Didledee Posted May 21, 2011 Posted May 21, 2011 (edited) Elmander has had a helpful season, however with this news coming out, some people will look back on the past and forget about what he?s done this season, see a negative, say a negative. He hasn?t scored many since the New Year, but he?s still chipped in with a few goals and assists, also with the arrival of Sturridge, he was put in at Right wing whilst Lee was with South Korea and being rested, he then filled in at midfield because M.Davies and Holden ?s injuries. If you flip Elmander?s season around, with him having great scoring form in the last 4 months or so, would this news of him leaving cause a different majority reaction? So we?re losing ?8 million, let?s say [as an example] we get ?20 million for Cahill. (I?m not going to show my mathematical ability) ?20M + Cahill and Elmander?s wages not on the books - ?8M = ?12M & ??? We won?t have all the funds available from Cahill?s transfer fee and it could easily be less than ?20M, so what do we have then? Needing a replacement for both with how much available? I see this has a double negative; losing 2 players who have almost been first choice every game when they?ve been available. What-ever people?s opinions are of Elmander, do you think we?ll replace him? Take into consideration our debts, take into consideration we have no Europe and not the best incentives to match teams in the Prem. Johan was rightly known as a flop before this season, but under Coyle this season he?s improved and showed moments of brilliance, he?s not shit, he?s not stealing a living, maybe this could have been said before this season, but we are losing the Elmander of this season,. Does a reserve get a chance, does Coyle fill Elmander?s place with Klasnic? Do we look at the lower leagues? We are losing good players here and even though we still have good players in the side, I?m not that confident in our ability[because of a number of reasons] that any income large or small can replace them with better. Like it or not, we are losing a player who has scored double figures and assisted his fair share, we are not losing the Elmander under Megson, we are losing the improved [not every game] Elmander. I?d rather we offered him more than him go on a free and us sign some average player from the Lower leagues, however I can understand why he wouldn?t want to stay, he?s been under huge criticism and when he?s played well it isn?t good enough and he doesn?t get any credit, Coyle gave him the chance and he choose to move on, if Coyle didn?t give Elmander a chance, would the player who played instead of Elmander have had a better season? I [with knowing I can't predict the future]don't think so, Coyle got a decent season out of Elmander, should this mean he HAS to sign? What happens if he did sign anew contract and went back to the form under Megson, it?d be like ?FFS we should have got rid of him last summer and used his wages elsewhere? I ain't done the calculations but has Elmander left us with a leaving present of another season in the Prem? I'd say he's in a way made up for the poor past, I'd say we're losing a player who we can't afford to lose Edited May 21, 2011 by Didledee
superkev Posted May 21, 2011 Posted May 21, 2011 I love how people give the reason of backing out of challenges for a trait of being shit. Pretty sure most foreigners don't go in blood and thunder but it doesn't make them shit. I would rather have a player with a bit of ability and backs out of hospital challenges than a player who will tackle all day but can't do anything else. Muamba springs to mind. Now he has been wank this season.
Traf Posted May 21, 2011 Posted May 21, 2011 If we think he's leaving, then he shouldn't play tomorrow. Here's my reason why: if he sustains a major injury tomorrow, we have to keep paying him until he's fit on a type of temporary contract extension.
Eddie Posted May 21, 2011 Posted May 21, 2011 Over the time with us he has been extremely poor and just one purple patch doesn't mean value - Sturridge has scored almost as many since Xmas Elmander runs around the pitch a lot with no effect and cant remember a player who backs out of so many 50 50 challenges He's a striker FFS, and a foreign one at that! Do you really expect him to be diving in to tackles like a centre back? I'm not his biggest fan, and I'm not devastated that he's leaving, but some of the stuff on here about him shirking out of tackles and not trying is complete shite. The worst thing for me is not that we are losing him, it's that we are now going to have to use some of our limited budget on replacing our top scorer as well as getting other strikers on top of that.
