Moderators Zico Posted October 17, 2023 Moderators Share Posted October 17, 2023 7 minutes ago, Farrelli said: Really glad that Israel are taking care in minimising collateral damage they have a right to defend themselves Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Farrelli Posted October 17, 2023 Share Posted October 17, 2023 Just now, Zico said: they have a right to defend themselves They also have a responsibility to keep within international law. At the moment that has not happened. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Lt. Aldo Raine Posted October 17, 2023 Members Share Posted October 17, 2023 2 hours ago, globaldiver said: What should they be doing? A question unlikely to be properly answered Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
globaldiver Posted October 17, 2023 Share Posted October 17, 2023 51 minutes ago, Lt. Aldo Raine said: A question unlikely to be properly answered Quite. Or not answered at all, as per. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
London Wanderer Posted October 17, 2023 Share Posted October 17, 2023 2 hours ago, Not in Crawley said: Saying domestic policy isn't as important as foreign policy is a bit silly as they are both symbiotic. Just because of the issues in other countries does not mean that the issues with the UK's economy because less important. One can hold two positions concurrently and give them equal weight for different reasons. Aye. i wasn’t really saying that anyway, just having a laugh and also pointing out how privileged we are to live in peace. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
London Wanderer Posted October 17, 2023 Share Posted October 17, 2023 3 hours ago, globaldiver said: That’s my point; we’ve had the initial response and it is clear that Israel are moving folks to expose Hamas, so minimising the collateral damage. The rest of the (sane) world are asking for caution and Israel are currently doing so. Your bias shines through. What should they be doing? I’ve made it clear I’m not biased on this, that’s up to you whether you chose to believe it. I support Israel’s right to defend themselves. If you think there is no collateral damage then you’re in cloud cuckoo land. In answer to your question, they could start by not bombing convoys of women and children on a designated evacuation route, they could also follow Red Cross guidance that ensures paramedics can safely respond to emergencies. Easing their occupation of land in the West Bank, where Hamas aren’t active, will also help. It is a conflict that requires compromise from both sides. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators Zico Posted October 17, 2023 Moderators Share Posted October 17, 2023 1 hour ago, Farrelli said: They also have a responsibility to keep within international law. At the moment that has not happened. yeah, I was joking, it doesn't look like they are defending themselves Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
London Wanderer Posted October 17, 2023 Share Posted October 17, 2023 6 minutes ago, Zico said: yeah, I was joking, it doesn't look like they are defending themselves Terrorist sympathiser 🤨 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Farrelli Posted October 17, 2023 Share Posted October 17, 2023 29 minutes ago, Zico said: yeah, I was joking, it doesn't look like they are defending themselves Sorry, whoosh😀 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
globaldiver Posted October 17, 2023 Share Posted October 17, 2023 Israel get their people massacred and yet, somehow, are getting the blame and full attention. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Site Supporter Spider Posted October 17, 2023 Site Supporter Share Posted October 17, 2023 9 minutes ago, globaldiver said: Israel get their people massacred and yet, somehow, are getting the blame and full attention. Why are Hamas allowed to break the rules of war but Israel aren’t? Its a bit mental Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nowack Posted October 17, 2023 Share Posted October 17, 2023 Just now, Spider said: Why are Hamas allowed to break the rules of war but Israel aren't Something to do with one being a terrorist organisation and the other being a civilised society. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Farrelli Posted October 17, 2023 Share Posted October 17, 2023 3 minutes ago, Nowack said: Something to do with one being a terrorist organisation and the other being a civilised society. Does it really need saying? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Site Supporter Tonge moor green jacket Posted October 17, 2023 Site Supporter Share Posted October 17, 2023 12 minutes ago, globaldiver said: Israel get their people massacred and yet, somehow, are getting the blame and full attention. And people wonder why they do things their own way. Despite not following the ways of their attackers, its still their fault. Still if our national broadcaster can't bring itself to describe Hamas as others do, then no wonder. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
