Politics

[Rudy]

15 minutes ago, Spider said:

I see it’s become law that we will no longer have the same food standards now we’ve left the EU

The yanks won’t give us a trade deal unless we take away the unnecessary insistence we have of informing consumers where their food comes from.

I’m open to suggestions about why this is a good idea. I have only read into it in brief.

Chlorinated chicken innit

[Tonge moor green jacket]

3 hours ago, Spider said:

I see it’s become law that we will no longer have the same food standards now we’ve left the EU

The yanks won’t give us a trade deal unless we take away the unnecessary insistence we have of informing consumers where their food comes from.

I’m open to suggestions about why this is a good idea. I have only read into it in brief.

It hasn't.

 

[Ani]

3 hours ago, Spider said:

I see it’s become law that we will no longer have the same food standards now we’ve left the EU

The yanks won’t give us a trade deal unless we take away the unnecessary insistence we have of informing consumers where their food comes from.

I’m open to suggestions about why this is a good idea. I have only read into it in brief.

It is not law that we do not have same standards. What has changed is that we do not have to be tied to their standards. We now can set our own standards which is pretty much what Brexit was all about. 
A Remainer would argue this is likely to lead to a reduction in standards to facilitate trade deals. A Leaver would argue it does not mean that and not being tied to French standards on horse meat is good issue. 
Worried about shit beef and chicken ? Use your local butchers. 

Edited October 25, 2020 by Ani

[Tonge moor green jacket]

16 minutes ago, Ani said:

It is not law that we do not have same standards. What has changed is that we do not have to be tied to their standards. We now can set our own standards which is pretty much what Brexit was all about. 
A Remainer would argue this is likely to lead to a reduction in standards to facilitate trade deals. A Leaver would argue it does not mean that and not being tied to French standards on horse meat is good issue. 
Worried about shit beef and chicken ? Use your local butchers. 

Indeed. It has been said that eu standards will be put into law soon as a basic level. We should be able to then tweak as necessary next year.

Going to stop export of live animals supposedly too.

Proof of the pudding etc...

[Spider]

Fair enough, didn’t know one way or the other.

Will meat still have country of origin on it then?

[Ani]

33 minutes ago, Spider said:

Fair enough, didn’t know one way or the other.

Will meat still have country of origin on it then?

Rules not agreed yet. 

[Spider]

49 minutes ago, Ani said:

Rules not agreed yet. 

What’s the American stance?

[Casino]

Exactly

#takingbackcontrol

[Tonge moor green jacket]

4 hours ago, Spider said:

What’s the American stance?

Fuck em. 

[Spider]

23 minutes ago, Tonge moor green jacket said:

Fuck em. 

Well yes

But

Don't we need a fancy trade deal with them?

Will they insist that food provenance is kept off labelling? Something made easier by the recent changes voted for in parliament.

Just checking...

[Tonge moor green jacket]

12 hours ago, Spider said:

Well yes

But

Don't we need a fancy trade deal with them?

Will they insist that food provenance is kept off labelling? Something made easier by the recent changes voted for in parliament.

Just checking...

We'll have to wait and see.

Consumers can easily drive this too, as Ani says, go to your local Butcher and buy British.

 

[Guest]

4 minutes ago, Tonge moor green jacket said:

We'll have to wait and see.

Consumers can easily drive this too, as Ani says, go to your local Butcher and buy British.

 

Our largest trading partner anyway

[Tonge moor green jacket]

4 minutes ago, boltondiver said:

Our largest trading partner anyway

Food is a very emotive issue, though many consumers will happily complain and then buy the cheapest product.

Allowing poorer standard imports, partially hidden behind non labels isn't the way to go though for me, and I'm fairly confident they won't go that way. Even if only because the farming community provides a lot of Conservative support and they won't want to jeopardise that.

[Casino]

4 minutes ago, Tonge moor green jacket said:

many consumers then buy the cheapest product

I wonder why?

