017 (edited) Don't disagree mate. If the text does indeed advocate violence then unless they're prepared to change the text or accept that it is outdated then there will always be a problem. Pretty sure there's some bollocks statements in the bible, fortunately in the main Christianity has grown up. To the point where it is less relevant and only the common sense bits taken into society. Aye and we wouldn't tolerate any of that bullshit today would we? You also don't get the snowflake, PC brigade out when folk take the piss, rightly or wrongly, when it's Christianity. . . . but start on Islam and . . . Yet another mass hypocrisy in our blinkered and ever increasingly bigoted society. Edited July 5, 2017 by madthatter Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Site Supporter Tonge moor green jacket Posted July 5, 2017 Site Supporter Share Posted July 5, 2017 Therein is the problem, we become so tolerant that we find it difficult to accept it when those that aren't become an issue. I quite like those little vids you posted above; the bloke speaks eloquently and we need MPs to feel able to adopt similar openness without feeling their careers will be over. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
madthatter Posted July 5, 2017 Share Posted July 5, 2017 (edited) Therein is the problem, we become so tolerant that we find it difficult to accept it when those that aren't become an issue. I quite like those little vids you posted above; the bloke speaks eloquently and we need MPs to feel able to adopt similar openness without feeling their careers will be over. This! See the Rotheram/Rochdale rape fiascoes for similar themes. Aye, Douglas Murray speaks ever so well as does Hitchens on such matters. Is it any wonder they stay away from careers in politics? For what it's worth, if someone could present a coherent and logical argument, backed with facts, that would allay my fears about Islam and the dangers of overt, left-wing liberalism then I'd be ecstatic and would change my view in a heartbeat. I always look for balance but on this issue find only faux outrage that shuts down real and genuine outrage. Edited July 5, 2017 by madthatter Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
miamiwhite Posted July 5, 2017 Share Posted July 5, 2017 Which leads nicely onto this report re the Saudis which I touched on yesterday.... Too many brown envelopes involved for the full truth to come out. Wahhabi preachers and their associated funding need banning asap and any cunt caught trying to preach it in our country should be interned or if a foreign national, then kindly fucked off to their backward shithole asap and preach it in Mecca, Medina or Blackburn. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-40496778 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
madthatter Posted July 5, 2017 Share Posted July 5, 2017 Too many brown envelopes involved for the full truth to come out. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-40496778 Just a bit I'm going to go out a limb and say this wont make many front pages . . . And that Corbyn really is a twat 'Labour leader Jeremy Corbyn has called for the immediate suspension of UK arms exports to Saudi Arabia because of its human rights record and involvement in military action in Yemen.' Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
miamiwhite Posted July 5, 2017 Share Posted July 5, 2017 Just a bit I'm going to go out a limb and say this wont make many front pages . . . And that Corbyn really is a twat 'Labour leader Jeremy Corbyn has called for the immediate suspension of UK arms exports to Saudi Arabia because of its human rights record and involvement in military action in Yemen.'[/size] It's about time some one pulled Corbyn the Cunt for his attendance at Al Quds marches in the past where the demented puddled plantpots was a guest speaker. Mind you, Hezbollah are active as fuck smashing ISIS all over the stone shop........it's one fucked up world we live in. With all the technology and forward progression in the world, why are 1.8 billion dimwits blinded by literature from an outdated world ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
madthatter Posted July 5, 2017 Share Posted July 5, 2017 It's about time some one pulled Corbyn the Cunt for his attendance at Al Quds marches in the past where the demented puddled plantpots was a guest speaker. Mind you, Hezbollah are active as fuck smashing ISIS all over the stone shop........it's one fucked up world we live in. With all the technology and forward progression in the world, why are 1.8 billion dimwits blinded by literature from an outdated world ? My guess is the same reason that Pagans here in Europe were converted to Christianity. They can be easily manipulated if their belief is placed in a book and law enforces it. Helps keep those fat faced, harem keeping warmongers shown with TM on the link above at the top of their particular food chain. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
madthatter Posted July 5, 2017 Share Posted July 5, 2017 And for more balance . . . I could kiss this man but I do wonder if he still has a head or at least one with a tongue in it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
miamiwhite Posted July 5, 2017 Share Posted July 5, 2017 For those really interested in under the radar literature, have a read of Prince of Darkness by Laurent Murawiec. Enthralling read and shows just how much advantage the Saudis took of secular nations such as India's troubles with Pakistan and the moderate Muslims in Bosnia after the genocide. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members bolty58 Posted July 6, 2017 Members Share Posted July 6, 2017 And for more balance . . . I could kiss this man but I do wonder if he still has a head or at least one with a tongue in it? Quite possibly the most sensible comments on the subject I have heard from anyone. If however, he himself had not been Arabic, he would have been pilloried as a racist bigot by those who would seek to shut down all such discussion. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
madthatter Posted July 6, 2017 Share Posted July 6, 2017 Quite possibly the most sensible comments on the subject I have heard from anyone. If however, he himself had not been Arabic, he would have been pilloried as a racist bigot by those who would seek to shut down all such discussion. Sad but very true. The guy interviewing him looks a bit uneasy with some of the comments. Imagine Tommy Robinson, who I am no great supporter of but he speaks sense, coming out with that ... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members bolty58 Posted July 6, 2017 Members Share Posted July 6, 2017 Sad but very true. The guy interviewing him looks a bit uneasy with some of the comments. Imagine Tommy Robinson, who I am no great supporter of but he speaks sense, coming out with that ... There'd have been a feral mob of assorted Labour Party apparatchiks and eco-warriors campaigning for him to be hung, drawn and quartered. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
madthatter Posted July 6, 2017 Share Posted July 6, 2017 (edited) There'd have been a feral mob of assorted Labour Party apparatchiks and eco-warriors campaigning for him to be hung, drawn and quartered. It's funny isn't it how many lefties defend Islam (no, not the bombings; but they are inseparable) but seem oblivious to the fact that if Islam had its way they'd be obliterated and the first against the wall. Highlights the madness beautifully. I think it was Stevie B who pointed this out re. gays. I used to consider myself left wing but seriously wouldn't know what left and right terms actually mean these days. Saw P. Hitchens discussing this and he argued the Tories are actually left-wing. As ever, he made a good case . . . For anyone interested. It does have Owen Jones in it but to be fair he keeps his knickers straight this time. Edited July 6, 2017 by madthatter Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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