Meanwhile in Ukraine

[London Wanderer]

2 minutes ago, royal white said:

That strategy has seen Russian take around 25% of Ukraine in under 2 years, despite funding of 100s of  billions. It Hardly been a success. 

Do you think it all went to plan for Putin? Do you think he expected to be involved for this long? Did he manage to overthrow Zelensky and install a pro Russian government as he planned? 

[Zico]

26 minutes ago, royal white said:

I’d say an invasion of Europe is a bit of crisis. That same page didn’t really revolve around any kind of peace deals, just sending massive amounts of money to Ukraine whilst Russia carried on advancing. 

I'm not sure when Putin invades with the intent of taking a country, that you go straight to the peace deal stage, you fight back

well I mean you could, but deals were never Putin's intention, he wanted to take the lot by force and underestimated what he would face

[Cheese]

8 minutes ago, royal white said:

So nothing has been happening then has there.
I’ve no idea but if the Don gets Putin and Zelensky to sit down and try and strike some kind of deal then he would have  done more in his first few weeks then all the others have since  this started. 

Where do you think Ukraine got a lot of their weapons and Fighter Jets from? Do you think they just stumbled across them?

[royal white]

9 minutes ago, London Wanderer said:

 

Ahhh so now you're saying you meant talks with Putin.

How strange.. because in the post I responded to you said 

"Just watching European leaders turn up for “crisis talks” on the news"  and didn't once mention meeting with Putin. 

Nice try mate 😂😂

In response to your second post - How silly of those European leaders not to arrange a peace meeting with a dictator after he invades a sovereign nation. 

Excuse me Mr. Putin, please stop. Here have a fifth of Ukraine and all will be forgiven. 

Ukraine would have loved that. 
 

Those “crisis talks” you posted a link to were hardly crisis talks were they. 

When was the last time European leaders met at a days notice to discuss Ukraine? and at any time have they attempted to broker any kind of peace deal? You might think it’s “a bit silly”  (I mean it’s ridiculous to suggest getting around a table and taking peace) but the last 2 years haven’t really gone to plan have they. 
 

Here Ukraine keep taking our money and allowing Russia to advance 

[royal white]

10 minutes ago, Cheese said:

Where do you think Ukraine got a lot of their weapons and Fighter Jets from? Do you think they just stumbled across them?

Eh? 

[Cheese]

5 minutes ago, royal white said:

Eh? 

You seemed to be suggesting there haven't been any talks between Ukraine and European leaders over the last 3 years. I see you're shifting the goalposts again though. Anything to make Trump look good, eh?

Edited February 17, 2025 by Cheese

[wanderer1984]

1 hour ago, royal white said:

To save me going through it all can you point out when the proposed peace talks With Putin were scheduled for? 

Can you imagine the wank fest on here if it was Starmer that managed to hold peace talks with Putin.

The fact Trump is going to achieved it whilst been in office for a month is remarkable.

Whaddaguy 

[royal white]

4 minutes ago, Cheese said:

You seemed to be suggesting there haven't been any talks between Ukraine and European leaders over the last 3 years. I see you're shifting the goalposts again though. Anything to make Trump look good, eh?

Of course there have, mainly around how much money and weapons they can get. Has there been any talks about peace? 

[Cheese]

2 minutes ago, royal white said:

Of course there have, mainly around how much money and weapons they can get. Has there been any talks about peace? 

No, I'm sure it has never been mentioned. 🤦‍♂️

[London Wanderer]

1 minute ago, royal white said:

Those “crisis talks” you posted a link to were hardly crisis talks were they. 

When was the last time European leaders met at a days notice to discuss Ukraine? and at any time have they attempted to broker any kind of peace deal? You might think it’s “a bit silly”  (I mean it’s ridiculous to suggest getting around a table and taking peace) but the last 2 years haven’t really gone to plan have they. 
 

Here Ukraine keep taking our money and allowing Russia to advance 

There is still huge support for giving money and resources to Ukraine in the UK, and plenty evidence that Russia are struggling to maintain the war. 

