Politics

[Cheese]

13 minutes ago, Escobarp said:

How the fuck do you fathom that? In what way have I implied that? I try and give everyone the benefit of the doubt but sometimes things are said that I just look at in great puzzlement and this is one of them. 

You implied that "very shit for a long time" isn't as bad as "the sky falling in" - but that's your own incorrect interpretation of what people are saying when they point out the negative consequences of Brexit. 

Edited October 14, 2019 by Cheese

[Escobarp]

4 minutes ago, Cheese said:

You implied that "very shit for a long time" isn't as bad as "the sky falling in" - but that's your own incorrect interpretation of what people are saying when they point out the negative consequences of Brexit. 

Nope just read my statements again and in no way have I implied what you are stating 

but carry on 👍🏼

[Cheese]

3 minutes ago, Escobarp said:

Nope just read my statements again and in no way have I implied what you are stating 

but carry on 👍🏼

Never mind. 

[Guest]

9 hours ago, Escobarp said:

Come On lets be realistic.

The sky is going to fall in shortly post brexit with mass famine and the plague kicking in due to lack of medical supplies and no clean drinking water or sanitation and that’s only if the global warming doesn’t get us first no danger are we seeing 2029

 

we’re doomed 

 Reductio ad absurdum.

We've been told Brexit will be the land of milk and honey with no economic downside, no need for any cuts, we'll be splashing the cash, people won't suffer any single difference, no medical shortages, no food changes, everything continues as before, but better. The economy won't be affected at all. The land of milk and honey. I cannot wait. I'll be fair and give it a few weeks before measuring Brexit against those claims. 

Edited October 15, 2019 by bwfcfan5

[Escobarp]

22 minutes ago, bwfcfan5 said:

 Reductio ad absurdum.

We've been told Brexit will be the land of milk and honey with no economic downside, no need for any cuts, we'll be splashing the cash, people won't suffer any single difference, no medical shortages, no food changes, everything continues as before, but better. The economy won't be affected at all. The land of milk and honey. I cannot wait. I'll be fair and give it a few weeks before measuring Brexit against those claims. 

You will be fair and give it a few weeks? You utter fucking fanny of a human being. I don’t know what the Latin for that is but neither will you 😂

you really are a grade A weapon 

[Guest]

2 minutes ago, Escobarp said:

You will be fair and give it a few weeks? You utter fucking fanny of a human being. I don’t know what the Latin for that is but neither will you 😂

you really are a grade A weapon 

And whoooooossshhhhhh. 

That's gone right over your head. 

[Escobarp]

8 minutes ago, bwfcfan5 said:

And whoooooossshhhhhh. 

That's gone right over your head. 

No I assure you nothing you say Goes over my head. And yes you remain a cock 

Edited October 15, 2019 by Escobarp

[birch-chorley]

12 minutes ago, Escobarp said:

You will be fair and give it a few weeks? You utter fucking fanny of a human being. I don’t know what the Latin for that is but neither will you 😂

you really are a grade A weapon 

When do you believe we will see the upside then? 50 years like JRM stated or sooner? 

How much of a hit do you think our economy will take in the short / medium term until we see that upside? 

[Mounts Kipper]

5 minutes ago, birch-chorley said:

When do you believe we will see the upside then? 50 years like JRM stated or sooner? 

How much of a hit do you think our economy will take in the short / medium term until we see that upside? 

It’s a silly question as is what are the upsides in the short/medium term If we remain the EU, nobody really knows that answer in either scenario,  the world economy slowing is the biggest problem we face. Let’s just get the deal agreed, remain friends and allies of the EU and get on with leaving and get on with our life’s. 

Edited October 15, 2019 by Mounts Kipper

[Farrelli]

8 minutes ago, Escobarp said:

No I assure you nothing you say Goes over my head. And yes you remain a cock 

You've really missed the point.

[Escobarp]

3 minutes ago, birch-chorley said:

When do you believe we will see the upside then? 50 years like JRM stated or sooner? 

How much of a hit do you think our economy will take in the short / medium term until we see that upside? 

I have no definitive answer. But is to give it a few weeks to form a judgement a really sensible indicator or success? When we joined the EU did people give it a fortnight and then say aye or no this is good or bad? I suspect not. It’s just a ridiculous thing to say but coming from fanny its Unsurprising. 

