Meanwhile in Ukraine

[Zico]

1 minute ago, royal white said:

Funny you say that, I googled his age earlier to see how long he’s likely to have left. He’s 72 so I hope those Ukrainian have big heels as he could still  be round for quite a while. 

Aye, I checked before i posted too 

A war of attrition from here on in

Europe will be around for a lot longer than Putin 

If he wants to keep fighting and killing his own people he can crack on

[Lt. Aldo Raine]

20 minutes ago, Zico said:

Personally think Ukraine should just dig their heels in till Putin dies

Europe should back them all the way

The US can get fucked

It'd be nice but I'm not sure Europe can provide the kind of support necessary

[Zico]

3 minutes ago, Lt. Aldo Raine said:

It'd be nice but I'm not sure Europe can provide the kind of support necessary

The alternative is unpalatable for me

Letting him take what he wants

Sets a dangerous precedent for the likes of China, US, Israel etc 

 

 

 

[jayjayoghani]

1 hour ago, Dimron said:

Europe is going to be squeezed from existing as a potential player on the global stage... eastern states will have pro Russian  puppets installed, we will have a pro US Government and the French, Germans and Italians will become some sort of engineering hubs which will be used to offset Chinese industry.

The EU is becoming surrounded and the vultures are perched on the high ground waiting for the pickings

Can you name the countries in Eastern Europe with pro Russian sentiment? Slovakia and Hungary are the only ones I know of? 

[Zico]

7 minutes ago, jayjayoghani said:

Can you name the countries in Eastern Europe with pro Russian sentiment? Slovakia and Hungary are the only ones I know of? 

Belarus?

[Lt. Aldo Raine]

6 minutes ago, jayjayoghani said:

Can you name the countries in Eastern Europe with pro Russian sentiment? Slovakia and Hungary are the only ones I know of? 

Serbia

[Bertie]

5 minutes ago, Zico said:

Belarus?

Serbia?

[jayjayoghani]

5 minutes ago, Zico said:

Belarus?

To clarify I meant pro Russian sentiment capable of electing a Putin puppet. Most are democracies.

Don't think Belarus does real democracy. 

[donkeyshorn]

2 hours ago, Farrelli said:

Not really. He invaded a sovereign country. If Russia took half of the UK following an invasion would you be happy if we rewarded them with talks ? Just get out of Ukraine. 

Wales maybe. 

[London Wanderer]

2 hours ago, wanderer1984 said:

Pretty pleeease Mr Putin ... Withdraw all your troops and machinery ... Then we'll have a nice chat on how you're not getting any of our land and the last few years have been absolutely pointless for you and your allies.

We'll bring along some of your favourite Borscht ... you bring the Beluga.

What do you mean No? 😕 

 

 

Think to be fair to Farrelli, you've completely missed his point mate. He was never suggesting that Russia would accept defeat and agree to retreat back with nothing. 

Seems he's just saying that Europe & Ukraine shouldn't sit back and accept any deal that gives significant land to Russia. I'm not sure how anyone can sit here and defend Trump's decision to prevent Europe and Ukraine attending peace talks. Unless, as Kent says, it's a deal that ensures Putin retreats with very little... which we all know it isn't.

Far more likely that he's agreeing to plenty of land for Putin and lots of minerals for the US. 

Honestly, fck them both. We simply can't accept a deal whereby Russia are given a huge chunk of Eastern Ukraine. That would set too dangerous a precedent. I'd rather see European troops on the ground in Ukraine that that. 

[Dimron]

8 minutes ago, London Wanderer said:

Think to be fair to Farrelli, you've completely missed his point mate. He was never suggesting that Russia would accept defeat and agree to retreat back with nothing. 

Seems he's just saying that Europe & Ukraine shouldn't sit back and accept any deal that gives significant land to Russia. I'm not sure how anyone can sit here and defend Trump's decision to prevent Europe and Ukraine attending peace talks. Unless, as Kent says, it's a deal that ensures Putin retreats with very little... which we all know it isn't.

