Sweep Posted December 22, 2022 Share Posted December 22, 2022 1 minute ago, Mounts Kipper said: It ain’t working because we’ve not been able to implement it. We're in charge of our own destiny now....surely this wonderful Government, given the size of it's current majority, can pretty much do what they like? - unless we aren't actually in control of our own destiny of course..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Farrelli Posted December 22, 2022 Share Posted December 22, 2022 13 minutes ago, Mounts Kipper said: It ain’t working because we’ve not been able to implement it. #taking back control #getting brexit done #build back better Three word catch phrases with no substance. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gonzo Posted December 22, 2022 Share Posted December 22, 2022 1 hour ago, L/H White said: has he already signed off for christmas? Corner shops open Chrimbo day round here mate Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Traf Posted December 22, 2022 Share Posted December 22, 2022 1 minute ago, gonzo said: Corner shops open Chrimbo day round here mate Quite right, everyone needs batteries and emergency ale. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mounts Kipper Posted December 22, 2022 Share Posted December 22, 2022 30 minutes ago, Sweep said: We're in charge of our own destiny now....surely this wonderful Government, given the size of it's current majority, can pretty much do what they like? - unless we aren't actually in control of our own destiny of course..... 16 minutes ago, Farrelli said: #taking back control #getting brexit done #build back better Three word catch phrases with no substance. Even our government can be legally challenged… nowt to do with taking back control or Brexit… stupid comments! not sure why I bother replying TBH. Any how Merry Xmas. xx Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mickbrown Posted December 22, 2022 Share Posted December 22, 2022 Just now, Mounts Kipper said: Even our government can be legally challenged… nowt to do with taking back control or Brexit… stupid comments! not sure why I bother replying TBH. Any how Merry Xmas. xx Just do legal stuff then. Simple as fuck Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Site Supporter Spider Posted December 22, 2022 Site Supporter Share Posted December 22, 2022 4 minutes ago, Mounts Kipper said: Even our government can be legally challenged… nowt to do with taking back control or Brexit… stupid comments! not sure why I bother replying TBH. Any how Merry Xmas. xx What legal challenges are you referring to? And surely being in control means just that. Otherwise, what was the point….? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ani Posted December 22, 2022 Share Posted December 22, 2022 37 minutes ago, Mounts Kipper said: It ain’t working because we’ve not been able to implement it. Errr it is in place and was declared legal (with caveats) this week. The comment from Bolty is that having it there is a deterrent , but it is not because the vast vast majority won't be forced down that route, only 200. Maybe look up what happened when Israel did similar with Rwanda ? If we do the max 200 it will cost £1m per head, you know it is a waste of money. Surely you can see the £200m could be better spent elsewhere. The caveats about this being made legal where that money and resources were dedicated to it. I think 99% of people would agree having thousands trying to get here in dinghies is shit fir everyone concerned. Wasting £200m in yet another Govt sound bite from these idiots is not the solution . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Farrelli Posted December 22, 2022 Share Posted December 22, 2022 4 minutes ago, Mounts Kipper said: Even our government can be legally challenged… nowt to do with taking back control or Brexit… stupid comments! not sure why I bother replying TBH. Any how Merry Xmas. xx I’m just showing you that this government says a lot but achieves very little. It has been the same with illegal immigration. It has got steadily worse under their watch because they are full of shit. They are not processing applicants, they have an ill thought out policy with Rwanda and there is no indication they have any long term policy to stop traffickers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sweep Posted December 22, 2022 Share Posted December 22, 2022 3 minutes ago, Mounts Kipper said: Even our government can be legally challenged… nowt to do with taking back control or Brexit… stupid comments! not sure why I bother replying TBH. Any how Merry Xmas. xx I get that, and it's not a dig at you at all, but we were sold the dream that we'd be able to do what we want and be in control of our own borders and who comes and goes. Let's be honest, it doesn't seem that way at the minute does it. The whole Rwanda thing isn't much if a deterrent, as is being shown by the fact the numbers are still increasing. As said before, sink a few dinghies, that could/should be the best deterrent. Failing that, pay our fishermen to blockade the channel (as much as they can) for a few weeks, as well as get as many frigates as we can patrolling the waters, and push them back from whence they came. The Tory Government claims to have a hard stance, they clearly don't, and something has to be done to deter the attempts to cross in the first place Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mounts Kipper Posted December 22, 2022 Share Posted December 22, 2022 (edited) 16 minutes ago, Ani said: Errr it is in place and was declared legal (with caveats) this week. The comment from Bolty is that having it there is a deterrent , but it is not because the vast vast majority won't be forced down that route, only 200. Maybe look up what happened when Israel did similar with Rwanda ? If we do the max 200 it will cost £1m per head, you know it is a waste of money. Surely you can see the £200m could be better