athywhite1958 Posted October 7, 2023 Share Posted October 7, 2023 Just now, FrancisFogarty said: It was shite though today. We are not just losing though, we are not even turning up. And that's what is so disappointing. I agree mate, but there is no point slagging folk off, people get affected by abuse, they all (including the manager) know it's been a shit day at the office, they will work on putting it right, we haver to continue to support them, it is what being a football fan is all about Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johnnyrotten Posted October 7, 2023 Share Posted October 7, 2023 42 minutes ago, DougStanhope said: We are the Carlisle boys making all the noise every where we gooo Enjoy your day, well played the team and the backing from the fans. Never in my life have I felt the need to share my pleasure at winning with the fans of the defeated team and I've seen us win at Arsenal, Man U, Liverpool, Man City, Tranmere and Darlington. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators Zico Posted October 7, 2023 Moderators Share Posted October 7, 2023 17 minutes ago, Johnnyrotten said: Dempsey and Morley aren't in the same league for passing, both very wasteful, different types of players. None of our midfielders are strong enough, that's the IE way. Dempsey has decent strength, but looking at Stevenage the other night put that in some perspective. GT - I disagree. So limited, he may try to move the ball forward but god knows where it will end up, if he manages to control it in the first place. Then if he does lose possession, he fouls an opponent to make up for it. Can't shoot, can't take a free kick, has no right foot, can't head. That's only picking out his negatives but that's what you did for Sheehan. I fail to see how anyone could put Tomo above Sheehan. Because GT is worth £1m and JS is worth nothing because he was a free Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bolton va va Posted October 7, 2023 Share Posted October 7, 2023 It's a good time for a 2 week break.....hopefully & crucially get Santos back, hopefully have Maghoma & Gomes available again, give Dempsey the break he clearly needs & pray that Charles doesn't get injured for N.I. Then we go again. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zog1 Posted October 7, 2023 Share Posted October 7, 2023 Again proven right, when i want to be proven wrong. Our wingbacks aren't really the issue, It's with this formation and a structure they'd need to be near premier league quality to do what IE wants them to and with respect to them, they aren't. To couple that we have 4 identical strikers and 4/5 identical central midfielders. It won't work, not only is there role duplication, there's almost no flair or strength in the team. It's totally one dimensional and predictable. I wasn't sure 4/5 months ago that IE has the skill or knowledge to do or think of anything else, i remain to be convinced. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
waffer cup 07 Posted October 7, 2023 Share Posted October 7, 2023 4 minutes ago, Zog1 said: Again proven right, when i want to be proven wrong. Our wingbacks aren't really the issue, It's with this formation and a structure they'd need to be near premier league quality to do what IE wants them to and with respect to them, they aren't. To couple that we have 4 identical strikers and 4/5 identical central midfielders. It won't work, not only is there role duplication, there's almost no flair or strength in the team. It's totally one dimensional and predictable. I wasn't sure 4/5 months ago that IE has the skill or knowledge to do or think of anything else, i remain to be convinced. Identical strikers and midfields?? Really. Explain. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zog1 Posted October 7, 2023 Share Posted October 7, 2023 1 minute ago, waffer cup 07 said: Identical strikers and midfields?? Really. Explain. Tell me whats the role difference between Morley, Dempsey, Thomason, and Sheehan, Or even between Dion and Victor? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johnnyrotten Posted October 7, 2023 Share Posted October 7, 2023 15 minutes ago, kent_white said: Fair enough. I'd have GT in a heartbeat over Sheehan. Morley, Dempsey and Sheehan in the middle of the park is purgatory to me. JS - is looks terrified to take risks. And that's not good enough for someone who is in a vital position in our system. He's neat and tidy. And he might well have a good footballing brain. But if you don't do anything with the ball - then you need dropping. Anyway - no point labouring the point. I think I've made the point that I think he woefully under performs. Would be quite happy to see him score a hat trick next week. But suspect I'll just see him fannying about in the wrong half as per usual. I think its all relative. In my opinion he's less bad than some of the other midfielders. None of them can do most of shooting straight more than once in 2 months, beat a man, tackle, win headers, use more than 1 foot, win a header, tackle, drive forward or show captain-like qualities (Dempsey probably has more of those than most, but is out of form). We got rid of Lee, MJ, Dapo and Sadlier who offered some of those qualities, I'm not getting into the debate of the rights and wrongs of their departures, but I do know we haven't replaced what they brought to the squad. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johnnyrotten Posted October 7, 2023 Share Posted October 7, 2023 16 minutes ago, Zico said: Because GT is worth £1m and JS is worth nothing because he was a free Oh yes I forgot. That explains why Vic plays instead of JDB, Vic is worth £0.5mil and JDB is worth nothing because he was free. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eddie Posted October 7, 2023 Share Posted October 7, 2023 21 minutes ago, kent_white said: Fair enough. I'd have GT in a heartbeat over Sheehan. Morley, Dempsey and Sheehan in the middle of the park is purgatory to me. JS - is looks terrified to take risks. And that's not good enough for someone who is in a vital position in our system. He's neat and tidy. And he might well have a good footballing brain. But if you don't do anything with the ball - then you need dropping. Anyway - no point labouring the point. I think I've made the point that I think he woefully under performs. Would be quite happy to see him score a hat trick next week. But suspect I'll just see him fannying about in the wrong half as per usual. You know Sheehan wears number 8 and not number 4 don’t you? Obviously all about opinions and fair enough that you see it that way, but I can’t believe how opposite you see Sheehan’s ability and performances to me (and I think most of us). The guy is a class above, he could play in the Championship, he never hides, always wants the ball, is comfortable on it when surrounded by defenders, rarely misplaces a pass and scores his fair share of goals too. There were many things wrong today but Sheehan wasn’t one. His position on the pitch was, granted, and it is every time IE decides to put GT on the pitch because Sheehan and Dempsey are pushed forward and are so reliant on him taking it off the defence and finding them through the lines - instead he’s chasing his first touch, staring at the ground, trying to sort his feet out and having to pass it straight back where it came from. Having santos back and Sheehan back at the base of the midfield would make a big difference, albeit it wouldn’t solve the shit show at left wing back or our inability for the forwards to put more than 2 passes together. I’ve said all along that with IE there may be short term dips but our overall trajectory will be upwards. I’m sticking with it, and we feel very much in a dip at the mo, but he’s got to help himself and stop being so fucking stubborn!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RUREADY2ROLL Posted October 7, 2023 Share Posted October 7, 2023 2 hours ago, Casino said: Exactly Its a mad night Like whenever we lose #Nobsrus This backlash has been coming; the last two wins we were very lucky. The tactics are atrocious and he is stubborn and won’t change it. the recruitment has been a joke over the last three windows and we seem much weaker this season albeit Cheltenham and FGR defeats last season where just as bad. I don’t want IE out but unless he sorts things soon the fans will turn against him and only the likes of Cheese and yourself will back him. The next six league games are massive and will determine our season Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eddie Posted October 7, 2023 Share Posted October 7, 2023 Just now, RUREADY2ROLL said: This backlash has been coming; the last two wins we were very lucky. The tactics are atrocious and he is stubborn and won’t change it. the recruitment has been a joke over the last three windows and we seem much weaker this season albeit Cheltenham and FGR defeats last season where just as bad. I don’t want IE out but unless he sorts things soon the fans will turn against him and only the likes of Cheese and yourself will back him. The next six league games are massive and will determine our season He’s never had high expectations from a fan base in his time as a manager - well this year he very much has and I don’t think his personality sets him up well to cope with it. Time will tell but it is certainly a new challenge for him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
captainmed Posted October 7, 2023 Share Posted October 7, 2023 1 hour ago, Mounts Kipper said: I think Evatt engenders a lot of hate from both ours and opposition fans, he comes across as arrogant and a Captain med says he’s very egotistical and into the mix his stubbornness and you can see why he’s controversial figure. We haven’t played well since mid-August. We rolled over against an average Wigan team and their results since prove it. We beat 10 man Derby and their red was rescinded. Reading haven’t won a game since they beat us. We were very lucky to beat Stevenage. Carlisle had won 1 game in 11 before today. We have more points on the board than we deserve. You simply couldn’t have wished for better opponents to start with, especially with 7 out of the 11 at home. He’ll be gone by Xmas. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mounts Kipper Posted October 7, 2023 Share Posted October 7, 2023 23 minutes ago, Zog1 said: Tell me whats the role difference between Morley, Dempsey, Thomason, and Sheehan, Or even between Dion and Victor? You reckon Victor and Dion are similar types… really? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RUREADY2ROLL Posted October 7, 2023 Share Posted October 7, 2023 2 minutes ago, captainmed said: We haven’t played well since mid-August. We rolled over against an average Wigan team and their results since prove it. We beat 10 man Derby and their red was rescinded. Reading haven’t won a game since they beat us. We were very lucky to beat Stevenage. Carlisle had won 1 game in 11 before today. We have more points on the board than we deserve. You simply couldn’t have wished for better opponents to start with, especially with 7 out of the 11 at home. He’ll be gone by Xmas. If it doesn’t improve soon then you could be right but Sharron seems to fully behind him. Everything you say is correct and even Fleetwood made it difficult in the third game and we have been shit in every game since; yes we have bossed parts of games but once put under pressure we fall apart Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zog1 Posted October 7, 2023 Share Posted October 7, 2023 8 minutes ago, captainmed said: We haven’t played well since mid-August. We rolled over against an average Wigan team and their results since prove it. We beat 10 man Derby and their red was rescinded. Reading haven’t won a game since they beat us. We were very lucky to beat Stevenage. Carlisle had won 1 game in 11 before today. We have more points on the board than we deserve. You simply couldn’t have wished for better opponents to start with, especially with 7 out of the 11 at home. He’ll be gone by Xmas. I think what angers people is he seem totally oblivious to it and totally resistant to change. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr. Feelgood Posted October 7, 2023 Share Posted October 7, 2023 Just now, RUREADY2ROLL said: Sharron seems to fully behind him. ... & so she should. Until she isn't. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zog1 Posted October 7, 2023 Share Posted October 7, 2023 1 minute ago, Mounts Kipper said: You reckon Victor and Dion are similar types… really? Yes, there are loads of examples were they've got in each others way, because they're literally going for the same ball. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mounts Kipper Posted October 7, 2023 Share Posted October 7, 2023 Just now, Zog1 said: I think what angers people is he seem totally oblivious to it and totally resistant to change. We ain’t sacking a manager who’s team are currently just short of 2 points a game, It will have to turn seriously to shit from here on in of he’s getting sacked. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mounts Kipper Posted October 7, 2023 Share Posted October 7, 2023 Just now, Zog1 said: Yes, there are loads of examples were they've got in each others way, because they're literally going for the same ball. That doesn’t mean they are similar types. It’s beyond ridiculous you think they are. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators Casino Posted October 7, 2023 Moderators Share Posted October 7, 2023 1 hour ago, Tonge moor green jacket said: I'm sort of with you. He's a very talented footballer, but for all his talent, he struggles to impose himself at times. Then he scores a cracker like the Stevenage goal. Definitely needs some gritty teammates to help him. Possibly back to the formation debate, would 4 or 5 in there free him up? Id say sheehan has had a better seasin than thomasson and dempsey who has been more than a bit shit. May well be injured so ill lay off until we have options available, he may well be fucked Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zog1 Posted October 7, 2023 Share Posted October 7, 2023 3 minutes ago, Mounts Kipper said: That doesn’t mean they are similar types. It’s beyond ridiculous you think they are. Victors a bit bulkier but that's about the only difference i see, their play is very similar, I think Dion's a better finisher but that's about it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RUREADY2ROLL Posted October 7, 2023 Share Posted October 7, 2023 1 minute ago, Casino said: Id say sheehan has had a better seasin than thomasson and dempsey who has been more than a bit shit. May well be injured so ill lay off until we have options available, he may well be fucked Dempsey started well and it’s only the last 3-4 games when he has been a bit shit. Thomason is an unusual one and Tuesday I thought he was brilliant even on a booking; he started well today but after he totally missed the ball he deteriorated and no wonder he was benched. Sheehan has been the bright light this season; god knows what would happen if we lost him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moonguest Posted October 7, 2023 Share Posted October 7, 2023 Let’s be honest. Evatt and BWFC will never appear together in the Championship. When everyone accepts that, perhaps we can move on. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mounts Kipper Posted October 7, 2023 Share Posted October 7, 2023 1 minute ago, Zog1 said: Victors a bit bulkier but that's about the only difference i see, their play is very similar, I think Dion's a better finisher but that's about it. They are nothing like similar, both have very different strengths and have completely different roles and style of play. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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