Far more likely that he's agreeing to plenty of land for Putin and lots of minerals for the US. 

Honestly, fck them both. We simply can't accept a deal whereby Russia are given a huge chunk of Eastern Ukraine. That would set too dangerous a precedent. I'd rather see European troops on the ground in Ukraine that that. 

 I'd rather see European troops on the ground in Ukraine that that. 

Would this include UK Troops squaring up to Russians?

[royal white]

5 minutes ago, London Wanderer said:

Think to be fair to Farrelli, you've completely missed his point mate. He was never suggesting that Russia would accept defeat and agree to retreat back with nothing. 

Seems he's just saying that Europe & Ukraine shouldn't sit back and accept any deal that gives significant land to Russia. I'm not sure how anyone can sit here and defend Trump's decision to prevent Europe and Ukraine attending peace talks. Unless, as Kent says, it's a deal that ensures Putin retreats with very little... which we all know it isn't.

Far more likely that he's agreeing to plenty of land for Putin and lots of minerals for the US. 

Honestly, fck them both. We simply can't accept a deal whereby Russia are given a huge chunk of Eastern Ukraine. That would set too dangerous a precedent. I'd rather see European troops on the ground in Ukraine that that. 

Pretty sure Keith Kellogg said Ukraine would be there. It’s quite obviously they need to be there. 

[London Wanderer]

7 minutes ago, Dimron said:

 I'd rather see European troops on the ground in Ukraine that that. 

Would this include UK Troops squaring up to Russians?

I thought we should have sent troops from the beginning. And I can see the need for a European alliance. Even more so with the actions of the US. 

I love this continent and it's history. It needs defending. 

We won't be sending troops though. So more aid and weapons from Europe please. 

[London Wanderer]

8 minutes ago, royal white said:

Pretty sure Keith Kellogg said Ukraine would be there. It’s quite obviously they need to be there. 

aye

not what I read

but time will tell

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/crr0gngkjrvt?page=2

[royal white]

8 minutes ago, London Wanderer said:

aye

not what I read

but time will tell

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/crr0gngkjrvt?page=2

https://www.aljazeera.com/amp/news/2025/2/15/ukraine-peace-talks-will-not-include-europe-us-envoy-says
 

Asked if he could assure the audience that Ukrainians and Europeans would be at the table for talks, Kellogg told a global security conference in Munich that “the answer to that last question, just as you framed it, is no”.

Ukrainians, however, will “of course” be at the table, he said, adding it would be foolish to suggest otherwise.

[wanderer1984]

11 minutes ago, London Wanderer said:

Think to be fair to Farrelli, you've completely missed his point mate. He was never suggesting that Russia would accept defeat and agree to retreat back with nothing. 

Seems he's just saying that Europe & Ukraine shouldn't sit back and accept any deal that gives significant land to Russia. I'm not sure how anyone can sit here and defend Trump's decision to prevent Europe and Ukraine attending peace talks. Unless, as Kent says, it's a deal that ensures Putin retreats with very little... which we all know it isn't.

Far more likely that he's agreeing to plenty of land for Putin and lots of minerals for the US. 

Honestly, fck them both. We simply can't accept a deal whereby Russia are given a huge chunk of Eastern Ukraine. That would set too dangerous a precedent. I'd rather see European troops on the ground in Ukraine that that. 

Probably missed the point ... I've not read back. But to think Russia would happily withdraw before starting talks is bonkers and that's what I was replying to.

You do know there's a lot of Russian support from the Ukrainian people before the war right? It won't be a shock to me when the territory lines are eventually drawn up.

May be wrong but I don't think he wants and never did want more territory and even if he or the Russian forces did there's no way he'd achieve it. There army has been decimated and equipment they use shown up to be very outdated.

At least Trump is trying to do something positive no? Ending the war and civilian casualties. No one has got close since it started but because its Trump there's meltdowns all over the place. To me and Ukrainians I know it's a good sign, a step forward instead of nothing.

