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[miamiwhite]

Just now, Spider said:

An example of a manc setting off a bomb 😑

I know you don’t like them, I personally have no issue with someone genuinely fleeing a war zone or a situation where their lives are in danger and looking to us for help.

The ones that aren’t genuine are weeded out (not always I expect), but for every asylum seeker that carries out a crime, my money is on their being just as many locals doing bad shit.

Its easy to blame them for all our ills when the reality is that we’ve got enough anyway.

Son of an asylum seeker who was known to MI5,MI6 etc. We need to do thorough checks on their backgrounds before granting them asylum.

We have enough shithouses in this country without adding to it to terrorists disguised as asylum seekers.

[miamiwhite]

9 minutes ago, Spider said:

Immigration needs tight controls, I know that. 

But the suggestion that tens of thousands of them are landing every day and tanking the economy and destroying our way of life is a massive over reaction.

The EU will be less inclined to help us control the flow next year I would imagine, which is why Patel is flapping a bit.

 

Once again, you're inflating figures and talking crap

 

Tell Kent social services they're not being impacted......the article is from one of your beloved rags.

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2020/aug/17/kent-unable-to-take-in-more-unaccompanied-child-refugees

[Mounts Kipper]

1 hour ago, Ani said:

So asylum seekers can only get here by flying ? 
And if you are being honest do you think increased immigration from India and Pakistan is a consequence of Brexit that people understood ?  

Asylum seekers through official channels is the only way. Second point, yes, it was mentioned countless times during the Brexit debate, mainly by farage. 

[Winchester White]

1 hour ago, paulhanley said:

Remainers don't like being reminded of their weasely, democracy denying past and how each of their shroud waving predictions have failed to materialise. It tends to discredit whatever sour-grapes inspired drivel they are spouting in the present moment. Or in short the remainer plot was lost quite some time ago. Its just that some are still to realise. 

Forget all that, we are leaving.

What I want is this oven ready fantastic deal Boris promised us. You know, the one he signed in January and is now so shit that he ia willing to break the law to amend it. That means he (his Government) either fucked up, lied to Parliament & the public or maybe both.

 

[deane koontz]

Aah the memories. Make the Brexit thread great again ❤️

[Ani]

4 minutes ago, Mounts Kipper said:

Asylum seekers through official channels is the only way. Second point, yes, it was mentioned countless times during the Brexit debate, mainly by farage. 

Given you can only apply for asylum once you are already here or when you get to border and you are not allowing any from EU. Flight is only option. Not sure there is anything other than official channels to apply for asylum. 
On the second point that is simply not true. It was raised after the vote but barely mentioned during the campaign. That is a fault of the Leave campaign but to say it was mentioned countless times is not true. Lot of talk about an Aussie type points system but little if anything about the impact of that on the mix of people we will see coming here. 
 

 

[Ani]

8 minutes ago, Winchester White said:

Forget all that, we are leaving.

What I want is this oven ready fantastic deal Boris promised us. You know, the one he signed in January and is now so shit that he ia willing to break the law to amend it. That means he (his Government) either fucked up, lied to Parliament & the public or maybe both.

 

And a simple explanation of how the Irish border will work. 
 

And confirmation that No Deal is not really just an option just a negotiating tool. 

[Ani]

5 minutes ago, Ani said:

Given you can only apply for asylum once you are already here or when you get to border and you are not allowing any from EU. Flight is only option. Not sure there is anything other than official channels to apply for asylum. 
On the second point that is simply not true. It was raised after the vote but barely mentioned during the campaign. That is a fault of the Leave campaign but to say it was mentioned countless times is not true. Lot of talk about an Aussie type points system but little if anything about the impact of that on the mix of people we will see coming here. 
 

 

https://www.yorkshirepost.co.uk/news/nigel-farage-says-controversial-anti-migrant-poster-won-referendum-brexit-556699

[miamiwhite]

23 minutes ago, Ani said:

https://www.yorkshirepost.co.uk/news/nigel-farage-says-controversial-anti-migrant-poster-won-referendum-brexit-556699

I always remember this article, when the Asian community already raised and settled here, were more concerned re the lnflux of migrants from the EU, not a bad article

 

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2016/jun/01/british-asians-views-eu-referendum-figures-brexit

[miamiwhite]

1 minute ago, miamiwhite said:

I always remember this article, when the Asian community already raised and settled here, were more concerned re the lnflux of migrants from the EU, not a bad article

 

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2016/jun/01/british-asians-views-eu-referendum-figures-brexit

The above article was pretty accurate in its prediction on how the BAME community would vote re Brexit as well, I think it roughly 31% of them voted to leave.

Does that mean the BAME people who voted to leave are old thick racists too 🤔 😉 😜 

[Mounts Kipper]

38 minutes ago, Ani said:

Given you can only apply for asylum once you are already here or when you get to border and you are not allowing any from EU. Flight is only option. Not sure there is anything other than official channels to apply for asylum. 
On the second point that is simply not true. It was raised after the vote but barely mentioned during the campaign. That is a fault of the Leave campaign but to say it was mentioned countless times is not true. Lot of talk about an Aussie type points system but little if anything about the impact of that on the mix of people we will see coming here. 
 

 

We took lots of kids from camps in Syria, that’s how it should be done, but unfortunately we cannot solve all the worlds ills and take in unlimited asylum seekers, nor continue to allow asylum seekers to be illegally cross the channel, on the second point we will agree to disagree. 

Edited October 1, 2020 by Mounts Kipper

[Tonge moor green jacket]

2 hours ago, Ani said:

So asylum seekers can only get here by flying ? 
And if you are being honest do you think increased immigration from India and Pakistan is a consequence of Brexit that people understood ?  

