Politics

[Not in Crawley]

54 minutes ago, Lt. Aldo Raine said:

The Migration Observatory's own data would support the assumption

I've got my data out, you've got yours, lets have a big old data wang. Or lets not as I'm due in a zoom call in five.

But as I say, you've gone off on a bit of a tangent about the point the origional post was making about lsitening to expertise.

Anyway, don't worry Mounts - when I have five I'll get back to you. In the meantime, you could also arm yourself by reading what the Schengen work and looking at that in the context of illegal immigration.

But, as you've forgotten more than most people know, I'm sure you won't have to.

 

[DirtySanchez]

7 minutes ago, Ani said:

Given they have been paying in since 1972 via NI and then with inflation it seems reasonable. In 1972 average wage was about £1800 per year compared to £30000 now, hardly surprising is it ? 

If you had a high earning job by the standards for each year from 1972, could it be possible that you've paid in more than you receive given the figure quoted is an average 

So not a benefit

[Mounts Kipper]

14 minutes ago, Not in Crawley said:

I've got my data out, you've got yours, lets have a big old data wang. Or lets not as I'm due in a zoom call in five.

But as I say, you've gone off on a bit of a tangent about the point the origional post was making about lsitening to expertise.

Anyway, don't worry Mounts - when I have five I'll get back to you. In the meantime, you could also arm yourself by reading what the Schengen work and looking at that in the context of illegal immigration.

But, as you've forgotten more than most people know, I'm sure you won't have to.

 

I will await your nuggets of info that proves that Schengen and freedom of movement played no part in mass immigration. 

Edited December 6, 2023 by Mounts Kipper

[Lt. Aldo Raine]

20 minutes ago, Not in Crawley said:

I've got my data out, you've got yours, lets have a big old data wang. Or lets not as I'm due in a zoom call in five.

But as I say, you've gone off on a bit of a tangent about the point the origional post was making about lsitening to expertise.

Anyway, don't worry Mounts - when I have five I'll get back to you. In the meantime, you could also arm yourself by reading what the Schengen work and looking at that in the context of illegal immigration.

But, as you've forgotten more than most people know, I'm sure you won't have to.

 

I'm just pointing out that the data Portes posted doesn't disprove the claim it was posted in response to (irrespective of whether that claim is right or wrong)

Ps. my data comes from the same source as yours 🙂

[wanderer1984]

12 hours ago, bolty58 said:

There are only a few obsessed with brown skin who repeatedly raise the issue on here.

If there are genuine racists amongst us, ask yourself who are likely to be the real ones. Those who never, ever make a comment about brown skin or those who seem to be obsessed by it?

 

 

[Not in Crawley]

I'm not racist, but I'm certainly a snob 🙂

[Not in Crawley]

55 minutes ago, Lt. Aldo Raine said:

I'm just pointing out that the data Portes posted doesn't disprove the claim it was posted in response to (irrespective of whether that claim is right or wrong)

Ps. my data comes from the same source as yours 🙂

Yeah, well my data is like the biggest and bestest data and I was just pointing out you missed my point in your pointing out your point, man.

 

[DirtySanchez]

14 hours ago, bolty58 said:

Go wipe some shit on some curtains you humourless gimp.

Too easy 

[Nowack]

1 hour ago, wanderer1984 said:

 

 

Are you actually posting a comment from someone in the pub to prove a point? Apologies if Zeek is a well know philosopher or great thinker.

[wanderer1984]

29 minutes ago, Nowack said:

Are you actually posting a comment from someone in the pub to prove a point? Apologies if Zeek is a well know philosopher or great thinker.

Not trying to prove anything. It's an opinion.

I'm not sure who he is or what he does. You're free to find out though 👍🏻

[captainmed]

No Hillsborough law passed I see.

Shame.

All will be sorted soon when the lefties take over. 

And what a strange day to announce it when all the focus is on the Covid enquiry.

It’s almost as though the Govt feel it’s had enough front page news over the years…..

 

 

Edited December 6, 2023 by captainmed

[Not in Crawley]

1 hour ago, Nowack said:

Are you actually posting a comment from someone in the pub to prove a point? Apologies if Zeek is a well know philosopher or great thinker.

