Meanwhile in Ukraine

[royal white]

10 minutes ago, Farrelli said:

Well why should we believe anything he says ? The only thing Putin understands is force

Again that’s for the talks. To think he’s simply going to walk away and then have talks is delusional. You’ve got things the wrong way round.

[Dimron]

3 minutes ago, Cheese said:

What are the "bigger stakes at play", do you think? 🤦‍♂️

Europe is going to be squeezed from existing as a potential player on the global stage... eastern states will have pro Russian  puppets installed, we will have a pro US Government and the French, Germans and Italians will become some sort of engineering hubs which will be used to offset Chinese industry.

The EU is becoming surrounded and the vultures are perched on the high ground waiting for the pickings

[Farrelli]

7 minutes ago, royal white said:

Again that’s for the talks. To think he’s simply going to walk away and then have talks is delusional. You’ve got things the wrong way round.

Not really. He invaded a sovereign country. If Russia took half of the UK following an invasion would you be happy if we rewarded them with talks ? Just get out of Ukraine. 

[Cheese]

Just now, Dimron said:

Europe is going to be squeezed from existing as a potential player on the global stage... eastern states will have pro Russian  puppets installed, we will have a pro US Government and the French, Germans and Italians will become some sort of engineering hubs which will be used to offset Chinese industry.

The EU is becoming surrounded and the vultures are perched on the high ground waiting for the pickings

Fuck me. Have you been listening to Alex Jones or something? 🤦‍♂️ If anything it sounds like this is your fantasty, and you're willing it to happen.

[Cheese]

Just now, Farrelli said:

Not really. He invaded a sovereign country. If Russia took half of the UK following an invasion would you be happy if we rewarded them with talks ? Just get out of Ukraine. 

"BuT HE Won'T do ThAt THoUgh! 🤡"

[royal white]

Just now, Farrelli said:

Not really. He invaded a sovereign country. If Russia took half of the UK following an invasion would you be happy if we rewarded them with talks ? Just get out of Ukraine. 

Yes really. We are not talking about us. They’re not just going to leave the Ukraine are they, it’s pointless to keep suggesting it. 

[Dimron]

1 minute ago, Cheese said:

Fuck me. Have you been listening to Alex Jones or something? 🤦‍♂️ If anything it sounds like this is your fantasty, and you're willing it to happen.

No... It just spouts as I type... it's a gift, some sort of tourettes... but it often gets to some of the truths

[kent_white]

1 hour ago, royal white said:

So had any plans been made or is he just happy to keep taking billions off us for for many more years 
 

Was/is anyone in Europe prepared to speak to Putin? 
 

The only way to stop these wars is around a table. I’ve not seen many other leaders pushing for talks. 

I doubt he's happy about anything at the moment. And I'm sure he'd rather be sat in Kiev with no western aid and the Russians having never invaded his country. 

I'm also sure that pretty much anybody in Europe would have gladly sat down for talks with Putin if they genuinely believed he was interested in a lasting peace.

I expect Putin is going to get exactly what he wants. And the West is going to look like it's capitulated and like it's in disarray. 

I agree that a negotiated settlement is in everyone's best interests. But a negotiated settlement that only the US and Russia have any input into isn't. And neither is a negotiated settlement that encourages other dictatorships to take what they want by force. 

This is barring, of course, some wonder deal that Trump manages to pull out of the bag which naively I'm still hoping for. Mainly because his accolytes keep telling me what a fantastic deal maker he is - and that all the bluster is somehow just Trump confusing his adversaries before delivering the coup de grace. Personally I don't think he's that bright but we'll find out soon enough. 

Like I said, I'll reserve judgement until we see what's agreed (if anything is) - but I reckon this will go how I've always said it will go. 

[Dimron]

4 minutes ago, Farrelli said:

Not really. He invaded a sovereign country. If Russia took half of the UK following an invasion would you be happy if we rewarded them with talks ? Just get out of Ukraine. 

The UK is fortunate as it is surrounded by the sea... therefore we have definite borders (excepting Wales and Scotland)... the problem in central Europe is there are no definite borders but lots of generational discrimination and unrest towards the people in the next village an so on

[wanderer1984]

36 minutes ago, Farrelli said:

He should get out of Ukraine then talks can start immediately. Quite simple. 

😂

[royal white]

4 minutes ago, wanderer1984 said:

😂

I know 😂

[Farrelli]

11 minutes ago, royal white said:

Yes really. We are not talking about us. They’re not just going to leave the Ukraine are they, it’s pointless to keep suggesting it. 

Well it’s not pointless to the people of Ukraine 

[Farrelli]

1 minute ago, royal white said:

I know 😂

You would have been a fine pair during the war. Yes Adolf, please help yourself🤦‍♀️

[royal white]

8 minutes ago, kent_white said:

I doubt he's happy about anything at the moment. And I'm sure he'd rather be sat in Kiev with no western aid and the Russians having never invaded his country. 

I'm also sure that pretty much anybody in Europe would have gladly sat down for talks with Putin if they genuinely believed he was interested in a lasting peace.

I expect Putin is going to get exactly what he wants. And the West is going to look like it's capitulated and like it's in disarray. 