Increases in immigration from elsewhere aren't/wont be as a consequence of brexit. They have been as a consequence of current immigration policies. The numbers will be proportional to the requirements of industry etc, so long as the new policies are effective. 

[paulhanley]

1 hour ago, Winchester White said:

Forget all that, we are leaving.

What I want is this oven ready fantastic deal Boris promised us. You know, the one he signed in January and is now so shit that he ia willing to break the law to amend it. That means he (his Government) either fucked up, lied to Parliament & the public or maybe both.

 

Calm down dear. We left on January 31 by the way. 

You keep putting your remainer spin on things. As the history of the last four years or more proves, remainers consistently get things wrong. If remainers say it, the opposite will happen. 

[Sweep]

3 minutes ago, paulhanley said:

Calm down dear. We left on January 31 by the way. 

You keep putting your remainer spin on things. As the history of the last four years or more proves, remainers consistently get things wrong. If remainers say it, the opposite will happen. 

Quick question Paul, do you think that our Government is handling this well at present? - we don't need one of your usual very long condescending answers, just a yes or no please

[mickbrown]

4 minutes ago, Sweep said:

Quick question Paul, do you think that our Government is handling this well at present? - we don't need one of your usual very long condescending answers, just a yes or no please

Good luck with that

[DazBob]

46 minutes ago, miamiwhite said:

Does that mean the BAME people who voted to leave are old thick racists too 🤔 😉 😜 

As has been said many times, not all Leave voters are thick, old racists.

However,  all thick, old racists voted Leave.

[paulhanley]

5 minutes ago, Sweep said:

Quick question Paul, do you think that our Government is handling this well at present? - we don't need one of your usual very long condescending answers, just a yes or no please

Negotions with the EU? 

Yes. 

They are playing hardball with the EU. Playing them at their own game. And they don't like it. 

Meanwhile deals with other nations are quietly being done. Japan first. 

[miamiwhite]

6 minutes ago, DazBob said:

As has been said many times, not all Leave voters are thick, old racists.

However,  all thick, old racists voted Leave.

Can you actually prove that every single thick racist voted leave ?  

I don't think you can.

[Spider]

8 minutes ago, paulhanley said:

Negotions with the EU? 

Yes. 

They are playing hardball with the EU. Playing them at their own game. And they don't like it. 

Meanwhile deals with other nations are quietly being done. Japan first. 

What did Boris mean when he said oven ready?

[paulhanley]

3 minutes ago, Spider said:

What did Boris mean when he said oven ready

Lectures from remainers are swimming in high handed and haughty hypocrisy. What did Hammond, Swinson, Starmer and the rest mean when they said they'd respect the vote only to snidily spend the next 3 years doing everything in their powers to undermine it?

We have left. Both sides are playing hard ball and brinkmanship in the trade talks. We've seen how the EU operate in such talks. Fair play. But then they shouldn't whine when they get a taste of their own medicine. 

Meanwhile the rest of the world is open to us. And we to them. 

[Spider]

1 minute ago, paulhanley said:

Lectures from remainers are swimming in high handed and haughty hypocrisy. What did Hammond, Swinson, Starmer and the rest mean when they said they'd respect the vote only to snidily spend the next 3 years doing everything in their powers to undermine it?

We have left. Both sides are playing hard ball and brinkmanship in the trade talks. We've seen how the EU operate in such talks. Fair play. But then they shouldn't whine when they get a taste of their own medicine. 

Meanwhile the rest of the world is open to us. And we to them. 

I’ll just repeat the question

What did Boris mean when he said oven ready

[paulhanley]

7 minutes ago, Spider said:

I’ll just repeat the question

What did Boris mean when he said oven ready

And I will repeat mine. What did remainers mean when they said they'd respect the vote? 

Like remain folk generally you regally assume the moral high ground. The performance we had from 2016-19 means you've abrogated your right to such territory. However you're so cocooned in your own rectitude you cant see it. 

Game over. We have left. If the EU show their usual last second pragmatism there'll be deal. Either way the world awaits the United Kingdom. Lots of ovens. Lots of readiness. 

Edited October 1, 2020 by paulhanley

[paulhanley]

1 minute ago, paulhanley said:

 

 

Edited October 1, 2020 by paulhanley

[Spider]

Just now, paulhanley said:

And I will repeat mine. What did remainers mean when they said they'd respect the vote? 

Like remain folk generally you really assume the moral high ground. The performance we had from 2016-19 means you've abrogated your right to such territory. However you're so cocooned in your own rectitude you cant see it. 

Game over. We have left. If the EU show their usual last second pragmatism there'll be deal. Either way the world awaits the United Kingdom. Lots of ovens. Lots of readiness. 

I’m calling standard playground rules now, since you seem to be getting all sweaty and upset.

I will - pwomise - answer your question after you answer mine. But I asked first so let’s go with you then me.

I don’t wish to sound patronising (you DO know what patronising means don’t you), but your replies are all over the place. Keep it simple cocker:

What did Boris mean when he said oven ready

[miamiwhite]

2 minutes ago, paulhanley said:

And I will repeat mine. What did remainers mean when they said they'd respect the vote? 

Like remain folk generally you regally assume the moral high ground. The performance we had from 2016-19 means you've abrogated your right to such territory. However you're so cocooned in your own rectitude you cant see it. 

Game over. We have left. If the EU show their usual last second pragmatism there'll be deal. Either way the world awaits the United Kingdom. Lots of ovens. Lots of readiness. 

Ask him how the tide of asylum seekers has impacted Kent County Council and their social services, he'll soon go away.