He's a semi well know right wing pro-Trump podcaster who gets followings because he's black and speaks out about things like critical race theory and generally 'tells it like it is' - he might be (or still is) a policeman, can't recall.

[Not in Crawley]

4 hours ago, Mounts Kipper said:

I will await your nuggets of info that proves that Schengen and freedom of movement played no part in mass immigration. 

Sorry - busy.

Still, as the trains are up the spout today I have half an hour in Costa, so to keep me old hand warm.

You are still looking at it too simply - one thing equals another - and as such you are awaiting an answers to the wrong question (that Schengen doesn't play any part in immigration) its this over simplification of much bigger issues and wanting easy ansers to more complex questions that leads us to things like Brexit, Populism etc etc Which is turn is helpful for those in power - the government, the banks - keeps us en masse focused on the the poor, the socieital 'other', and yes the migrant and so those in power - elected or otherwise - can keep on getting away with things like Brexit, the mess of Covid and the money made from it, tax payer bail outs for mismanagment of the global economy (which I'd say was the powderkeg explosion for everything we have seen since) Why am I waffling about this? (maybe because I ordered a double expresso shot) but really its to show how your contention that an agreement of (and not only - lest we forget) freedom of travel between EU member states is a problem because illegal immigration is effectinbg Britian

This is based on two things. Firstly, if people fleeing civil war, human rights violations etc are stopped in say Greece or Spain, it become less of an issue for those in the UK blaming economic freedom of travel between states, and secondly - and perhaps most importantly, the Schengen arrangement when set up - in 1985 no less and the Convention came into being in 1995 -iIrregular migration - the movement of people from non-EU countries across EU borders without complying with the legal requirements for entry, stay, or residence in one or more EU countries, wasn't so much of a problem because of a range of global political issues (you can't expect the West's involvement to have no impact on the displacement of citizens) and so in 2016 a resolution was brought to the EU Parliment to tackle a an issue that was not of the Schengen arrangement's making such as systematic check at the EU's boarders on everyone enetering the EU, including EU citizens and in spring this year there is new screening alongside things like the EBCG set up in 2016 and in two years there will be another 10k boarder gurads plus IBMF have been allocated 6.24 billion for EU states to increase their processing and rejection or acceptance of iregular migrates.

So, the point this morning that you made that Schengen is the issue with illegal immigants ignores as I say economics, history and politics and seeks to boil down all these strands into a put a bigger boarder up and keep 'them' out, of which Schengen or not, you won't be able to do without  partnership systems because of the global political issues of increased migration and as have been outlined, to improve both the lot of the countries involved and the people who have left their homes without stopping EU citizens freely moving between countries, in which internal immigration has helped EU intergation and economies. And if indeed, its more of an issue in that is something that you personally are against European nations becoming closer, than that's a different issue and the 17:20 is finally due.

[Casino]

Jenrick resigns

Just fuck off

Election noe

[Casino]

And ive just seen cooper destroy not so cleverley

[DirtySanchez]

28 minutes ago, Casino said:

Jenrick resigns

Just fuck off

Election noe

Bobby brown envelopes

See Greenwich CIL 

[Not in Crawley]

1 hour ago, Casino said:

Jenrick resigns

Just fuck off

Election noe

Going well innit?

I'm getting more swayed by a May GE at the moment.

[Cheese]

Sending 100 people to Rwanda will surely solve this.

https://www.unicef.org/globalinsight/media/3291/file/UNICEF-Innocenti-Report-Card-18-Child-Poverty-Amidst-Wealth-2023.pdf

[Casino]

26 minutes ago, Not in Crawley said:

Going well innit?

I'm getting more swayed by a May GE at the moment.

Not sure he can last that long

Jenrick as HS, Braverman as PM

Deary me

Im actually embarrassed by this country

Telling judges...you will believe something

What have we become?

[Mounts Kipper]

2 hours ago, Not in Crawley said:

Sorry - busy.

Still, as the trains are up the spout today I have half an hour in Costa, so to keep me old hand warm.

