Who Should You Vote For?

[Smiffs]

Of course most claimants aren't but there needs to be some mechanism to sort the small percentage of idle bastards out

That small percentage = a million I reckon.

[exiledwhite2]

Don't see anyone saying anything different mate...its the long term career bums people seem to mean.

Yeah and I agree. Got some in my family, mixture of bone idle / woe is me, and some genuinely borderline incapable due to their circumstances.

 

But you say nobody is saying any different - there's folk advocating total abolition of dole, or for the jobless to be given no currency except a food parcel, in this thread. I was aiming it at them. They are advocating screwing a lot of people who are victims of circumstance who want to work, as the numbers I mentioned prove I think.

[Casino]

i fcuking hate my job

 

its so bad its fcuking my sundays over, even tonight its filling my head

 

i know i only need to spruce my cv, but come monday i can either get up and drag meslef in. or i can go to the docs and he'll take my blood pressure and siogn me off with depression

 

i know whats easiest and i know what i'd rather do

 

but, something in me gets me out of bed and back in for another week of shit

 

and, i was made redundant after 20 odd years at one place and took a job on half the money with 2 hours travelling each day

 

NEEDING a job is shit when you aint got one, so ill not knock anybody trying to find one

[birch-chorley]

Yeah and I agree. Got some in my family, mixture of bone idle / woe is me, and some genuinely borderline incapable due to their circumstances.

 

But you say nobody is saying any different - there's folk advocating total abolition of dole, or for the jobless to be given no currency except a food parcel, in this thread. I was aiming it at them. They are advocating screwing a lot of people who are victims of circumstance who want to work, as the numbers I mentioned prove I think.

Not at all, if you've paid in then you get paid out

 

If your incapable of work then you get paid out

 

If you choose not to work then after time welfare should mean you get housed & fed and no more

 

Paying benefits direct so they can spend their rent at fags and scratch cards flitting from rental to rental shouldn't be allowed. Rent, gas, electric should all be paid direct to the supplier

[Maggie Tate]

If you choose not to work then after time welfare should mean you get housed & fed and no more

 

 

I struggle to see why, in the worst cases, there should even be that much help. No-one in their right mind would allow a family member capable of work to live off them indefinitely whilst they make no tracks of their own and I don't see why society at large should be expected to either. What they should be is strongly encouraged, even forced, into work. Only then will they recover. Don't forget of course that millions of jobs were created under Blair, all of them filled by eastern Europeans. Good luck to them but it says quite a lot for our own underclass that UK unemployment could be pretty much zero if they'd been prepared to work for the same wages.

[Winchester White]

Well, I have sent my postal vote off. I would be happy with another ConLib coalition but I don't think it will happen unfortunately.

[Smiffs]

Confirmed.

 

He is a fucking communist.

 

http://m.bbc.co.uk/news/election-2015-32468997

 

Buying cheap votes and expecting others to pay for it.

 

No problem...next time they want the place repainting it'll get booked in for some time in 2044.

[no balls]

Confirmed.

He is a fucking communist.

http://m.bbc.co.uk/news/election-2015-32468997

Buying cheap votes and expecting others to pay for it.

No problem...next time they want the place repainting it'll get booked in for some time in 2044.

Tenancy agreements to 3 years. He will be getting the next legal bill from us when we have evict some cunt for thinking it's free to live in someone's house. He's a very silly man.

[Salford Trotter]

Tenancy agreements to 3 years. He will be getting the next legal bill from us when we have evict some cunt for thinking it's free to live in someone's house. He's a very silly man.

surely that only applies to housing benefit tenants..just read the whole article and it applies to all tenants...unworkable and it create chaos in the market....the flexibility in having 6 month tenancies works for both parties and as NB says gives the landlord the option to get rid of bad tenants Edited April 26, 2015 by Salford Trotter

[no balls]

surely that only applies to housing benefit tenants...maybe not

It should be as a private landlord and a private renter should have the right to negotiate their own agreement. As Smiffs says though, Red Ed being a communist will be doing plenty to get the state to intervene in people's lives. I fear for this country if he gets in, especially with Jimmy Krankie too. Edited April 26, 2015 by no balls

[gonzo]

i fcuking hate my job

 

its so bad its fcuking my sundays over, even tonight its filling my head

 

i know i only need to spruce my cv, but come monday i can either get up and drag meslef in. or i can go to the docs and he'll take my blood pressure and siogn me off with depression

 

i know whats easiest and i know what i'd rather do

 

but, something in me gets me out of bed and back in for another week of shit

 

and, i was made redundant after 20 odd years at one place and took a job on half the money with 2 hours travelling each day

 

NEEDING a job is shit when you aint got one, so ill not knock anybody trying to find one

Jesus mate. Sounds crap.

 

All about the money and looking after your family I suppose.

[tomski]

I struggle to see why, in the worst cases, there should even be that much help. No-one in their right mind would allow a family member capable of work to live off them indefinitely whilst they make no tracks of their own and I don't see why society at large should be expected to either. What they should be is strongly encouraged, even forced, into work. Only then will they recover. Don't forget of course that millions of jobs were created under Blair, all of them filled by eastern Europeans. Good luck to them but it says quite a lot for our own underclass that UK unemployment could be pretty much zero if they'd been prepared to work for the same wages.