London Wanderer Posted October 17, 2023 Share Posted October 17, 2023 I think it’s an exaggeration to say Hamas aren’t receiving their share of the blame. Israel are a democracy, a western ally & not a jihadist organisation. So it’s only right to hold them to higher standards than backwards vermin such as Hamas. If an extremist kills one of your own, is it right to kill innocent children to get back at them? More importantly, are you still acting in defence? Wouldn’t hold up in a court of law at least, but war is different. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BobyBrno Posted October 17, 2023 Share Posted October 17, 2023 Seen it quoted many times that Israel have the right to reply with ‘proportionate’ force. I haven’t seen anyone, anywhere say what proportionate means. I’ve also seen reports that they have been indiscriminate in their bombing. Who can tell what is indiscriminate and what is targeted. No one, certainly no one on. Wanderersways. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Site Supporter Tonge moor green jacket Posted October 17, 2023 Site Supporter Share Posted October 17, 2023 4 minutes ago, Nowack said: Something to do with one being a terrorist organisation and the other being a civilised society. The huge irony laid bare. Terrorists aren't held to the same standards: war crimes etc, but those they seek to wipe from existence are expected to. The very thing that terror groups try to use for their own means. Folk complain when Gaza gets bombed. Folk complain when supplies are restricted. Folk complain when Israel tells people to move away, so they can tackle to terrorists. Everything breaks some rule or other. What are the UN etc, doing to stop Hamas etc? What us Israel supposed to do? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
London Wanderer Posted October 17, 2023 Share Posted October 17, 2023 7 minutes ago, Tonge moor green jacket said: Still if our national broadcaster can't bring itself to describe Hamas as others do, then no wonder. https://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-67083432.amp Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Site Supporter Tonge moor green jacket Posted October 17, 2023 Site Supporter Share Posted October 17, 2023 2 minutes ago, BobyBrno said: Seen it quoted many times that Israel have the right to reply with ‘proportionate’ force. I haven’t seen anyone, anywhere say what proportionate means. I’ve also seen reports that they have been indiscriminate in their bombing. Who can tell what is indiscriminate and what is targeted. No one, certainly no one on. Wanderersways. I think we'd soon witness what indiscriminate really was, if Israel didn't target specifically, but just laid waste to the place. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BobyBrno Posted October 17, 2023 Share Posted October 17, 2023 Just now, London Wanderer said: https://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-67083432.amp Yeah. Seen that, many times . He’s wrong and they are wrong. Don’t you agree? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members bolty58 Posted October 17, 2023 Members Share Posted October 17, 2023 20 minutes ago, globaldiver said: Israel get their people massacred and yet, somehow, are getting the blame and full attention. Not to mention how many 'international laws' those murderous bastards comply with? Taking women and children as hostages. No doubt gang raped, beheaded or incinerated and the like yet Israel must observe the Queensbury Rules. As Nowack says, there's the difference. One uses it's armed 'fighters' to protect and defend its people. The other uses its people as human shields. Hamas are a cancer which needs obliterating. The surgeon is on his way. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Site Supporter Tonge moor green jacket Posted October 17, 2023 Site Supporter Share Posted October 17, 2023 1 minute ago, London Wanderer said: https://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-67083432.amp Heard it all already. It's bollocks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Site Supporter Spider Posted October 17, 2023 Site Supporter Share Posted October 17, 2023 6 minutes ago, Farrelli said: Does it really need saying? Hamas is a cancer. Treating cancer often means destroying cancerous cells but also means destroying healthy ones in the process. Sad but true. The Palestinian people have the option to distance themselves from Hamas both physically and idealogically , but they don't. Therefore they are knowingly putting themselves and their families in the line of fire. Fact is that support for Hamas is strong. That support carries risk. They have the option to get out of the way, or better still, stop supporting an organisation that is willing to use them as human shields. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members bolty58 Posted October 17, 2023 Members Share Posted October 17, 2023 2 minutes ago, Tonge moor green jacket said: Heard it all already. It's bollocks. An understatement. A left wing organisation towing the party line. Plain and simple. Jeremy will be proud of them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Site Supporter Tonge moor green jacket Posted October 17, 2023 Site Supporter Share Posted October 17, 2023 2 minutes ago, BobyBrno said: Yeah. Seen that, many times . He’s wrong and they are wrong. Don’t you agree? They referred to the murders in Belgium as terrorism. Straight away. Surely the person who did it would claim the same type of grievances as Hamas? It also doesn't stop BBC individuals from making comments associated with "one side or other" on other stories neither. If they want to keep to a moral code, then do it each and every time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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