zurichwhite Posted May 22, 2011 Posted May 22, 2011 Elmander's always suffered from the hefty price tag which is nothing to do with him. If we'd have got him for free, perhaps many views would have been different. The maths suggest we acquired his services for 8m + (2m annual wages x3) = 14m or about 90k a week. It was a bad deal to buy him at that price for a 3 yr contract. You'd rather pay someone with better quality for 80-90k a week on a free or nominal fee and pay them on a 2 yr contract. A 5 yr deal for the Elmander on the same wages as he's on now works out at 65k a week. Roughly. And if we wanted shut after 3 yrs, we might have got 4-5m as a transfer fee. Point is once we screwed up the original deal, once he was in his last 6 months, he was always going to look for more money and whether or not you think he played well, you can't blame him. The lack of a fee for the Turks and the lower tax means he could easily double his take home pay
Ani Posted May 22, 2011 Posted May 22, 2011 If we think he's leaving, then he shouldn't play tomorrow. Here's my reason why: if he sustains a major injury tomorrow, we have to keep paying him until he's fit on a type of temporary contract extension. Would we ? If he is injured and his contract is up, would we not just fuck him off? Why would we extend? I do not know, just asking seems strange that we would pay him till he was better and then let him fuck off.
Rembrandt Posted May 22, 2011 Posted May 22, 2011 Would we ? If he is injured and his contract is up, would we not just fuck him off? Why would we extend? I do not know, just asking seems strange that we would pay him till he was better and then let him fuck off. But if he plays today, he's still under contract. He's still BW's responsibility. Not sure we'd have to renew his contract till he's better though. I assume there's insurance somewhere ....
Traf Posted May 22, 2011 Posted May 22, 2011 Would we ? If he is injured and his contract is up, would we not just fuck him off? Why would we extend? I do not know, just asking seems strange that we would pay him till he was better and then let him fuck off. I'm not entirely sure it's compulsory, but it seems to be the done thing.
HR Posted May 22, 2011 Posted May 22, 2011 I hope he doesn't play today. It's an opportunity for Coyle to be strong and send the message out that the team unit is more important. I haven't had many reasons to criticise Coyle but the pandering to Elmander playing him in midfielders has been a fookin disastrous mistake.
superkev Posted May 22, 2011 Posted May 22, 2011 I hope he doesn't play today. It's an opportunity for Coyle to be strong and send the message out that the team unit is more important. I haven't had many reasons to criticise Coyle but the pandering to Elmander playing him in midfielders has been a fookin disastrous mistake. Who should we have played there
Casino Posted May 22, 2011 Posted May 22, 2011 and if you wanna talk about pandering he'd have got a deserved place up front with sturridge
Casino Posted May 22, 2011 Posted May 22, 2011 (edited) don't think there was any real intent but he caught their fella half way up his shin wilshere would've got a yellow booing from the dicks some polite applause, too Edited May 22, 2011 by Casino
onlyoneawalker Posted May 22, 2011 Posted May 22, 2011 Did Elmander do the clappy lappy after the game i don't remember seeing him - says it all if he didn't
Casino Posted May 22, 2011 Posted May 22, 2011 Did Elmander do the clappy lappy after the game i don't remember seeing him - says it all if he didn't he did
onlyoneawalker Posted May 22, 2011 Posted May 22, 2011 he did ok fair play to him the few boo's he got when subbed were out of order glad he was man enough to come out and clap the fans who gave him a decent reception.....cheerio Elmo gone and probably forgotten fairly soon
Casino Posted May 22, 2011 Posted May 22, 2011 he'll not be forgotten when we're relying on davies to score our goals
Didledee Posted May 22, 2011 Posted May 22, 2011 Thanks for the contribution this season Elmander, without you I'd hate to think what would have happened, good luck in Turkey, thanks for the present you've given us, another year in the prem, it could have been more, but the team just finished pathetically.
superjohnmcginlay Posted May 22, 2011 Posted May 22, 2011 he got booed alot, shows how far we have come when we can boo a record signing, for all the shortcomings he had, no player in a white shirt deserves booing in a game
TrickyTrotter Posted May 22, 2011 Posted May 22, 2011 ok fair play to him the few boo's he got when subbed were out of order glad he was man enough to come out and clap the fans who gave him a decent reception.....cheerio Elmo gone and probably forgotten fairly soon The quality Elmander brings was brought into sharp focus when we replaced him with Cohen today. Still think it disrespectful for Galatasary to announce a new signing whilst the season is still going, but we won't cheaply or easily replace him.
HomerJay Posted May 22, 2011 Posted May 22, 2011 he did Did he? I didn't notice him. That's the only thing that pissed me off (along with 14tg position) But if he was there then fair enough
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