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[Youri McAnespie]

I find it strange people muster enough feelings to give a shite.

I've noticed Kent, who's normally a right-on Rick but when this topic crops up bizarrely transmogrifies into a sixty year old London cabbie, who's moved out to Essex but still plies his trade north of the river, has pie and mash and liquor at least twice a week and was noddingly acquainted with 'Mad' Frankie Fraser. I'm sure Kent mentioned travels in Thailand - happen there was an 'incident' that's coloured his viewpoint?

TmGJ mentions this relative and how they make an odd-looking woman - perhaps if they'd had earlier intervention they would be looking more like a 'normal' woman now? Especially as they claimed to have felt that way since childhood.

Louis Theroux did a programme on this - starting under-age kids on androgen blockers, certainly on the evidence presented in this it's not something done on a whim, most of the parents seemed devastated - probably because they don't want their kid to grow up in a world where grown men opine they shouldn't have to put up with such shit etc.

The fathers seemed particularly gutted - but they were all resigned to the situation. I think Theroux himself was sceptical at the outset, but after spending time with these families came around somewhat.

To reiterate what others have wrote, unless your doing harm to others or 'supporting' the scum when Bolton born/bred and with zero connections to Manchester then live and let live. It's nobody else's fucking business how others live their lives - unless they breach the above criteria.

And Kent, anyone could be fooled, especially if one is twenty Singhas to the wind, some of 'em are incredibly convincing - don't beat yourself up, don't let it cloud your usually sound judgement. 😀

Edited December 2, 2020 by Youri McAnespie

[Dr Faustus]

thing is, he's 5'1... cant see that many roles coming his way; unless he plays a young danny de vito

 

 

or perhaps i am being short sighted

[tomski]

7 hours ago, kent_white said:

I think there's some parents absolutely desperate for their child to tell them they're transgender.

How the fuckety fuck is this story worthy of being one of the headlines on BBC news. 

Sorry - but the whole transgender thing has passed me by. Fair fucks - call yourself whatever you want but you are biologically male or female apart from a vanishingly small percentage of people who are born with a chromosomal abnormality.

I’d go with that mate. 

[only1swanny]

7 hours ago, Rudy said:

Which bogs does Elliot go in?

Disabled 

[JimmyRiddle]

9 hours ago, Leyther_Matt said:

. I really can’t imagine going through such a tumultuous life that not only brings you to the point that you feel you need to make such a huge decision, but have the bollocks (or not) to do it. Do what makes you happy and crack on, fair play to him. 

This.

A bloke at work became a women, but its still so obvious she was a man it's quite sad but what you say has always been my take on it.

I don't really understand these issues, or sure where my viewpoint is tbh; howevrr if she felt her life was so bad she needed to live the rest of it like she is now, then she has bigger bollocks than me and I respect her for being brave enough to make that choice if nothing else.

[Duck Egg]

Each to their own.  My only worry with it, is if I were to unintentionally offend anyone, like say calling somebody black, coloured, 20 years ago.  I looked at the debate a while back and it was all Terf this and CIS the other, it went over my head.

That was a unique case last week though.  Woman gives birth a few years ago, changes gender to male. Now wants to be recognised as the childs father rather than mother on the birth certificate.

[Traf]

55 minutes ago, Duck Egg said:

That was a unique case last week though.  Woman gives birth a few years ago, changes gender to male. Now wants to be recognised as the childs father rather than mother on the birth certificate.

I'd suggest that a female's inability to produce sperm would preclude any such claim.

[gonzo]

Always disheartens me when the trannies dont have a proper lob on in the pornos.

Go to all that trouble and youd at least expect a stonk on.

[Youri McAnespie]

You can't tell me you prefer it when they're bigger and harder than the bloke(s) doing the bummin'?

😃

 

[gonzo]

55 minutes ago, Youri McAnespie said:

You can't tell me you prefer it when they're bigger and harder than the bloke(s) doing the bummin'?