You are still looking at it too simply - one thing equals another - and as such you are awaiting an answers to the wrong question (that Schengen doesn't play any part in immigration) its this over simplification of much bigger issues and wanting easy ansers to more complex questions that leads us to things like Brexit, Populism etc etc Which is turn is helpful for those in power - the government, the banks - keeps us en masse focused on the the poor, the socieital 'other', and yes the migrant and so those in power - elected or otherwise - can keep on getting away with things like Brexit, the mess of Covid and the money made from it, tax payer bail outs for mismanagment of the global economy (which I'd say was the powderkeg explosion for everything we have seen since) Why am I waffling about this? (maybe because I ordered a double expresso shot) but really its to show how your contention that an agreement of (and not only - lest we forget) freedom of travel between EU member states is a problem because illegal immigration is effectinbg Britian

This is based on two things. Firstly, if people fleeing civil war, human rights violations etc are stopped in say Greece or Spain, it become less of an issue for those in the UK blaming economic freedom of travel between states, and secondly - and perhaps most importantly, the Schengen arrangement when set up - in 1985 no less and the Convention came into being in 1995 -iIrregular migration - the movement of people from non-EU countries across EU borders without complying with the legal requirements for entry, stay, or residence in one or more EU countries, wasn't so much of a problem because of a range of global political issues (you can't expect the West's involvement to have no impact on the displacement of citizens) and so in 2016 a resolution was brought to the EU Parliment to tackle a an issue that was not of the Schengen arrangement's making such as systematic check at the EU's boarders on everyone enetering the EU, including EU citizens and in spring this year there is new screening alongside things like the EBCG set up in 2016 and in two years there will be another 10k boarder gurads plus IBMF have been allocated 6.24 billion for EU states to increase their processing and rejection or acceptance of iregular migrates.

So, the point this morning that you made that Schengen is the issue with illegal immigants ignores as I say economics, history and politics and seeks to boil down all these strands into a put a bigger boarder up and keep 'them' out, of which Schengen or not, you won't be able to do without  partnership systems because of the global political issues of increased migration and as have been outlined, to improve both the lot of the countries involved and the people who have left their homes without stopping EU citizens freely moving between countries, in which internal immigration has helped EU intergation and economies. And if indeed, its more of an issue in that is something that you personally are against European nations becoming closer, than that's a different issue and the 17:20 is finally due.

Waffle all you like, not one fact disputing my assertions, the fact is open borders have played a part in folk taking a chance on illegally entering Europe and allowed them to pass unchecked into every corner of the EU and that is a major contributor in people attempting to cross the channel. 

[Tonge moor green jacket]

2 minutes ago, Mounts Kipper said:

Waffle all you like, not one fact disputing my assertions, the fact is open borders have played a part in folk taking a chance on illegally entering Europe and allowed them to pass unchecked into every corner of the EU and that is a major contributor in people attempting to cross the channel. 

Worth also noting that under the agreement whereby nations would send them back to the first EU nation they arrived on; the numbers actually returned are paltry.

 

[Cheese]

9 minutes ago, Tonge moor green jacket said:

Worth also noting that under the agreement whereby nations would send them back to the first EU nation they arrived on; the numbers actually returned are paltry.

We're not in the EU. How's that working out for us?

[Not in Crawley]

38 minutes ago, Mounts Kipper said:

Waffle all you like, not one fact disputing my assertions, the fact is open borders have played a part in folk taking a chance on illegally entering Europe and allowed them to pass unchecked into every corner of the EU and that is a major contributor in people attempting to cross the channel. 

So that's a I didn't massively understand it and I'm going to still bellow my bollocks then?

Good oh - why change the habit of a Brexit lifetime, eh?

As I say, it's a religion, and I admire your unreconstructed faith. I'd love my life to be as simple as yours, must be bliss. They say ignorance is, after all.

[Not in Crawley]

22 minutes ago, Cheese said:

We're not in the EU. How's that working out for us?

It's all going brilliantly, haven't you heard?

And if it isn't, it's not the fact that we've left.

And if that's not the case, we knew there would be pain but then it'll get better.

These lot have more blind faith than monks.

[Cheese]

11 minutes ago, Not in Crawley said:

It's all going brilliantly, haven't you heard?

And if it isn't, it's not the fact that we've left.

And if that's not the case, we knew there would be pain but then it'll get better.

These lot have more blind faith than monks.

You'll be eating your words in 100 years.