I agree that a negotiated settlement is in everyone's best interests. But a negotiated settlement that only the US and Russia have any input into isn't. And neither is a negotiated settlement that encourages other dictatorships to take what they want by force. 

This is barring, of course, some wonder deal that Trump manages to pull out of the bag which naively I'm still hoping for. Mainly because his accolytes keep telling me what a fantastic deal maker he is - and that all the bluster is somehow just Trump confusing his adversaries before delivering the coup de grace. Personally I don't think he's that bright but we'll find out soon enough. 

Like I said, I'll reserve judgement until we see what's agreed (if anything is) - but I reckon this will go how I've always said it will go. 

I doubt that’s ever going to be the case. I doubt Zelensky is going to agree to anything that doesn’t suit him and Ukraine, especially if he’s not been sat in on the discussions.

Talks are a start, it might take a while but hopefully it’s something to work on.

[royal white]

Just now, Farrelli said:

You would have been a fine pair during the war. Yes Adolf, please help yourself🤦‍♀️

I’m sure you’re input on a football forum would help though 🤦🏻

[Farrelli]

10 minutes ago, Dimron said:

The UK is fortunate as it is surrounded by the sea... therefore we have definite borders (excepting Wales and Scotland)... the problem in central Europe is there are no definite borders but lots of generational discrimination and unrest towards the people in the next village an so on

Not sure what point you are making. Ukraine is a sovereign country with well established borders. 

[kent_white]

2 minutes ago, royal white said:

I doubt that’s ever going to be the case. I doubt Zelensky is going to agree to anything that doesn’t suit him and Ukraine, especially if he’s not been sat in on the discussions.

Talks are a start, it might take a while but hopefully it’s something to work on.

I think it's more likely that Trump will agree a shit deal and then put enormous pressure on Zelensky to take it. And try to spin it that Russia are the good guys and Ukraine are a barrier to peace. 

But we will see I suppose..... 

[Farrelli]

Just now, royal white said:

I’m sure you’re input on a football forum would help though 🤦🏻

Yes and I’m sure your appeasement would have worked a treat with the nazis. You would have been ok though cleaning all those jack boots😄

[wanderer1984]

3 minutes ago, royal white said:

I know 😂

Pretty pleeease Mr Putin ... Withdraw all your troops and machinery ... Then we'll have a nice chat on how you're not getting any of our land and the last few years have been absolutely pointless for you and your allies.

We'll bring along some of your favourite Borscht ... you bring the Beluga.

What do you mean No? 😕 

 

 

[Tonge moor green jacket]

3 minutes ago, kent_white said:

I think it's more likely that Trump will agree a shit deal and then put enormous pressure on Zelensky to take it. And try to spin it that Russia are the good guys and Ukraine are a barrier to peace. 

But we will see I suppose..... 

Proof of the pudding etc, but I'm not as sceptical. 

The US is going to talk to one side or the other first- both aren't getting round a table together initially- and if Putin has his ego massaged by being first then so be it. 

I also think it is the continued effort by America to get Europe to put more of its own money into defence spending- which may well be working, given the quickly arranged European summit.

We only have to look further east to see how difficult negotiations can be, and who get the first call seems somewhat trivial in the overall picture. 

[Farrelli]

16 minutes ago, kent_white said:

I think it's more likely that Trump will agree a shit deal and then put enormous pressure on Zelensky to take it. And try to spin it that Russia are the good guys and Ukraine are a barrier to peace. 

But we will see I suppose..... 

shit deals are ok for some. #oven ready

[Cheese]

10 minutes ago, wanderer1984 said:

Pretty pleeease Mr Putin ... Withdraw all your troops and machinery ... Then we'll have a nice chat on how you're not getting any of our land and the last few years have been absolutely pointless for you and your allies.

We'll bring along some of your favourite Borscht ... you bring the Beluga.

What do you mean No? 😕 

Pretty pleeease Mr Putin, leave all your troops and weapons where they are... we'll give you whatever you want if you promise not to move them any close to Europe...... Ok, maybe a few hundred miles, but pleeeease not any closer...... ok Mr Putin, you can have Ukraine, but pleeeease don't go further West...... ok, pretty please Mr Putin sir, you can take 10 miles of Poland, but please don't go any further..... oh Mr Putin, pleeaaasssse

[wanderer1984]

8 minutes ago, Cheese said:

Pretty pleeease Mr Putin, leave all your troops and weapons where they are... we'll give you whatever you want if you promise not to move them any close to Europe...... Ok, maybe a few hundred miles, but pleeeease not any closer...... ok Mr Putin, you can have Ukraine, but pleeeease don't go further West...... ok, pretty please Mr Putin sir, you can take 10 miles of Poland, but please don't go any further..... oh Mr Putin, pleeaaasssse

Who said they wanted that to happen? 

[Zico]

Personally think Ukraine should just dig their heels in till Putin dies

Europe should back them all the way

The US can get fucked

[royal white]

1 minute ago, Zico said:

Personally think Ukraine just just dig their heels in till Putin dies

Funny you say that, I googled his age earlier to see how long he’s likely to have left. He’s 72 so I hope those Ukrainian have big heels as he could still  be round for quite a while.