[Nowack]

Not sure local butcher necessarily means buying British meat.

[Casino]

We have a local butcher

I'd never dream of going as the supermarket suits me but my Mrs tried twice

Both times she felt like it was a local shop for local folk if you know what I mean

She felt like she was walking into a private little club

Tbf it has a good rep but she won't be going back

[Mounts Kipper]

We’ve switched to good quality local Butcher since lockdown, so much better enjoying my food more than before. Anyone who lives up Chorley area try them out butchers at Heskin Hall. 

[Nowack]

I also use the local butcher and if he thinks the pork from Namibia tastes better that the stuff from Norfolk then he will be getting the African stuff in and charging accordingly.

[Sweep]

2 hours ago, Nowack said:

Not sure local butcher necessarily means buying British meat.

Of course, those who think that everything in a local butchers is British are very naive. We use our local butcher a lot, and generally his product is locally source, and he says when it is. I often order horse burgers from him, and they're definitely not from the UK, I think he has to import them from France.

[Farrelli]

 

[Tonge moor green jacket]

56 minutes ago, Sweep said:

Of course, those who think that everything in a local butchers is British are very naive. We use our local butcher a lot, and generally his product is locally source, and he says when it is. I often order horse burgers from him, and they're definitely not from the UK, I think he has to import them from France.

Not naive at all. Any person selling a product with false origin claim is running a huge risk, and I reckon the concept of loads shifting stuff under a false claim is naive. Some chances will of course, but your long established businesses aren't likely to risk it.

[Tonge moor green jacket]

2 hours ago, Casino said:

I wonder why?

Maybe the don't give a fuck generally?

Your reductionist hint doesn't really stand up. Not everyone is skint.

[Sweep]

1 hour ago, Tonge moor green jacket said:

Not naive at all. Any person selling a product with false origin claim is running a huge risk, and I reckon the concept of loads shifting stuff under a false claim is naive. Some chances will of course, but your long established businesses aren't likely to risk it.

I'm not suggesting that local butchers claim anything falsely, in fact very far from it. What I'm saying is that not everything in them is British. Anything that is local, they generally (and quite rightly) advertise as  British or local. There is plenty of stuff in Butchers up and down the country that they buy from wholesale, that may well not be British.....such as lamb and beef. Our local place, sells British beef, and he also sells beef...he doesn't say where it comes from, I'm sure if I asked he'd tell me, but judging by the fact it's lower in price, I'd expect it's not from here. Same with Lamb, he'll sell Welsh, New Zealand and then also just "lamb" all three have different price points, and give customer choice.

[Ani]

1 hour ago, Sweep said:

I'm not suggesting that local butchers claim anything falsely, in fact very far from it. What I'm saying is that not everything in them is British. Anything that is local, they generally (and quite rightly) advertise as  British or local. There is plenty of stuff in Butchers up and down the country that they buy from wholesale, that may well not be British.....such as lamb and beef. Our local place, sells British beef, and he also sells beef...he doesn't say where it comes from, I'm sure if I asked he'd tell me, but judging by the fact it's lower in price, I'd expect it's not from here. Same with Lamb, he'll sell Welsh, New Zealand and then also just "lamb" all three have different price points, and give customer choice.

Ours has a sign up every day saying farm supplies the various meats they are selling. No other. 

[Duck Egg]

I tried going to the local butchers once instead of the supermarket and it was a pretty traumatic experience. 

It was packed in there and everyone seemed to know what they were doing and were ordering all sorts of cuts of meat I'd never heard of.  I just wanted bacon and a pack from Tesco used to come to about £2.89 so I asked for £3 worth.

Unfortunately the butcher thought I meant 3lbs of bacon and chucked this huge wedge on the counter and asked me for about 7 quid.  The shop was so busy I was too embarrassed to say anything and just paid up.  I think we only finished the last of it the other month.