Mounts Kipper Posted May 30, 2019 Share Posted May 30, 2019 25 minutes ago, birch-chorley said: From what I can see he’s saying WTO is a complete bag of shit vs free trade, in sure most sane people would agree He then goes on to say that we could spend years trying to get from WTO to a new deal but the key issues will be the same, so why fuck about wasting years when we can just take a deal now and move on I think he’s right, it seems a pragmatic approach to me The problem is the deal on offer might not allow us to move on, the interview is just another attempt at pushing the deal already on the table. I have to ask the question if Stewart is as intelligent as he’s supposed to be then why is he running for PM with same message and championing the WA that’s already been rebuffed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Site Supporter Cheese Posted May 30, 2019 Site Supporter Share Posted May 30, 2019 10 minutes ago, Mounts Kipper said: The problem is the deal on offer might not allow us to move on, the interview is just another attempt at pushing the deal already on the table. I have to ask the question if Stewart is as intelligent as he’s supposed to be then why is he running for PM with same message and championing the WA that’s already been rebuffed. Can you explain why he's wrong then? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Site Supporter only1swanny Posted May 30, 2019 Site Supporter Share Posted May 30, 2019 Fiona Bruce just annoys me on question time. Seems determined to interrupt people mid flow .. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
birch-chorley Posted May 30, 2019 Share Posted May 30, 2019 20 minutes ago, Mounts Kipper said: The problem is the deal on offer might not allow us to move on, the interview is just another attempt at pushing the deal already on the table. I have to ask the question if Stewart is as intelligent as he’s supposed to be then why is he running for PM with same message and championing the WA that’s already been rebuffed. Might not allow us to move on? WTO might not allow us to move on, we would still have to negotiate a long term agreement with the EU, same contentious areas of negotiation that we have now Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Salford Trotter Posted May 30, 2019 Share Posted May 30, 2019 25 minutes ago, Mounts Kipper said: The problem is the deal on offer might not allow us to move on, the interview is just another attempt at pushing the deal already on the table. I have to ask the question if Stewart is as intelligent as he’s supposed to be then why is he running for PM with same message and championing the WA that’s already been rebuffed. You are happy to support the WA deal though Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mounts Kipper Posted May 30, 2019 Share Posted May 30, 2019 (edited) 14 minutes ago, Salford Trotter said: You are happy to support the WA deal though Only with amend to the backstop. Edited May 30, 2019 by Mounts Kipper Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mounts Kipper Posted May 30, 2019 Share Posted May 30, 2019 (edited) 25 minutes ago, birch-chorley said: Might not allow us to move on? WTO might not allow us to move on, we would still have to negotiate a long term agreement with the EU, same contentious areas of negotiation that we have now The aim is not to go to WTO the aim is to get a deal, remember the EU have plenty to lose (as do we) but we should not accept the current WA, we should continue to press for a better deal, even if have to use the leverage of a no deal. I don’t think we have enough MPs who have the courage for the battle, which is a shame. Let’s see what a new PM brings to the table. Edited May 30, 2019 by Mounts Kipper Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Site Supporter Cheese Posted May 30, 2019 Site Supporter Share Posted May 30, 2019 (edited) 11 minutes ago, Mounts Kipper said: Only with amend to the backstop. What amendment do you suggest? The potential future PM's who think it's a massive problem are also saying its easily solvable using technology. So why do they have a problem with it? Please explain it, and also explain why Rory Stewart is wrong about the WTO... Edited May 30, 2019 by Cheese Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jol_BWFC Posted May 31, 2019 Share Posted May 31, 2019 12 hours ago, Moon boy said: If you are a U.K. citizen and you are entitled to a vote it doesn’t matter if you’ve never read a paper in your life or watched tv and you are thick as pigshit, your vote is as valid as anyone else’s and is worth the same Correct. But the result of the referendum shapes the nation’s future trade deals, security arrangements, financial markets, service and manufacturing industries (I could go on). That should never have been decided by people who are as thick as pigshit. Would you be happy if your pension pot was invested based on a straw poll of people sat waiting for the bus at Chorley train station? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members bolty58 Posted May 31, 2019 Members Share Posted May 31, 2019 6 hours ago, kent_white said: Easy. He's a traitor and I wouldn't want the likes of him fighting alongside me in the trenches. Or something? Well he's admitted to being an opium smoker so I wouldn't want to be relying in him for sure and certain. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members bolty58 Posted May 31, 2019 Members Share Posted May 31, 2019 3 hours ago, Mounts Kipper said: The aim is not to go to WTO the aim is to get a deal, remember the EU have plenty to lose (as do we) but we should not accept the current WA, we should continue to press for a better deal, even if have to use the leverage of a no deal. I don’t think we have enough MPs who have the courage for the battle, which is a shame. Let’s see what a new PM brings to the table. I've had it with you matey. You seem to be suggesting that a new leader leaving a seriously possible 'no deal' on the table might cause the (up to press) intransigent EU to reconsider and offer a better deal including modification to the main sticking point - the backstop? Just fuck off with all this common sense FFS. It is clearly messing with heads of our dear friends Salford Trotsky, Fanny 5 and fromage face. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted May 31, 2019 Share Posted May 31, 2019 A good read on WTO https://globalbritain.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2019/01/GBLL-paper-30-Truths-Final-05.01.19.pdf Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mounts Kipper Posted May 31, 2019 Share Posted May 31, 2019 7 hours ago, Cheese said: What amendment do you suggest? The potential future PM's who think it's a massive problem are also saying its easily solvable using technology. So why do they have a problem with it? Please explain it, and also explain why Rory Stewart is wrong about the WTO... Where have I said anything Stewart said was wrong? I do note he has highlighted the potential downsides without mentioning potential upsides of WTO which I find very strange. I also note he wants to become our next PM without reopening negotiations on the WA or using the leverage of a no deal. Leads me to think he has zero chance of being elected as PM and rightly so. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moon boy Posted May 31, 2019 Share Posted May 31, 2019 (edited) 6 hours ago, Jol_BWFC said: Correct. But the result of the referendum shapes the nation’s future trade deals, security arrangements, financial markets, service and manufacturing industries (I could go on). That should never have been decided by people who are as thick as pigshit. Would you be happy if your pension pot was invested based on a straw poll of people sat waiting for the bus at Chorley train station? What’s your solution to ‘the thick as pigshit voters’ don’t let them vote? Are we a ‘Democracy ‘ or a ‘Banana Republic’? Edited May 31, 2019 by Moon boy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted May 31, 2019 Share Posted May 31, 2019 22 minutes ago, Mounts Kipper said: Where have I said anything Stewart said was wrong? I do note he has highlighted the potential downsides without mentioning potential upsides of WTO which I find very strange. I also note he wants to become our next PM without reopening negotiations on the WA or using the leverage of a no deal. Leads me to think he has zero chance of being elected as PM and rightly so. He’s a remainer, he wants to stay. Part of the problem Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted May 31, 2019 Share Posted May 31, 2019 6 hours ago, Jol_BWFC said: Would you be happy if your pension pot was invested based on a straw poll of people sat waiting for the bus at Chorley train station? Go on then; who have you chosen to look after your pension fund? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Site Supporter Winchester White Posted May 31, 2019 Site Supporter Share Posted May 31, 2019 What are the potential upsides of WTO? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jol_BWFC Posted May 31, 2019 Share Posted May 31, 2019 21 minutes ago, Moon boy said: What’s your solution to ‘the thick as pigshit voters’ don’t let them vote? Are we a ‘Democracy ‘ or a ‘Banana Republic’? I’ve got a couple of polo shirts from Banana Republic, but I’m not a huge fan of the rest of their range TBH. I’m of the view (as many others are) that this decision should never have been put directly to the public. It should have been made by the elected Parliament. If they had decided to leave then it would still have been a decision made democratically, but not by people who lick windows as a passtime. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jol_BWFC Posted May 31, 2019 Share Posted May 31, 2019 31 minutes ago, boltondiver said: Go on then; who have you chosen to look after your pension fund? Not Barry the bricky from Basildon. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted May 31, 2019 Share Posted May 31, 2019 1 minute ago, Jol_BWFC said: Not Barry the bricky from Basildon. Are you in a default fund? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jol_BWFC Posted May 31, 2019 Share Posted May 31, 2019 1 minute ago, boltondiver said: Are you in a default fund? My pension pot is my business, but feel free to carry on. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted May 31, 2019 Share Posted May 31, 2019 37 minutes ago, Jol_BWFC said: My pension pot is my business, but feel free to carry on. Apologies, not meaning to be nosey! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Site Supporter Tonge moor green jacket Posted May 31, 2019 Site Supporter Share Posted May 31, 2019 18 minutes ago, boltondiver said: Apologies, not meaning to be nosey! Aye, but remember anyone voting for leave is as thick as pig shit, and he's made it his business to question the validity of even awarding them a vote. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Site Supporter Cheese Posted May 31, 2019 Site Supporter Share Posted May 31, 2019 2 hours ago, Mounts Kipper said: Where have I said anything Stewart said was wrong? I do note he has highlighted the potential downsides without mentioning potential upsides of WTO which I find very strange. Then please explain the "upsides" to trading only on WTO terms, and why no other country in the world does so? I also notice you never answered my question about who you'd be voting for in the WTO elections... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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