Wrexham (H)

[Casino]

i like evatt and i like morley but i im not sure evatt has got it right with morley and i do think he could be one of those that we look at when hes gone and say 'why'

he could be a stand out at a mid table team where he isn't required to be an all in one

[ianofcleveleys]

1 hour ago, Tonge moor green jacket said:

I don't think he will.

If the new formation and method doesn't come to fruition within that time, then I reckon we'll see 3 midfielders and 2 strikers again.

Especially away from home.

Evatt's gone back to a three up top with a combination of players that, while arguably of better quality, are less suited to it than those he had when he previously decided to ditch it. 

I also think it won't last as an idea and Matete will get in alongside Thomason rather than instead of him.

At the risk of being labelled a coaching guru, I'm baffled why Evatt hasn't considered putting Sheehan in a more advanced role in behind whichever two of his gaggle of strikers he prefers. His nippy footwork and short passing would, for me, cause damage in and around the likes of Collins, McAtee and Charles, and he'd draw fouls in far more dangerous areas than at present, where opposing forwards get away with knocking him about 60 yards from their goal.

[Casino]

30 minutes ago, ianofcleveleys said:

 

At the risk of being labelled a coaching guru,

i thought you were

 

[Tonge moor green jacket]

59 minutes ago, ianofcleveleys said:

Evatt's gone back to a three up top with a combination of players that, while arguably of better quality, are less suited to it than those he had when he previously decided to ditch it. 

I also think it won't last as an idea and Matete will get in alongside Thomason rather than instead of him.

At the risk of being labelled a coaching guru, I'm baffled why Evatt hasn't considered putting Sheehan in a more advanced role in behind whichever two of his gaggle of strikers he prefers. His nippy footwork and short passing would, for me, cause damage in and around the likes of Collins, McAtee and Charles, and he'd draw fouls in far more dangerous areas than at present, where opposing forwards get away with knocking him about 60 yards from their goal.

Yep.

The new method surely means less opportunity to receive passes from the back line, and possibly more pressure when he does.

In that case, why not give him a freer role further forward?

I'm sure the coaching staff will be continually reviewing things though and may well have considered it.

[ianofcleveleys]

3 hours ago, Casino said:

i thought you were

 

Haha, nice one 🤣. I know a bit about coaching but in athletics 🏃

[Rival Son]

3 hours ago, Tonge moor green jacket said:

In that case, why not give him a freer role further forward?

What role are you suggesting that is?

Are you saying he’d replace Collins or McAtee, as one of the 10s.

Or are you suggesting we go back to 2 forwards and play 3-4-1-2?

I have discounted going with a one man central midfield. 😉

[gonzo]

Sheehan would be ace as a number 10 playing cheeky little balls though to an off the shoulder striker like Dion.

Trouble is we don't play that way and spend most weeks passing the ball in a big arch around a block of 11 men.

 

[Tonge moor green jacket]

1 hour ago, Rival Son said:

What role are you suggesting that is?

Are you saying he’d replace Collins or McAtee, as one of the 10s.

Or are you suggesting we go back to 2 forwards and play 3-4-1-2?

I have discounted going with a one man central midfield. 😉

I think Gonzo has nailed it.

Still think, away from home in particular, that we will sometimes see the 3 in midfield and 2 up top though.

First game saw something in between in a way with Arfield.

[Wanderlust]

2 hours ago, Rival Son said:

I have discounted going with a one man central midfield. 😉

Charlton have gone for 3 central mids  this season in a 352 so not having one is no bad idea for Saturday.

[TM Trotter]

7 hours ago, nantwichwhite said:

In the cold light of day, two games per week, the league we are in and the winter weather setting in. Matete will replace Sheehan, unless we can find Sheehan a more creative advanced role. 

That's where I'm at. I don't see GT being dropped, or deserving of it. Thomason was excellent (particularly first half) Sunday. Sheehan struggled to find his man and seems unwilling to beat a man or make a tackle.

Particularly in the slugger away games, I can see Matete and Thomason being our two CMs. 

As an aside, it might have been said, but I don't think all 3 of McAtee, Charles and Collins can start. Where's the impetus in the last 25 if none of those come on? Arfield isn't that man, and as much as I love him, neither is Dempsey. Wouldn't mind either or both of them starting behind a ratter like Charles or McAtee though... gives options in the late stages. 

[Casino]

I must say, i do like the option of keeping a couple of attacking 'starters' back for the last half hour

How you keep em happy is another thing

[wanderer1984]

8 hours ago, Casino said:

i like evatt and i like morley but i im not sure evatt has got it right with morley and i do think he could be one of those that we look at when hes gone and say 'why'

he could be a stand out at a mid table team where he isn't required to be an all in one

I had him down as a James Maddison type player ... shitter but the potential to grow.