Only the most perverse would be happy to see people homeless and starving, surely?

[Traf]

Only the most perverse would be happy to see people homeless and starving, surely?

 

Or those seeking a reaction on Wanderersways, the most middle-class of all football forums.

[Smiffs]

Equally, why should Mr Public working his cock off on a minimum wage pay towards some able bodied but inherently lazy cunt to sit at home watching TV?

 

Fuck em.

 

If they can't be arsed why should anyone else?

Edited April 26, 2015 by Smiffs

[Whites man]

Or those seeking a reaction on Wanderersways, the most middle-class of all football forums.

Middle aged not middle class.

[Carlos]

Middle aged not middle class.

Both.

[Maggie Tate]

Only the most perverse would be happy to see people homeless and starving, surely?

 

I don't know. Ask someone who is most perverse. Not that it's relevant because without the option of 100% subsidised living they would have to get jobs. That's all they're being asked to do. They have already lost all self respect and dignity. That is what comes from choosing to live off the compulsory contributions of others. They would be no less dignified if they were homeless and starving. All that is being asked is that people who can work, work. Nobody objects to a hand up. Everyone should object to a hand out for life which worsens the problem in the first place.

[Guest]

It isn't as clear cut as is being made out. It is highly unlikely we will ever have 100% employment. There will by definition be a number of people out of work at all times.

 

Market and natural selection means that those more inclined and more able will likely find jobs. Those with lesser abilities or inclination will struggle more especially when the economic climate is against them. The trite statements that there is a job for everyone who wants one are somewhat misplaced, there may well be a job for everyone, but whether the right job and in the right place is a different matter. There are far fewer unskilled jobs and this tends to be where the balance of market and natural selection lies.

 

We have generations with low aspirations and consequently low levels of education and very low demand in the job market. Wrapped up in that is a reliance on benefits and ultimately a lack of motivation and effort. You can't and won't solve the problem by just saying tough shit, you will just condemn future generations to the same malaise. However, I agree we cannot simply go on ignoring this problem and hoping it goes away. Nor can we continually bail out people who simply will continue to take without giving back.

 

It is a huge cultural and societal problem that is probably several decades away from being close to solvable. We aren't far away from creating a permanent and ever expanding American style underclass and that needs to be stopped by altering the general direction of travel immediately.

[tomski]

Equally, why should Mr Public working his cock off on a minimum wage pay towards some able bodied but inherently lazy cunt to sit at home watching TV?

 

Fuck em.

 

If they can't be arsed why should anyone else?

Sadly a lot of these turds have kids and everyone deserves a shot at some standard of life surely.

 

I know many believe poverty is a made up thing in England but to me it isn't and leads to some sad situations that can carry on for generations if not tackled.

 

Fwiw I do agree people should take control of their lives and the majority do but that element of entitlement will never go away in the minority without work on changing mindsets and opportunities.

Edited April 26, 2015 by tomski

[Traf]

Sadly a lot of these turds have kids and everyone deserves a shot at some standard of life surely.

 

That, is exactly the issue, unfortunately.

 

Kids unfortunate enough to be born into scroteness stand no chance unless there's something in place to help them out.

[tomski]

That, is exactly the issue, unfortunately.

 

Kids unfortunate enough to be born into scroteness stand no chance unless there's something in place to help them out.

Aye, the likelihood is the scrotes had a shot upbringing too, see how it goes on without intervention and stopping benefits and handouts would increase this ten fold imo.

[only1swanny]

Can never have full employment, some people don't want to work

 

Hence 1m on unemployment (excluding those unable to work), 6 Million migrant workers..

[Maggie Tate]

Aye, the likelihood is the scrotes had a shot upbringing too, see how it goes on without intervention and stopping benefits and handouts would increase this ten fold imo.

Except handouts have made things worse and worse and worse. Go to any estate in the land where welfare receipts are highest and tell me that withdrawing benefits in order to push the grown ups into work wouldn't be an improvement.

[tomski]

Except handouts have made things worse and worse and worse. Go to any estate in the land where welfare receipts are highest and tell me that withdrawing benefits in order to push the grown ups into work wouldn't be an improvement.

I'd suggest a rise in crime and violence would be the most obvious outcome?

 

These people that won't work aren't going to just stop eating etc.

Edited April 26, 2015 by tomski

[only1swanny]

Except handouts have made things worse and worse and worse. Go to any estate in the land where welfare receipts are highest and tell me that withdrawing benefits in order to push the grown ups into work wouldn't be an improvement.

 

But.. will it work?

 

or will they revert to the standard tactics of appealing their case to liberals, pleading discrimination, or simply abusing food banks and charities..

 

On a note.. Friend of mine has a 30k bursary for training as a Physics teacher, they have taken the money, and now decided that they don't want to do it.. (Gov wonders why half leave in five years with those incentives)