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[Johnnyrotten]

12 minutes ago, only1swanny said:

Could see him amd inwood playing frequently next year.

Big D up front needs to start a game with Collins..

And as above, I think McAtee us tge bad apple, no real position for him, playing as a forward when he's certainly not, he's had a few goals but he's had some stinkers.

Collins has struggled since the two of them have played up top together, 

However I reckon either could go, given an offer comes in.. 

Only my opinion but if Big Dave is starting games for us next season, we haven't strengthened and we'll struggle.  If anyone thinks he's good enough based on his few appearances, ask yourself if we'd rather play against him next season, or the forwards that other teams possess as demonstrated in the last few weeks if nothing else.  I'd be amazed if he plays regularly above National League level based on what I've seen, I think some fans are so conscious of how lightweight we are that they'll take any level of footballer that doesn't fall over in a stiff breeze.

[Whitestar]

He's done nothing to impress me, Evatt was SO right when he said sacking him wouldn't improve anything.

[bolton_blondie]

Best part of the day….Chinese on the way home to eat all by my fatty bum bum self 

[Tonge moor green jacket]

5 minutes ago, Johnnyrotten said:

Only my opinion but if Big Dave is starting games for us next season, we haven't strengthened and we'll struggle.  If anyone thinks he's good enough based on his few appearances, ask yourself if we'd rather play against him next season, or the forwards that other teams possess as demonstrated in the last few weeks if nothing else.  I'd be amazed if he plays regularly above National League level based on what I've seen, I think some fans are so conscious of how lightweight we are that they'll take any level of footballer that doesn't fall over in a stiff breeze.

All our youngsters need to be given time, and not judged after the odd substitute appearance.

They have had to come in when numerous senior players have developed softtwatitis, and the team is underperforming. 

Way to early to make such judgements until they've had a preseason and further coaching and maturing.

I think SS believes they've got a gem in Inwood too.

[worthy10]

7 minutes ago, thebells said:

So would you sack SS at this point? Serious question! 

No. But backing him may break the bank. I've not checked the stats, but his record with us must be up there with his worst as a manager. I'd have liked to have seen more of a positive influence in 4 months, that all.

[ianofcleveleys]

9 minutes ago, Johnnyrotten said:

Only my opinion but if Big Dave is starting games for us next season, we haven't strengthened and we'll struggle.  If anyone thinks he's good enough based on his few appearances, ask yourself if we'd rather play against him next season, or the forwards that other teams possess as demonstrated in the last few weeks if nothing else.  I'd be amazed if he plays regularly above National League level based on what I've seen, I think some fans are so conscious of how lightweight we are that they'll take any level of footballer that doesn't fall over in a stiff breeze.

It's been good experience for the young lads, which I'm sure they've enjoyed and will benefit from but only Inwood would, for me, be one to retain in the squad for next season. Dave and Daeshon need a period of experience in men's football, even if it's a half season loan in L2 or National League.

Dave is really raw and, in the games he's played, has had little opportunity to show what he can actually do with the ball at his feet facing goal, whether he can run and stretch defenders, carry the ball etc. He's done a lot of battling and backing in, and done ok with it, but that's about it. Daeshon looked like he had a bit of range, could pop the ball to people well and shapes like he could run at defenders. 

If they don't go out on loan I'd certainly like to see them feature every game in the Vertu Trophy and be around the bench in the cups 

[mickbrown]

36 minutes ago, Johnnyrotten said:

Nobody's pretending he hasn't been a disappointment or that he hasn't missed sitters.

But purely based on the last 2 games, and today in particular, that's a harsh assessment IMO.

Tried hard today, looked up for it, and did some good stuff, sharp passing and intelligent running.  If I'd never seen him before I'd be happy with his last 2 games (2 horrific misses aside and total lack of aerial threat).

I see all his faults, but feel like some fans refuse to see what he does well too.

Fair enough, but he’s everything I hate in a footballer 

[Tonge moor green jacket]

1 minute ago, worthy10 said:

No. But backing him may break the bank. I've not checked the stats, but his record with us must be up there with his worst as a manager. I'd have liked to have seen more of a positive influence in 4 months, that all.

They won't take that risk. 

As elsewhere, they can spend whatever the Swiss choose to give them, until they stop.

They don't own the club though, and as such can't suddenly demand their money back, and do an Anderson.

So long as FV manage the club sustainably, where losses aren't beyond what is funded then we should be fine.

 

[Farnywhite]

11 minutes ago, worthy10 said:

No. But backing him may break the bank. I've not checked the stats, but his record with us must be up there with his worst as a manager. I'd have liked to have seen more of a positive influence in 4 months, that all.

There is no alternative to backing him though . No other manager could possibly get this squad promoted . 
if he makes signings in the summer and nothing changes then he will be under pressure and rightfully so 

Edited May 3 by Farnywhite

[Dimron]

25 minutes ago, thebells said:

So would you sack SS at this point? Serious question! 

I would be more concerned about him jacking

[Duck Egg]

11 minutes ago, worthy10 said:

I'd have liked to have seen more of a positive influence in 4 months, that all.

I don't think that's unreasonable. At the very least I was hoping us to look a little more robust at defending set pieces and more threatening from our own.  The personnel and injuries have undoubtedly stymied him but we've not seen enough of any new coach influence imo. 

[Tonge moor green jacket]

1 minute ago, Farnywhite said:

There is no alternative to backing him though . No other manager could possibly get this squad promoted . 
if he makes singlings in the summer and nothing changes then he will be under pressure and rightfully so 

That's a bit extreme.

And impossible to prove. 

 

[Farnywhite]

7 minutes ago, Tonge moor green jacket said:

That's a bit extreme.