Shame its not worked out. Think he needs game time which we can't offer him to show his true potential.

[Wanderlust]

2 hours ago, Casino said:

I must say, i do like the option of keeping a couple of attacking 'starters' back for the last half hour

How you keep em happy is another thing

I think Evatt alluded to the new signings as "bringing more energy" in the final period of the game which is a good thing -providing we're not chasing a lost cause by then. But if the starting X1 are there to "wear down the opposition" for this momentous moment (notwithstanding the fact that they can bring on subs of their own) then surely Matete has to start alongside George if we stick with a midfield 4? He just feels more secure than Sheehan. To me it makes more sense to use Sheehan as one of the late subs rather than Matete so he doesn't have to do the donkey work and he'll be fresher to try to use his passing skills against a less fresh defence.

I'm slightly concerned that any opposition playing e.g. 352 like Charlton this season could overrun us in midfield though - but that's a system issue.

[Traf]

We're still suggesting that we don't pick last year's player of the year and a guy who made the PFA team of the year?

[Casino]

Fifa and putting cones out  for a kids team has a lot to answer for

 

[Wanderlust]

2 hours ago, Traf said:

We're still suggesting that we don't pick last year's player of the year and a guy who made the PFA team of the year?

Last years man suited to last years system - until he was worked out. Needs to reinvent himself again.

Edited August 21, 2024 by Wanderlust

[only1swanny]

6 hours ago, Wanderlust said:

Last years man suited to last years system - until he was worked out. Needs to reinvent himself again.

Them both winning that award (Santos and Sheehan) has put a huge neon marker on them, but should be a reason to worry other teams,

Early days for the new system, 4 points from 6, with a unlucky draw and dominating of a team, who despite having just come up, are being totted as a team that will do well this year.. 

Which of our 4 forwards to drop is a massive head ache in itself,  and IE will work it out 

[gonzo]

7 hours ago, Wanderlust said:

Last years man suited to last years system - until he was worked out. Needs to reinvent himself again.

You mean the system was worked out.

 

[Tonge moor green jacket]

4 minutes ago, gonzo said:

You mean the system was worked out.

 

Either way.

To combat that we're now looking to a new system.

If that means shifting Sheehan's position then fine.

Inevitably, questions will be asked if he's one of only 2 midfielders, and that midfielder is increasingly by-passed as part of the new style.

Fwiw, with Metete here now, I wouldn't mind seeing last year's set up, with him alongside Sheehan and Tomo.

Looks to be better balanced, certainly defensively. 

[gonzo]

For me, especially in the first half, everything still ran through Sheehan. 

I thought he was brilliant. Bought the ball out continually out from defence and made things happen with a higher tempo. I was quite surprised how much room they gave him, didn't seen like they could live with him.

Changed in the second half when the tempo dropped and they clearly made a change get on him. Forced him in to a few mistakes and he had no space to breath. After 10 mins of that 2nd he should've been off and a change of shape in midfield.

As for Santos, I really don't get any negative press from Sunday at all. He ate absolutely everything up. Yon lad tried bullying and scrapping all game and Santos never gave an inch. There was one instant he got beat for pace and even then he was an inch away from making the challenge. 

Sure people just pick up on one mistake or misplaced pass and remember that instead of the rest of the games good work.

 

[batton carrier]

Can we have a new thread . Wrexham will be thinking they are more massive than Wigan do

[Steejay]

19 minutes ago, batton carrier said:

Can we have a new thread . Wrexham will be thinking they are more massive than Wigan do

Aye, get this unpinned @Casino

Move on - Charlton the priority now.

[Wanderlust]

2 hours ago, gonzo said:

You mean the system was worked out.

 

In the sense that it was overdependent on Sheehan quarterbacking the team, yes - too easy to stop and opposition managers openly said they would target him.

 

[Krimzon]

20 hours ago, only1swanny said:

 

Early days for the new system, 4 points from 6, with a unlucky draw and dominating of a team, who despite having just come up, are being totted as a team that will do well this year.. 

 

If we had drawn 0-0 at Orient and beaten Wrexham 2-1 I bet everyone would be feeling much happier thinking of 2 good results. 

[Zico]

3 hours ago, Krimzon said:

If we had drawn 0-0 at Orient and beaten Wrexham 2-1 I bet everyone would be feeling much happier thinking of 2 good results. 

Aye, Folk would just have said "we'd have lost at Orient last season", and "we'd have drawn with Wrexham last season"

So long as we're on or ahead of 2 points per game I'm happy with results overall 

Still annoyed we didn't beat Wrexham but never mind