😃

 

I just like to see everybody enjoying themselves.

[Tonge moor green jacket]

8 hours ago, Youri McAnespie said:

TmGJ mentions this relative and how they make an odd-looking woman - perhaps if they'd had earlier intervention they would be looking more like a 'normal' woman now? Especially as they claimed to have felt that way since childhood.

A scar is still a scar, irrespective of when it happens. Bone structure not going to change is it?

Earlier intervention would be tantamount to the worst kind of child abuse. Despite my relative's thoughts, at an age of 8 or 9 there's no way he was capable of knowing what he would feel like once into puberty and beyond. Once down the road there's no way back.

I think Kent is right generally. Something, somewhere changes in a very small number of people, but for the rest you're male or female.

A bit like mental health issues; there's a danger this sort of thing becomes 'fashionable' and detracts from those with genuine need.

[Rudy]

1 hour ago, gonzo said:

Always disheartens me when the trannies dont have a proper lob on in the pornos.

Go to all that trouble and youd at least expect a stonk on.

Can they jizz?

[gonzo]

56 minutes ago, Rudy said:

Can they jizz?

Big Geoffrey did.

[gonzo]

 

[Rudy]

Go on Geoffrey lad/lass

[jmjhb]

Puts the film Juno into perspective.

Have no issue with it, Page is over 18 and can do what they want.

The other trans story of the day was the Keira Bell/puberty blockers for kids at the High Court and I feel they made the right decision.

[Rudy]

I assumed if You go through the change you have hormone replacement so they can’t get a lob on and can’t partake in yoghurt slinging

@royal white care to shed light on this hot topic?

[Zico]

30 minutes ago, gonzo said:

 

I've been to Turkey and not had a kebab

[Youri McAnespie]

1 hour ago, Tonge moor green jacket said:

A scar is still a scar, irrespective of when it happens. Bone structure not going to change is it?

Earlier intervention would be tantamount to the worst kind of child abuse. Despite my relative's thoughts, at an age of 8 or 9 there's no way he was capable of knowing what he would feel like once into puberty and beyond. Once down the road there's no way back.

I think Kent is right generally. Something, somewhere changes in a very small number of people, but for the rest you're male or female.

A bit like mental health issues; there's a danger this sort of thing becomes 'fashionable' and detracts from those with genuine need.

I'm taking the above with a pinch of salt if you reckon' there's no change in bone structure during puberty. It's one of the major and most noticeable changes. Lads passing into adulthood whilst retaining a childlike face, well, it's often a signifier of hypogonadism.

My facial changes when I fell out of the puberty tree hitting every branch on the way down saw me go from a young Casanova inundated with offers - and could take my pick for Alton Towers trip consorts to Rocky Dennis's stunt double and full circle to needing a shitty stick again as G/L's answer to Tom Hardy.

If there was strong evidence of these very rare cases of early intervention creating people who in later life regretted it then I'd concur, but it seems to be the opposite - there's more incidence prevarication until late adolescence/early adulthood - by which time the ship has sailed and leads to 'bloke in a dress' - as described by your good self and Jimmy Riddle. If their kid came to them at an early age and it was dismissed as a fad - they have to then live with themselves when the same kid eventually proceeds and then lives a life subject to mockery, derision and, potentially, violence.

What I've found strange is this 'trans-scepticism' seems to be the last acceptable discrimination. Folk who speak out strongly against other strains of bigotry pipe up with a "Nay! Nay! Nay!" in regard to this topic.

The Louis Theroux documentary really got me thinking - think it's on Netflix.

What would people do if their child came to them at ten and said "I'm gay".

I'd suggest attaching electrodes to their genitals and shocking them and making them drink vinegar and lemon juice whilst gay porn was playing on the television.

Then remove the electrodes and apply soothing balms and ointments to the shocked areas, provide chilled strawberry milkshake and make them watch straight porn.