UK troops on the ground and you'd be staring WW3 ... Just give up part of Ukraine that most people living there wanted anyway.

 

[Dimron]

22 minutes ago, London Wanderer said:

I thought we should have sent troops from the beginning. And I can see the need for a European alliance. Even more so with the actions of the US. 

I love this continent and it's history. It needs defending. 

We won't be sending troops though. So more aid and weapons from Europe please. 

Don't forget 11.000 British Troops were killed the last time we sent a large expeditionary force to Europe

[jayjayoghani]

1 hour ago, Lt. Aldo Raine said:

Serbia

 

1 hour ago, Bertie said:

Serbia?

Fair enough. I don't think predictions of a new Iron Curtain are realistic though.

[London Wanderer]

18 minutes ago, royal white said:

https://www.aljazeera.com/amp/news/2025/2/15/ukraine-peace-talks-will-not-include-europe-us-envoy-says
 

 

Asked if he could assure the audience that Ukrainians and Europeans would be at the table for talks, Kellogg told a global security conference in Munich that “the answer to that last question, just as you framed it, is no”.

Ukrainians, however, will “of course” be at the table, he said, adding it would be foolish to suggest otherwise.

👍
 

Time will tell

 very odd (& dangerous) behaviour from the US so far

[bolty58]

6 hours ago, tyldesley_white said:

See the negations with the Taliban over Afghanistan as a point of reference for Trump, again never involved the Afghans and that turned out so well

FFS give over. Anyone with a scintilla of sense knows that Afghans are incorrigible and best left to it. You are pissing in the wind trying to negotiate with them.

Pointless even getting involved. Wall the fuckers in and leave them to it would be the best policy..

[bolty58]

5 hours ago, royal white said:

To even try and get to that point you need talks. 

Three years  of no contact with Sleepy Joe and his band of crooks.

New bloke has dialogue going on within a few weeks.

[bolty58]

4 hours ago, Dimron said:

 

Do the UK now join a European Army and fight on? 

Stop it now. The fuckers were bleeding us dry bureaucratically. This would be even a bigger black hole and whatever they manage to cobble together we could beat during a half time break.

[wanderer1984]

2 minutes ago, bolty58 said:

Three years  of no contact with Sleepy Joe and his band of crooks.

New bloke has dialogue going on within a few weeks.

But his name is Donald 

[bolty58]

3 hours ago, wanderer1984 said:

😂

He did sign himself off as 'Quite Simple'.

[London Wanderer]

42 minutes ago, Dimron said:

Don't forget 11.000 British Troops were killed the last time we sent a large expeditionary force to Europe

 

51 minutes ago, wanderer1984 said:

Probably missed the point ... I've not read back. But to think Russia would happily withdraw before starting talks is bonkers and that's what I was replying to.

You do know there's a lot of Russian support from the Ukrainian people before the war right? It won't be a shock to me when the territory lines are eventually drawn up.

May be wrong but I don't think he wants and never did want more territory and even if he or the Russian forces did there's no way he'd achieve it. There army has been decimated and equipment they use shown up to be very outdated.

At least Trump is trying to do something positive no? Ending the war and civilian casualties. No one has got close since it started but because its Trump there's meltdowns all over the place. To me and Ukrainians I know it's a good sign, a step forward instead of nothing.

UK troops on the ground and you'd be staring WW3 ... Just give up part of Ukraine that most people living there wanted anyway.

 

I don't see anything positive in the way Trump is approaching this. I'd love to be wrong and see him pull off a master stroke.. but I very much doubt it. 

We'll look back and regret not doing more in my opinion. 

Anyone who thinks Putin will just stop at Ukraine isn't seeing the bigger picture.

Meddling in the current German election, the Georgian election. Don't be surprised if he goes for Moldova and tries to destabilise other countries across Europe. 

We've always been willing to fight and die for democracy. Don't see a reason to stop now. 

Edit: And I'm glad that our PM agrees

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c4gxgxl3grgo

 

Edited February 16, 2025 by London Wanderer