And impossible to prove. 

 

Like evett said nothing will change we could sack SS get  someone else in and keep the same squad and we will be even lower next season probably round we’re Wigan are now our form is horrendous and this lot are shot . 

who do you think would of got us up as manager ? 

Edited May 3 by Farnywhite

[BWFC_LOVE]

1 hour ago, Farnywhite said:

SS as definitely had is eyes opened . coming into the job looking from the outside he probably thought just needed a bit of tinkering here and there instead of a re build he now has on is hands . But at least it starts on Monday 

He as much as said that when he came in, and I agreed with him at the time, albeit aware that we were short in some areas.

No idea what’s happened but 7 losses in 9 previous to last week is not good at all, and it certainly doesn’t look like many are playing for him. Injuries haven’t helped. Maybe a case of some downing tools knowing they’re not part of future plans etc. but the last dozen games are a far-cry from the Birmingham win.

A note for George Thomason who was better than most today. As usual.

McAtee. Really don’t get him at all. General play awful. Not a striker. The odd goal has not remotely been worth his outlay. Could have had Sam Smith for the same money. 

Gethin. Sad to see things end but dreadful today.

Edited May 3 by BWFC_LOVE

[thebells]

31 minutes ago, worthy10 said:

No. But backing him may break the bank. I've not checked the stats, but his record with us must be up there with his worst as a manager. I'd have liked to have seen more of a positive influence in 4 months, that all.

Don’t disagree his record has been poor since arriving. As I said, was a genuine question. Perils of running a club. Backing him may break the bank. Sacking him may break the bank. 

Gut feel is he’s been fighting some serious culture issues on the training ground. Even Santos, who I’ve backed and have spent time with, threw the towel in a couple of weeks ago. 

His record at Plymouth shows he has a track record. But I think we may need to be patient. 

[thebells]

20 minutes ago, Dimron said:

I would be more concerned about him jacking

Not a chance. Walking away would leave his career in tatters at this point. 

[Farnywhite]

8 minutes ago, BWFC_LOVE said:

No idea what’s happened but 7 losses in 9 previous to last week is not good at all, and it certainly doesn’t look like many are playing for him. Injuries haven’t helped. Maybe a case of some downing tools knowing they’re not part of future plans etc. but the last dozen games are a far-cry from the Birmingham win.

It wouldn’t surprise me if a few have down tools didn’t evatt accuse them of tossing it off in training when he wasn’t there ?  Total lack of professionalism 

he as probably had to treat them with kid gloves to get to the end of the season with only 12 saying they can play hopefully the gloves are off now and he can get stuck into them 

Edited May 3 by Farnywhite

[thebells]

16 minutes ago, Farnywhite said:

Like evett said nothing will change we could sack SS get  someone else in and keep the same squad and we will be even lower next season probably round we’re Wigan are now our form is horrendous and this lot are shot . 

who do you think would of got us up as manager ? 

I think you’ve missed his point! 

[Tonge moor green jacket]

4 minutes ago, thebells said:

I think you’ve missed his point! 

I'm going for Lord Lucan.

Guaranteed to succeed.

[onefinfrandsen]

1 hour ago, worthy10 said:

SS  is increasingly angry and critical of the players in recent weeks. He understandably sung the praises of the squad when he took over. It has slowly dawned on him that they are poor both mentally and in ability. However, I have seen nothing in any player or in game tactics that show me that SS can improve us, and I expected to.

The point that the board have played a major part in this seasons failings, is true and laboured.

I can't believe that we have enough money to spend, to rebuild that squad. We are so far off what is required in terms of experience, tactic and physicality, that I unfortunately wonder if we can turn things around a compete as promotion candidates.

We have so many players who are lightweight, who shirk a challenge. Given that fact alone, a missive transformation is required.

Tend to agree, we are going to be starting from scratch next season, the players that come in ( hopefully) are going to have to be the spine of the squad. Integrated with the players that ss keeps. Realistically if we are not throwing millions at it which seems likely we may have to reign our expectations in , reaching next year’s playoffs would be a massive success.

[gonzo]

52 minutes ago, bolton_blondie said:

Best part of the day….Chinese on the way home to eat all by my fatty bum bum self 

You giving your pet Munich any

[bolton_blondie]

6 minutes ago, gonzo said:

You giving your pet Munich any

He’s fishing for the weekend. I’m living my best life 

[ianofcleveleys]

SS was, reasonably, only going to say diplomatic things about the squad in his first few days, including about Etete, whatever he might have said and thought privately. Hardly going to come out and say 'I've inherited a proper crock of shit here' given where we were in the table and us just having had a couple of good wins.

He was surprisingly charitable in his piece with Iles the other day, talking about how performances hadn't been bad and the lads had given their all, a bit out of context with his views after recent games. His post-match tonight is more in keeping with his mood after Wycombe, Lincoln etc and betrays that he's had a proper bellyful of what he's been seeing.

As he said, the planning's already happening, some frank conversations start Monday and it'll be a busy Summer for him and Fergal. I wish them both well and hope for something to give us encouragement when we roll up again in late July for the pre-season stuff

[Dr. Feelgood]

2 hours ago, burnden said:

Baxter looked proper sad chucking his shirt and gloves into the ESL after the game.

Well, it's him who's not signed a fresh contract & made that plain 6 months ago.

He's welcome to stay for me, but he starts at second choice if he does.

[Dr. Feelgood]

36 minutes ago, thebells said:

Even Santos, who I’ve backed and have spent time with, threw the towel in a couple of weeks ago.

You keep saying this but he chucked the towel in months ago.

Maybe he's only just admitted it to himself but he's not given a shite for a long time ... & it showed.