Ukraine's allies didn't need to meet at a days notice to sanction or propose more funding and military aid. That didn't require an emergency crisis meeting did it? Not meeting at a days notice is not evidence they weren't doing enough. It only shows there was an organised and unified response. 

You really are making a tits up of this mate. And there is absolutely no need.

If you think that Ukraine should sacrifice land as part of a peace deal, then that's perfectly reasonable. I'd disagree around how much (if any), but that's my opinion and I can completely understand your viewpoint as the war has been going on so long. 

But to argue that European leaders haven't done enough or achieved anything significant is just completely bonkers. Can't believe you're even attempting those points. A united European/Ukrainian & US effort prevented Putin getting anything close to what his aims were. The transition (pretty much overnight) away from Russian gas was an incredible achievement in itself

Trump has turned up and undermined all of America's allies overnight. Ukraine haven't even said they will attend peace talks yet. I genuinely hope that Trump has a master plan that doesn't involve giving a dictator shit loads of stolen land. I hope he brings everyone together and makes peace. But I just don't see it. 

 

[London Wanderer]

5 minutes ago, wanderer1984 said:

Can you imagine the wank fest on here if it was Starmer that managed to hold peace talks with Putin.

The fact Trump is going to achieved it whilst been in office for a month is remarkable.

Whaddaguy 

🤣

[Sweep]

8 minutes ago, wanderer1984 said:

Can you imagine the wank fest on here if it was Starmer that managed to hold peace talks with Putin.

The fact Trump is going to achieved it whilst been in office for a month is remarkable.

Whaddaguy 

Of course, holding peace talks and achieving peace are two very different things. 

Let's see what, if anything, happens

[mickbrown]

Trump is going to roll over and let Putin tickle his belly. 
 

The massive twat. 

[royal white]

2 minutes ago, London Wanderer said:

There is still huge support for giving money and resources to Ukraine in the UK, and plenty evidence that Russia are struggling to maintain the war. 

Ukraine's allies didn't need to meet at a days notice to sanction or propose more funding and military aid. That didn't require an emergency crisis meeting did it? Not meeting at a days notice is not evidence they weren't doing enough. It only shows there was an organised and unified response. 

You really are making a tits up of this mate. And there is absolutely no need.

If you think that Ukraine should sacrifice land as part of a peace deal, then that's perfectly reasonable. I'd disagree around how much (if any), but that's my opinion and I can completely understand your viewpoint as the war has been going on so long. 

But to argue that European leaders haven't done enough or achieved anything significant is just completely bonkers. Can't believe you're even attempting those points. A united European/Ukrainian & US effort prevented Putin getting anything close to what his aims were. The transition (pretty much overnight) away from Russian gas was an incredible achievement in itself

Trump has turned up and undermined all of America's allies overnight. Ukraine haven't even said they will attend peace talks yet. I genuinely hope that Trump has a master plan that doesn't involve giving a dictator shit loads of stolen land. I hope he brings everyone together and makes peace. But I just don't see it. 

 

And off you go 😂

 

As I’ve said to fromage, there’s been nothing in the way of a peace deal even attempted by European leaders. (Not that I’m aware of anyway). Now that it’s been suggested they won’t take part in any deal (well at least be sat in on it) they have a flap on. Our very own PM has said he will put peace keeping troops on the ground if there is a deal to end the war. Where were these deals to end the war over the last 2 years? Let’s be honest here, if The Don wasn’t in power or didn’t suggest talks nothing  would change. Billions being spent, 1000s dying. 
 

And if Ukraine doesn’t attend the peace talks  what does that tell you? 

[London Wanderer]

3 minutes ago, royal white said:

And off you go 😂

 

As I’ve said to fromage, there’s been nothing in the way of a peace deal even attempted by European leaders. (Not that I’m aware of anyway). Now that it’s been suggested they won’t take part in any deal (well at least be sat in on it) they have a flap on. Our very own PM has said he will put peace keeping troops on the ground if there is a deal to end the war. Where were these deals to end the war over the last 2 years? Let’s be honest here, if The Don wasn’t in power or didn’t suggest talks nothing  would change. Billions being spent, 1000s dying. 
 

And if Ukraine doesn’t attend the peace talks  what does that tell you? 

