Meanwhile in Ukraine

[Cheese]

1 minute ago, gonzo said:

That's where I'm at really. I get Trumps moan about their donations being higher than everyone else. 

Throwing money at it won't work in the long run. Russia will park the bus until everyone's money runs out.

Russia's money will run out a long time before anyone else's will. They're absolutely fucked economically.

[Dimron]

52 minutes ago, bolty58 said:

Probably but not just Europe and Ukraine.

Putin would be in Paris before Brussels had decided which treaty might be broken.

It'll be on the agenda alongside the curvature of cucumbers which by EU rules should be 30cm long with a curvature of 10mm for every 10cm.

[Cheese]

Just now, Dimron said:

It'll be on the agenda alongside the curvature of cucumbers which by EU rules should be 30cm long with a curvature of 10mm for every 10cm.

God forbid wholesalers are encouraged to sell healthy fruit and vegetables rather than any old shit they can get their hands on! 😱

(Note: Shops in the EU have always been able to sell whatever shaped vegetables they want, and that particular Cucumber regulation was scrapped in 2009)

[London Wanderer]

Have labour started more wars than the conservatives? 

[gonzo]

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/business/2025/02/17/revealed-trump-confidential-plan-ukraine-stranglehold/?WT.mc_id=e_DM516964&WT.tsrc=email&etype=Edi_Brk_New&utmsource=email&utm_medium=Edi_Brk_New20250217&utm_campaign=DM516964

 

Gee Whizz

[gonzo]

38 minutes ago, Cheese said:

Russia's money will run out a long time before anyone else's will. They're absolutely fucked economically.

He'd let his own people starve to death before he'd back down the mad cunt.

[Bertie]

2 minutes ago, gonzo said:

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/business/2025/02/17/revealed-trump-confidential-plan-ukraine-stranglehold/?WT.mc_id=e_DM516964&WT.tsrc=email&etype=Edi_Brk_New&utmsource=email&utm_medium=Edi_Brk_New20250217&utm_campaign=DM516964

 

Gee Whizz

Can only see the headline due to the pay wall but gee whizz indeed.  The orange one is morally bankrupt, but we knew that already.  It’s all about the dollar and nothing else. There’s a special place in hell reserved for him 🤞.

[gonzo]

"In genuine commerce the other side can usually walk away. Trump’s demand is iron-fist coercion by a neo-imperial power against a weaker nation with its back to the wall, and all for a commodity bonanza that exists chiefly in Trump’s head."

 

 

[London Wanderer]

16 minutes ago, Bertie said:

Can only see the headline due to the pay wall but gee whizz indeed.  The orange one is morally bankrupt, but we knew that already.  It’s all about the dollar and nothing else. There’s a special place in hell reserved for him 🤞.

The usuals will be along shortly to let us know he’s the only one trying to create peace 

[Farrelli]

18 minutes ago, Bertie said:

Can only see the headline due to the pay wall but gee whizz indeed.  The orange one is morally bankrupt, but we knew that already.  It’s all about the dollar and nothing else. There’s a special place in hell reserved for him 🤞.

Aye, the bloke is an absolute dickhead. 

[royal white]

Are these the same sources that are saying Ukraine can’t be involved in peace talks 🤪🤪

[royal white]

17 minutes ago, London Wanderer said:

The usuals will be along shortly to let us know he’s the only one trying to create peace 

Just watching European leaders turn up for “crisis talks” on the news. Would have been nice to have these crisis talks 12- 18 months ago hey. Looks like they may have had the kick up the arse that they needed. 

Edited February 17, 2025 by royal white

[kent_white]

38 minutes ago, royal white said:

Just watching European leaders turn up for “crisis talks” on the news. Would have been nice to have these crisis talks 12- 18 months ago hey. Looks like they may have had the kick up the arse that they needed. 

There wasn't a crisis then though. We were all on the same page.

[Cheese]

If Trump's proposal is to back Ukraine until they win the war and the US would gain from future reparations, that's one thing. If he's proposing to "stop the war" by giving away swathes of land to Putin as some sort of middle man, but insist on reparations anyway, that would be utterly despicable.

[Tonge moor green jacket]

34 minutes ago, royal white said:

Just watching European leaders turn up for “crisis talks” on the news. Would have been nice to have these crisis talks 12- 18 months ago hey. Looks like they may have had the kick up the arse that they needed. 

Yes, possibly so.

That said, perhaps the amount of support supplied in that time has degraded Russia's forces and personnel to such a level as to make any negotiations viable.

https://united24media.com/war-in-ukraine/how-has-ukraine-destroyed-nearly-10000-russian-tanks-the-answer-drones-5073

Their economy is suffering too.

Their people and senior officials will be getting nervous, in particular with the incursion into the Kursk region.

I'd draw a parallel with the Gaza conflict: only when Israel had degraded Hamas to a significant level would they countenance any ceasefire talks.

Maybe that's where the Ukraine conflict is now. 

[London Wanderer]

48 minutes ago, royal white said:

Just watching European leaders turn up for “crisis talks” on the news. Would have been nice to have these crisis talks 12- 18 months ago hey. Looks like they may have had the kick up the arse that they needed. 

This is some post mate

Here you go, knock yourself out

 https://www.consilium.europa.eu/en/policies/eu-solidarity-ukraine/timeline-russia-military-aggression-against-ukraine/

All the emergency meetings; funding proposals and sanctions since the war started. There have been constant talks and meetings going on. The idea that European leaders haven't been doing enough is bonkers. 

It would have been nice not to have the latest 'crisis talks' though, I'm sure we can all agree. But as Kent pointed out, we were all on the same page and unwavering in our support for Ukraine to maintain its full sovereignty. 