Do this every day and you'll have one well-adjusted kid, cured of being a sheep following the latest fad.

[Youri McAnespie]

  

42 minutes ago, gonzo said:

 

I reckon' he (the manc) definitely wanked his mates off 'for a laugh' as a kid...

Call me a killjoy/prude but, tranny or genetic girl, I really find these home made vids where there's loads of goons laughing and joking in the background very distasteful - I think they're really closet gay.

If the one getting molested is up for it, group action, then all present should be getting involved not hooting away on the sidelines as bystanders.

Also Hi-fiving or handshaking during proceedings constitutes a homosexual act in my book.

😇

 

[Tonge moor green jacket]

I think you're missing my point. Pre puberty treatment isn't going to change bone structure from masculine to feminine or vice versa; if something so powerful was used then what other effects would it have on bones all over the body?

Hormone treatments only go so far and won't completely change things.

Start routine pre puberty treatments are you're on a massively slippery slope. What happens if the child reaches 15 or 16 say and realises it was a phase and part of the growing up process?

Do they sue the authorities for allowing it to happen?

For the small numbers genuinely affected it must be a shitter; perhaps groups like CAMHS etc may be able to help with this more. An adult has to go through a period of living as a member of the opposite sex prior to treatment, and maybe a 'light' version of this might be appropriate. 

Full scale conversion at such a young age is fraught with risk; and would be highly inappropriate, especially if they haven't had the opportunity to go through puberty and sexual discovery and achieve confirmation of their feelings.

[Youri McAnespie]

Like I wrote if there was evidence of kids having these blockers then changing their minds then I might agree it shouldn't be done. I'm not 100% it should be done either. I do know the longer it's left the more likely the person will face a lifetime of ridicule when they invariably eventually make the change.

I disagree about kids having strong differences gender wise in facial structure pre-pubescence - like all lads are mini-Jack Palances and girls mini-Kylie Minogues. There are differences but there are strong traits of androgyny in both sexes during the early years through to puberty.

I'd watch that Theroux documentary, it probably won't change your mind but it will inform. He tackles the subject in his usual even-handed manner.

Edited December 2, 2020 by Youri McAnespie

[Lt. Aldo Raine]

I think where there is a conflict of rights on this matter it tends to be when a man chooses to transition to becoming a transwomen. Much of it revolves around the potential difficulties accommodating two protected characteristics - gender identity and sex.

There are also philosophical/scientific differences relating to whether when a person transitions they actually are the sex they identify with i.e. a transwoman being female rather than a male who lives as a transwoman.

[gonzo]

29 minutes ago, Youri McAnespie said:

  

I reckon' he (the manc) definitely wanked his mates off 'for a laugh' as a kid...

Call me a killjoy/prude but, tranny or genetic girl, I really find these home made vids where there's loads of goons laughing and joking in the background very distasteful - I think they're really closet gay.

If the one getting molested is up for it, group action, then all present should be getting involved not hooting away on the sidelines as bystanders.

Also Hi-fiving or handshaking during proceedings constitutes a homosexual act in my book.

😇

 

Tbf the video is being filmed off a phone and the people laughing are the ones watching it. 

The guys loving life, posting on his snap chat, banging a tranny in thailand off his box. Fair fucks to the lad. Think most people laughing are laughing at how much he doesnt give a fuck.

The brass wont give a flying fuck. 

[Youri McAnespie]

I thought they were present.

Didn't study in much detail - not had a girlfriend in a while so my grasp on regular heterosexuality is tentative enough.

Whatever he was off his tits on - I'd wager it was a Meph and Mandy cocktail he should think on in future, it looked like he was doing 'her' up her arse bareback (I did study it a little 😉) - she probably gets banged by about ten different geezers, from all corners of the globe, every single day - she's probably riddled.

I didn't know Twitter allowed hardcore stuff either - nice one Twitter.