London Wanderer Posted October 15, 2023 Share Posted October 15, 2023 (edited) 22 hours ago, BobyBrno said: Scraping the barrel pal. There are hundreds of filmed incidents of pure antisemitism and hatred in London yesterday and around the world. If this doesn’t worry you, you should be ashamed. Very worrying times. Always has worried me 👍 I remember being shocked by it in Palestine & it’s obvious it’s a huge issue in the UK now. Has been for a while and has taken decades for the Jewish community to be heard. Off piece example, but the harassment of school teachers in Birmingham (by the conservative Islamic community) is an example of just how much freedom we give extremists out of fear of offending. My point throughout this thread has been the need for caution. What we’re seeing on social media is a clear stereotyping of anyone with a Palestine flag. It’s a naive movement, but clearly the majority don’t condone Hamas. And there are extreme Zionists in this country who are happy with Israel’s actions in the West Bank. Edited October 16, 2023 by London Wanderer Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators Casino Posted October 16, 2023 Moderators Share Posted October 16, 2023 16 hours ago, BobyBrno said: Notice the difference? israeli flags....very provocative Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Site Supporter Spider Posted October 16, 2023 Site Supporter Share Posted October 16, 2023 If they’re bothering with this invasion they need to get a move on before the news channels do it for them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Site Supporter Tonge moor green jacket Posted October 16, 2023 Site Supporter Share Posted October 16, 2023 9 minutes ago, Spider said: If they’re bothering with this invasion they need to get a move on before the news channels do it for them. Why the rush? Do it when they're ready. 350 miles of tunnels to sort out apparently- that's going to take time to prepare. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Site Supporter Spider Posted October 16, 2023 Site Supporter Share Posted October 16, 2023 3 minutes ago, Tonge moor green jacket said: Why the rush? Do it when they're ready. 350 miles of tunnels to sort out apparently- that's going to take time to prepare. I’m in no rush, but ten minutes watching the news and I’m surprised Kay Burley and co. aren’t piling into Gaza atop Sky News tanks in a hail of gunfire. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Site Supporter Tonge moor green jacket Posted October 16, 2023 Site Supporter Share Posted October 16, 2023 Key Burley? Nah, she'd be too busy having a party in the pub. Anyway, watching the Statement and questions in the house: there are clearly some with a level of sympathy for the terrorists. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Farrelli Posted October 16, 2023 Share Posted October 16, 2023 19 minutes ago, Tonge moor green jacket said: Anyway, watching the Statement and questions in the house: there are clearly some with a level of sympathy for the terrorists. Or war crimes by Israel cannot be supported otherwise we look rather hypocritical in the Ukraine situation. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators Casino Posted October 16, 2023 Moderators Share Posted October 16, 2023 schapps says we have a ship in the vicinity to deter others from getting involved obvious question is what gives us the right, or desire, to get involved Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Site Supporter Tonge moor green jacket Posted October 16, 2023 Site Supporter Share Posted October 16, 2023 17 minutes ago, Farrelli said: Or war crimes by Israel cannot be supported otherwise we look rather hypocritical in the Ukraine situation. Alhough of course I would expect you to be anti-Israel, your point is correct, but that isn’t the point I made. The words and tone of one or two caused clear unrest in the house, and they were rebuked by subsequent comments. They went beyond the obvious. I'm sure the Israelis would be delighted to be given a better means of dealing with Hamas, without the deaths of civilians, but so far its the same rhetoric- don't do this, that or the other, whilst not holding the terrorists the the same standards. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Site Supporter Tonge moor green jacket Posted October 16, 2023 Site Supporter Share Posted October 16, 2023 13 minutes ago, Casino said: schapps says we have a ship in the vicinity to deter others from getting involved obvious question is what gives us the right, or desire, to get involved Leave them to it then. If another holocaust happens, what would you say? We've also got our citizens dead and being held hostage, so we've every right to get involved. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators Casino Posted October 16, 2023 Moderators Share Posted October 16, 2023 5 minutes ago, Tonge moor green jacket said: Leave them to it then. If another holocaust happens, what would you say? We've also got our citizens dead and being held hostage, so we've every right to get involved. many other nations might feel justified in getting involved who are we to decide who piles in i bet theres nationals of many arab countries been killed are they allowed to be involved? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Farrelli Posted October 16, 2023 Share Posted October 16, 2023 (edited) 15 minutes ago, Tonge moor green jacket said: Alhough of course I would expect you to be anti-Israel, your point is correct, but that isn’t the point I made. The words and tone of one or two caused clear unrest in the house, and they were rebuked by subsequent comments. They went beyond the obvious. I'm sure the Israelis would be delighted to be given a better means of dealing with Hamas, without the deaths of civilians, but so far its the same rhetoric- don't do this, that or the other, whilst not holding the terrorists the the same standards. Politicians have to be very careful about their comments in these exchanges. On that I completely agree. Im not sure why I’d be anti-Israel. What I’m about is not lurching towards serious escalation in the Middle East. Hamas are terrorists so they don’t have the same responsibility as Israel. There are no standards for terrorists. Edited October 16, 2023 by Farrelli Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Site Supporter MickyD Posted October 16, 2023 Site Supporter Share Posted October 16, 2023 3 minutes ago, Farrelli said: There are no standards for terrorists. I’m not sure about that. Do you remember the ‘shoe bomber’ bloke who tried to detonate explosive in his shoes on a plane? If we’re talking standards, I’d say he was a fairly poor terrorist. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
little whitt Posted October 16, 2023 Share Posted October 16, 2023 1 hour ago, Casino said: schapps says we have a ship in the vicinity to deter others from getting involved obvious question is what gives us the right, or desire, to get involved We dont realy need out there The Yanks have 2 Battle Groups there unless its to pick up UK Passport Holders Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
London Wanderer Posted October 16, 2023 Share Posted October 16, 2023 (edited) 1 hour ago, Tonge moor green jacket said: Anyway, watching the Statement and questions in the house: there are clearly some with a level of sympathy for the terrorists. 58 minutes ago, Tonge moor green jacket said: Alhough of course I would expect you to be anti-Israel Jesus Christ Does having a balanced view on this now make you anti-Israel? Which MPs specifically are terrorist sympathisers? And what have they said that proves they support Hamas? Edited October 16, 2023 by London Wanderer Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
green genie Posted October 16, 2023 Share Posted October 16, 2023 3 minutes ago, little whitt said: We dont realy need out there The Yanks have 2 Battle Groups there unless its to pick up UK Passport Holders @royal white’s mates en route on RFA Argus probably to do just that. Has fair few hospital beds as well Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
London Wanderer Posted October 16, 2023 Share Posted October 16, 2023 36 minutes ago, Farrelli said: Politicians have to be very careful about their comments in these exchanges. On that I completely agree. Im not sure why I’d be anti-Israel. What I’m about is not lurching towards serious escalation in the Middle East. Hamas are terrorists so they don’t have the same responsibility as Israel. There are no standards for terrorists. Nah mate, you’ve looked at the wider picture, historical context and taken a balanced view. That makes you anti-Israel and a terrorist sympathiser. Just like the MPs 🙄 Nearly 2000 dead in Israel’s response- 600 of them children. I get the anger and need to do something, but I don’t see how this fixes it. Political analyst on R4 saying today that it’s playing into Hamas hands and distancing Israel from Arab nations who they had built ties with recently, such as Saudi Arabia. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gonzo Posted October 16, 2023 Share Posted October 16, 2023 Palestinian bloke debating with the presenter on sky news then. Proper indoctrinated. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators Carlos Posted October 16, 2023 Moderators Share Posted October 16, 2023 How come they can smuggle in a fuck ton of rocket launchers but can get food and water in? Just wondering. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Farrelli Posted October 16, 2023 Share Posted October 16, 2023 15 minutes ago, London Wanderer said: Nah mate, you’ve looked at the wider picture, historical context and taken a balanced view. That makes you anti-Israel and a terrorist sympathiser. Just like the MPs 🙄 Nearly 2000 dead in Israel’s response- 600 of them children. I get the anger and need to do something, but I don’t see how this fixes it. Political analyst on R4 saying today that it’s playing into Hamas hands and distancing Israel from Arab nations who they had built ties with recently, such as Saudi Arabia. Thanks, I agree. Hopefully sense prevails. We need calm heads more than ever. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
globaldiver Posted October 16, 2023 Share Posted October 16, 2023 If Iran get involved, make sure you haven’t left any good wine; get it drunk. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Site Supporter Spider Posted October 16, 2023 Site Supporter Share Posted October 16, 2023 10 minutes ago, globaldiver said: If Iran get involved, make sure you haven’t left any good wine; get it drunk. Waaaayyyyyyyy ahead of you there chief Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sweep Posted October 16, 2023 Share Posted October 16, 2023 26 minutes ago, globaldiver said: If Iran get involved, make sure you haven’t left any good wine; get it drunk. They wouldn't dare, not directly anyway Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Site Supporter Spider Posted October 16, 2023 Site Supporter Share Posted October 16, 2023 Just now, Sweep said: They wouldn't dare, not directly anyway The Iranian minister said he’d been talking to his allies - Malaysia, Tunisia, Pakistan. I know whose side I’m on. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sweep Posted October 16, 2023 Share Posted October 16, 2023 4 minutes ago, Spider said: The Iranian minister said he’d been talking to his allies - Malaysia, Tunisia, Pakistan. I know whose side I’m on. Sounds like the countries that Liz Truss was boasting about getting new trade deals with 😁 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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