For what it's worth, I don't honestly believe troops on the ground is the right answer now. Hearing on the radio that Russia's economy is teetering on the brink and that they cannot go on for much longer.

If these 'peace talks' mean Russia keeping the land it has stolen, then lets maintain European funding so the Ukraine can continue to resist. I don't know how anyone can argue that Ukraine should accept a deal where it loses vast amounts of land?

Maybe Trump has something special in the bag to please everyone. 

[Cheese]

8 minutes ago, London Wanderer said:

This is some post mate

Here you go, knock yourself out

 https://www.consilium.europa.eu/en/policies/eu-solidarity-ukraine/timeline-russia-military-aggression-against-ukraine/

All the emergency meetings; funding proposals and sanctions since the war started. There have been constant talks and meetings going on. The idea that European leaders haven't been doing enough is bonkers. 

It would have been nice not to have the latest 'crisis talks' though, I'm sure we can all agree. But as Kent pointed out, we were all on the same page and unwavering in our support for Ukraine to maintain its full sovereignty. 

For what it's worth, I don't honestly believe troops on the ground is the right answer now. Hearing on the radio that Russia's economy is teetering on the brink and that they cannot go on for much longer.

If these 'peace talks' mean Russia keeping the land it has stolen, then lets maintain European funding so the Ukraine can continue to resist. I don't know how anyone can argue that Ukraine should accept a deal where it loses vast amounts of land?

Maybe Trump has something special in the bag to please everyone. 

Royal doesn't think anything happens unless Trump does it. 🤡

[royal white]

10 minutes ago, London Wanderer said:

This is some post mate

Here you go, knock yourself out

 https://www.consilium.europa.eu/en/policies/eu-solidarity-ukraine/timeline-russia-military-aggression-against-ukraine/

All the emergency meetings; funding proposals and sanctions since the war started. There have been constant talks and meetings going on. The idea that European leaders haven't been doing enough is bonkers. 

It would have been nice not to have the latest 'crisis talks' though, I'm sure we can all agree. But as Kent pointed out, we were all on the same page and unwavering in our support for Ukraine to maintain its full sovereignty. 

For what it's worth, I don't honestly believe troops on the ground is the right answer now. Hearing on the radio that Russia's economy is teetering on the brink and that they cannot go on for much longer.

If these 'peace talks' mean Russia keeping the land it has stolen, then lets maintain European funding so the Ukraine can continue to resist. I don't know how anyone can argue that Ukraine should accept a deal where it loses vast amounts of land?

Maybe Trump has something special in the bag to please everyone. 

To save me going through it all can you point out when the proposed peace talks With Putin were scheduled for? 

[royal white]

2 minutes ago, Cheese said:

Royal doesn't think anything happens unless Trump does it. 🤡

Who were the last European leaders to talk with Putin regarding peace and how far did they get? 

Edited February 17, 2025 by royal white

[royal white]

43 minutes ago, kent_white said:

There wasn't a crisis then though. We were all on the same page.

I’d say an invasion of Europe is a bit of crisis. That same page didn’t really revolve around any kind of peace deals, just sending massive amounts of money to Ukraine whilst Russia carried on advancing. 

[kent_white]

4 minutes ago, royal white said:

I’d say an invasion of Europe is a bit of crisis. That same page didn’t really revolve around any kind of peace deals, just sending massive amounts of money to Ukraine whilst Russia carried on advancing. 

Yes obviously that's a crisis. And we had countless meetings about it. And we had a strategy which has been ripped up by DT. That's why they're having crisis talks, because nobody now knows what the strategy is anymore. And because Europe can now longer count on the US as a reliable partner. Or trust it to keep its word. 

I imagine the world is going to change a great deal over the next decade or so. And we might not be in such a privileged position in a few years time. And I worry for our kids about exactly how that's going to look. 

[Cheese]

17 minutes ago, royal white said:

Who were the last European leaders to talk with Putin regarding peace and how far did they get? 

Orban, and he took the knee. How far do you think "The Don" is going to get?

[royal white]

13 minutes ago, Cheese said:

Orban, and he took the knee. How far do you think "The Don" is going to get?

So nothing has been happening then has there.
I’ve no idea but if the Don gets Putin and Zelensky to sit down and try and strike some kind of deal then he would have  done more in his first few weeks then all the others have since  this started. 

Edited February 17, 2025 by royal white

[royal white]

9 minutes ago, kent_white said:

Yes obviously that's a crisis. And we had countless meetings about it. And we had a strategy which has been ripped up by DT. That's why they're having crisis talks, because nobody now knows what the strategy is anymore. And because Europe can now longer count on the US as a reliable partner. Or trust it to keep its word. 

I imagine the world is going to change a great deal over the next decade or so. And we might not be in such a privileged position in a few years time. And I worry for our kids about exactly how that's going to look. 

That strategy has seen Russian take around 25% of Ukraine in under 2 years, despite funding of 100s of  billions. It Hardly been a success. 

[London Wanderer]

36 minutes ago, royal white said:

To save me going through it all can you point out when the proposed peace talks With Putin were scheduled for? 

 

34 minutes ago, royal white said:

Who were the last European leaders to talk with Putin regarding peace and how far did they get? 

Ahhh so now you're saying you meant talks with Putin.

How strange.. because in the post I responded to you said 

"Just watching European leaders turn up for “crisis talks” on the news"  and didn't once mention meeting with Putin. 

Nice try mate 😂😂

In response to your second post - How silly of those European leaders not to arrange a peace meeting with a dictator after he invades a sovereign nation. 

Excuse me Mr. Putin, please stop. Here have a fifth of Ukraine and all will be forgiven. 

Ukraine would have loved that. 
 

Edited February 17, 2025 by London Wanderer