spent elsewhere. The caveats about this being made legal where that money and resources were dedicated to it. I think 99% of people would agree having thousands trying to get here in dinghies is shit fir everyone concerned. Wasting £200m in yet another Govt sound bite from these idiots is not the solution . I’ve already said it’s poor value for money, whatever plan the government make will be challenged time and time again, think we need to look at our rules and what conventions we are signed up to, if we don’t like them change them and if necessary leave if we don’t like them and are continually hamstrung by them. Edited December 22, 2022 by Mounts Kipper Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members DazBob Posted December 22, 2022 Members Share Posted December 22, 2022 Right, I've never really looked into the Rwanda deal because I thought it was all a bit unsavoury. ... but having read the last few posts I spotted the 'swap' deal where we swap one refugee for another. Why would we send a refugee to a country that has citizens who could qualify as refugees? Apologies if I'm being a tad dim. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members DazBob Posted December 22, 2022 Members Share Posted December 22, 2022 2 minutes ago, Mounts Kipper said: I’ve already said it’s poor value for money, whatever plan the government make will be challenged time and time again, think we need to look at our rules and what conventions we are signed up to, if we don’t like them change them and if necessary leave if we don’t like them and are continually hamstrung by them. Aye. Sign up for stuff, but if we don't like what we've signed up to then just shrug our shoulders and ignore the terms. #takingbackcontrol. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mounts Kipper Posted December 22, 2022 Share Posted December 22, 2022 4 minutes ago, DazBob said: Aye. Sign up for stuff, but if we don't like what we've signed up to then just shrug our shoulders and ignore the terms. #takingbackcontrol. That is taking back control… the alternative is we continue to do stuff we don’t agree with…. That would be a bit silly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Farrelli Posted December 22, 2022 Share Posted December 22, 2022 45 minutes ago, Mounts Kipper said: That is taking back control… the alternative is we continue to do stuff we don’t agree with…. That would be a bit silly. Like what? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Not in Crawley Posted December 22, 2022 Share Posted December 22, 2022 13 minutes ago, Farrelli said: Like what? That pesky european human rights act? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tomski Posted December 22, 2022 Share Posted December 22, 2022 Having our pants pulled down by Rwanda is a proud moment for us all no doubt. That said if we sent the government to Rwanda I think the deal could just about be worth it. Include Truss and Boris in that too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Farrelli Posted December 22, 2022 Share Posted December 22, 2022 35 minutes ago, Not in Crawley said: That pesky european human rights act? Yes and those annoying EU environmental laws on dumping sewage in rivers. They need to go. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
London Wanderer Posted December 22, 2022 Share Posted December 22, 2022 Mounts really is getting himself into a reet pickle. Take a break lad. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators Carlos Posted December 22, 2022 Moderators Share Posted December 22, 2022 Our beaches, our shite. Control taken back. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mounts Kipper Posted December 22, 2022 Share Posted December 22, 2022 1 hour ago, Farrelli said: Like what? Like stuff we don’t agree with. 13 minutes ago, Farrelli said: Yes and those annoying EU environmental laws on dumping sewage in rivers. They need to go. This can be in the manifesto of the Labour Party, that would be a big vote winner. 👍 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Farrelli Posted December 22, 2022 Share Posted December 22, 2022 4 minutes ago, Carlos said: Our beaches, our shite. Control taken back. Indeed, although during the leave campaign we were told standards would be more stringent. The same with food standards. Does anyone with a straight face believe this lot have the environment and public health high on their agenda? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mounts Kipper Posted December 22, 2022 Share Posted December 22, 2022 6 minutes ago, London Wanderer said: Mounts really is getting himself into a reet pickle. Take a break lad. No pickles here, very simple questions can easily be answered. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators Carlos Posted December 22, 2022 Moderators Share Posted December 22, 2022 Also, we need to also leave the UN, not just the EU, if the criteria is "doing stuff we don't like". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ani Posted December 22, 2022 Share Posted December 22, 2022 2 hours ago, Mounts Kipper said: I’ve already said it’s poor value for money, whatever plan the government make will be challenged time and time again, think we need to look at our rules and what conventions we are signed up to, if we don’t like them change them and if necessary leave if we don’t like them and are continually hamstrung by them. Mate that is what I am saying, stop fucking about with sound bites and unaffordable schemes come up with some workable and process some of the applications. That will involve engaging with 'some of them' such as the leaders in Albania to find out why so many come here. Spend money breaking the traffickers so working with the French etc etc in fact being proper politicians not desperate chancers holding on by their finger nails. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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