Off I go 😄 Crikey

You've been making all sorts of bonkers claims.

I find it funny that you and @wanderer1984 think it's some sort of achievement getting Putin to agree to talks. 

Any Ukrainian ally could have turned around and said "here Mr Putin, you can have Eastern Ukraine for yourself and give us some access to minerals, lets sit round a table to agree how much yeah" , and the Russians would have agreed to meet.

European leaders didn't attempt that because they respect Ukraine's right to sovereignty. 

Why should Ukraine hand over their land to a dictator who brutally invaded? 

[Cheese]

7 minutes ago, royal white said:

And off you go 😂

 

As I’ve said to fromage, there’s been nothing in the way of a peace deal even attempted by European leaders. (Not that I’m aware of anyway). Now that it’s been suggested they won’t take part in any deal (well at least be sat in on it) they have a flap on. Our very own PM has said he will put peace keeping troops on the ground if there is a deal to end the war. Where were these deals to end the war over the last 2 years? Let’s be honest here, if The Don wasn’t in power or didn’t suggest talks nothing  would change. Billions being spent, 1000s dying. 
 

And if Ukraine doesn’t attend the peace talks  what does that tell you? 

If Ukraine aren't even invited by "The Don", what does that tell you?

[royal white]

1 minute ago, Cheese said:

If Ukraine aren't even invited by "The Don", what does that tell you?

But they are 🤦🏻

[royal white]

1 minute ago, London Wanderer said:

Off I go 😄 Crikey

You've been making all sorts of bonkers claims.

I find it funny that you and @wanderer1984 think it's some sort of achievement getting Putin to agree to talks. 

Any Ukrainian ally could have turned around and said "here Mr Putin, you can have Eastern Ukraine for yourself and give us some access to minerals, lets sit round a table to agree how much yeah" , and the Russians would have agreed to meet.

European leaders didn't attempt that because they respect Ukraine's right to sovereignty. 

Why should Ukraine hand over their land to a dictator who brutally invaded? 

You honestly don’t believe that do you, you’re just being silly now. 
 

Let’s not talk about me making bonkers claims and then pull that out of the bag. Jesus 

[Zico]

35 minutes ago, royal white said:

Here Ukraine keep taking our money and allowing Russia to advance 

Russia have not been advancing, not since the very beginning when they steamed in

in the map below

yellow = ukraine

red = russia

blue = taken by russia but recpatured by ukraine

the support has allowed them to fight back

 

[Cheese]

4 minutes ago, royal white said:

But they are 🤦🏻

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cm292319gr2o 🤦‍♂️

[royal white]

21 hours ago, royal white said:

https://www.aljazeera.com/amp/news/2025/2/15/ukraine-peace-talks-will-not-include-europe-us-envoy-says
 

 

Asked if he could assure the audience that Ukrainians and Europeans would be at the table for talks, Kellogg told a global security conference in Munich that “the answer to that last question, just as you framed it, is no”.

Ukrainians, however, will “of course” be at the table, he said, adding it would be foolish to suggest otherwise.

As I posted yesterday @Cheese 🤦🏻

[Cheese]

1 minute ago, royal white said:

As I posted yesterday @Cheese 🤦🏻

And it was as meaningless then as it is now. Has he told Zelensky yet @royal white? As in 'today'? 🤦‍♂️

[royal white]

8 minutes ago, Zico said:

Russia have not been advancing, not since the very beginning when they steamed in

in the map below

yellow = ukraine

red = russia

blue = taken by russia but recpatured by ukraine

the support has allowed them to fight back

 

They’re gaining ground more quickly than at any time since it launched the invasion. 
 

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-60506682.amp

[Tonge moor green jacket]

European nations could open their own peace talks I suppose. 

Chuck a spanner in the works!🤣

[royal white]

Just now, Cheese said:

And it was as meaningless then as it is now. Has he told Zelensky yet @royal white? As in 'today'? 🤦‍♂️

Maybe the “source” you quoted  hasn’t passed on the news. As Kellogg said it would be foolish to suggest otherwise. It would take a fool to think peace talks will go ahead and agreed on without a rep from the Ukraine being there.