Tonge moor green jacket Posted September 17, 2020 Posted September 17, 2020 8 minutes ago, kent_white said: Leaving the EU has made it an inevitability as far as I'm concerned. It's just a matter of time now. And when it happens - we'll be weaker as a result. I've said this since we'll before Brexit. It was one of my reasons for voting remain. I value the UK. A bit pessimistic that. They had the chance and even post brexit, whichever UK government follows this, isnt going to allow another independence referendum straight away without looking at how the land lies. I can't help feeling the SNP project will wither somewhat in a generation or two. Bit like the Welsh cottage burners. Quote
kent_white Posted September 17, 2020 Posted September 17, 2020 7 minutes ago, Tonge moor green jacket said: A bit pessimistic that. They had the chance and even post brexit, whichever UK government follows this, isnt going to allow another independence referendum straight away without looking at how the land lies. I can't help feeling the SNP project will wither somewhat in a generation or two. Bit like the Welsh cottage burners. I disagree - I think that cat is well and truly out of the bag now. Quote
Tonge moor green jacket Posted September 17, 2020 Posted September 17, 2020 1 minute ago, kent_white said: I disagree - I think that cat is well and truly out of the bag now. Well have to wait and see then. Maybe in 5-10 years when Scotland hasn't starved to death some of the impetus will be lost. Alternatively if they're all back crofting then fair enough. It is still a scottish issue though. Quote
Mounts Kipper Posted September 17, 2020 Posted September 17, 2020 If Scotland get the vote and for independence then it’s up to them, while I’d prefer U.K. to continue, nothing is forever. Quote
Tonge moor green jacket Posted September 17, 2020 Posted September 17, 2020 1 minute ago, Mounts Kipper said: If Scotland get the vote and for independence then it’s up to them, while I’d prefer U.K. to continue, nothing is forever. We could all laugh at their Olympic football team I suppose. Quote
Duck Egg Posted September 17, 2020 Posted September 17, 2020 1 hour ago, Tonge moor green jacket said: However plenty of Scots wanted out well before brexit. SNP will continue to fight for it, and if at some point they do vote out, then that's their decision. Be interesting to see what a uk wide referendum offering scotland independence would result in. Agree with that. I think Blair and New Labour recognised it too and tried kicking the can down the road with the devolved parliament. It was inevitable the SNP would keep revisiting this issue. Less predictable was the collapse of any real opposition to them in Scotland. Quote
Sweep Posted September 17, 2020 Posted September 17, 2020 1 hour ago, Tonge moor green jacket said: No UK government is going to push for it- would be political suicide. However plenty of Scots wanted out well before brexit. SNP will continue to fight for it, and if at some point they do vote out, then that's their decision. Be interesting to see what a uk wide referendum offering scotland independence would result in. Although that could and should never be offered. It would like allowing the rest of the EU to be allowed to vote on if the UK should be allowed to leave the EU or not....... Quote
Guest Posted September 17, 2020 Posted September 17, 2020 3 minutes ago, Sweep said: Although that could and should never be offered. It would like allowing the rest of the EU to be allowed to vote on if the UK should be allowed to leave the EU or not....... We’ve left already 3 minutes ago, Sweep said: Although that could and should never be offered. It would like allowing the rest of the EU to be allowed to vote on if the UK should be allowed to leave the EU or not....... Quite different Quote
Mounts Kipper Posted September 17, 2020 Posted September 17, 2020 (edited) What cracks me up about the SNP is they want independence but if they get it they’ll promptly try to join the EU. Edited September 17, 2020 by Mounts Kipper Quote
Guest Posted September 17, 2020 Posted September 17, 2020 15 minutes ago, Mounts Kipper said: What cracks me up about the SNP is they want independence but if they get it they’ll promptly try to join the EU. Who probably won't let them in! Tossers Quote
Tonge moor green jacket Posted September 17, 2020 Posted September 17, 2020 47 minutes ago, Sweep said: Although that could and should never be offered. It would like allowing the rest of the EU to be allowed to vote on if the UK should be allowed to leave the EU or not....... It won't be offered. Purely curious as to which way English folk would vote. Would imagine most of us are pro union, by quite a margin. Quote
Sweep Posted September 17, 2020 Posted September 17, 2020 2 hours ago, Mounts Kipper said: What cracks me up about the SNP is they want independence but if they get it they’ll promptly try to join the EU. I know, that does sound bonkers Quote
Escobarp Posted September 17, 2020 Posted September 17, 2020 11 minutes ago, Sweep said: I know, that does sound bonkers She’s anti English. And that is the bare facts of it. Hates the English hates Westminster and it’s her only desire to leave that legacy as being the first minister to deliver independence. and then as you all point out she will try to get into the EU immediately. Madness Quote
Farrelli Posted September 17, 2020 Posted September 17, 2020 Hate the Scots, hate the Welsh, hate the EU (of course), hate the Irish, hate the French, hate the remainers (unpatriotic traitors), hate immigrants (spongers). Welcome to post brexit UK👍 Quote
Mounts Kipper Posted September 17, 2020 Posted September 17, 2020 (edited) 17 minutes ago, Farrelli said: Hate the Scots, hate the Welsh, hate the EU (of course), hate the Irish, hate the French, hate the remainers (unpatriotic traitors), hate immigrants (spongers). Welcome to post brexit UK👍 Who does? Unpatriotic traitors definitely, all the other folk are wonderful. Edited September 17, 2020 by Mounts Kipper Quote
Cheese Posted September 17, 2020 Posted September 17, 2020 11 minutes ago, Mounts Kipper said: Who does? Unpatriotic traitors definitely, all the other folk are wonderful. How does voting to stay in the EU make someone an "unpatriotic traitor"? In your own words, if possible. Quote
Mounts Kipper Posted September 17, 2020 Posted September 17, 2020 13 minutes ago, Cheese said: How does voting to stay in the EU make someone an "unpatriotic traitor"? In your own words, if possible. I only referenced unpatriotic traitors. Quote
Escobarp Posted September 17, 2020 Posted September 17, 2020 26 minutes ago, Mounts Kipper said: Who does? Unpatriotic traitors definitely, all the other folk are wonderful. Why would you even give the comment oxygen mate in the first place. Not worth it Quote
Mounts Kipper Posted September 17, 2020 Posted September 17, 2020 Just now, Escobarp said: Why would you even give the comment oxygen mate in the first place. Not worth it Aye, you’re right. Quote
Cheese Posted September 17, 2020 Posted September 17, 2020 1 minute ago, Mounts Kipper said: I only referenced unpatriotic traitors. Then you obviously didn't read Farrelli's post properly before you replied to it. Quote
Casino Posted September 17, 2020 Posted September 17, 2020 Out of interest, why would she hate the English I know its bollocks but im in need of amusement Quote
Escobarp Posted September 17, 2020 Posted September 17, 2020 6 minutes ago, Casino said: Out of interest, why would she hate the English I know its bollocks but im in need of amusement Have never asked her why as haven’t had the chance. Believe it’s bollocks if you wish. Your prerogative Quote
mickbrown Posted September 17, 2020 Posted September 17, 2020 Why wouldn’t Scotland want to be in the EU? How is that connected to independence? Quote
Cheese Posted September 17, 2020 Posted September 17, 2020 41 minutes ago, Casino said: Out of interest, why would she hate the English I know its bollocks but im in need of amusement Good luck getting an answer from any of the sheep who make that claim. Quote
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