The economy has already taken a hit in answer to your question. despite what some folk protest to the contrary. I work for a German company and we are feeling the pinch currently and it’s because of the uncertainty around brexit and that comes direct from my customers who are hanging back from investment due to the uncertainty. I’ve never said otherwise On here or anywhere and never will  but nor will I sit and say brexit is the start of the end for the world as we know it like some also protest  

I also believe that once we do leave and we do agree a deal with the EU which is absolutely critical I must stress this that we will start to flourish. But at this time we have no foresight of how long it will take as we still don’t know what deal if any we are going to agree. 

If we leave with no deal it will be catastrophic to a number of industries one of which will directly impact on me. But I do believe a deal will be agreed and implemented and is essential that remains our focus rather than this continual and attempted derailment of the process. 

[birch-chorley]

8 minutes ago, Mounts Kipper said:

It’s a silly question as is what are the upsides in the short/medium term If we remain the EU, nobody really knows that answer in either scenario,  the world economy slowing is the biggest problem we face. Let’s just get the deal agreed, remain friends and allies of the EU and get on with leaving and get on with our life’s. 

It’s not a silly question, I’m asking for his opinion 

If people are voting to abandon the status quo because they believe our economy will be better in the long term then it’s a fair question for me 

For me, we will certainly be worse off in the short / medium term, I think 99% of people from both sides acknowledge that (I’m not suggesting the sky will fall in by the way)

Long term is a lot harder to predict. For me I believe we will be worse off. The fundamental fact for me is Geography, we will always have more trade with countries closer than ones further away and that’s where our closest trade relationships will bare most fruit. Not the likes of USA, Canada, Australia and New Zealand 

Edited October 15, 2019 by birch-chorley

[Guest]

11 minutes ago, Farrelli said:

You've really missed the point.

He really has!

[Escobarp]

6 minutes ago, Farrelli said:

You've really missed the point.

Great. Appreciate your insight as always 

[Escobarp]

13 minutes ago, bwfcfan5 said:

He really has!

He’s really not bothered. Believe me. 

[bolty58]

11 hours ago, Casino said:

Not agreeing with you does not make somebody contrary

Its mounts who equated NI voting to remain as a vote to leave the union

And democracy...london doesnt want to leave, so why shouldnt they fcuk off

If its good enough for NI, n all that

 

Just being stupid. You seem to want to break it down into an English issue. Last time I looked, London was in England. England votes out, London comes out. Doesn't take that much more grey matter than you normally display.

[bolty58]

52 minutes ago, Escobarp said:

You will be fair and give it a few weeks? You utter fucking fanny of a human being. I don’t know what the Latin for that is but neither will you 😂

you really are a grade A weapon 

He conveniently fails to mention all of the disasters we were going to see immediately after a 'Leave' vote - none of which transpired.

Then they say Project Fear does not exist. From what I have seen, every rational contributor has said 'short term pain for long term gain'. I have no doubt this will be the case. What the 'short' and 'long' are in terms of duration are anybody's guess but, as a gambling man, I would wager on the short being shorter than the hysterical doom mongers suggest.

[Mounts Kipper]

Great to see parliament empty when Blackford gets up to speak, I listened to his speech he’s getting desperate as all about how the EU has helped keep peace since world war 2. 

 

 

 

Edited October 15, 2019 by Mounts Kipper

[Winchester White]

The problem is, everyone on the leave side said pre referendum there would be no pain; short term, medium term or long term. Non at all. Now they are backtracking.

[Tonge moor green jacket]

6 minutes ago, Winchester White said:

The problem is, everyone on the leave side said pre referendum there would be no pain; short term, medium term or long term. Non at all. Now they are backtracking.

Absolutely, totally incorrect.

Go back and start reading the thread again.

[Escobarp]

Listening to amber Rudd on the radio. The reason we haven’t got a deal yet? 

Because the ERG are sexist and didn’t want a woman In charge of the process 

😴

[Winchester White]

2 minutes ago, Tonge moor green jacket said:

Absolutely, totally incorrect.

Go back and start reading the thread again.

Sorry, I meant the official leave guys, not on here.

[Guest]

3 minutes ago, Tonge moor green jacket said:

Absolutely, totally incorrect.

Go back and start reading the thread again.

Its just like claiming remainers all said the "sky would fall in". The fact is that if you take a balanced view - the leave side did promise all sorts pre referendum - that were simply lies.

The government of the day's warning about the economic impact have in part been seen. We have seen lowered GDP, reduction in the value of the pound and a stagnant economy. It would have been worse but for BoE's quantitative easing. 

So one side told us things that were plainly not true. The other at best exaggerated. But lets be clear about this - the leave side pretended we could easily within months strike a deal with the EU that would be at the very least as advantageous as the current one we've got and would be better very quickly. When anyone on the remain side said that wasn't the case they were told "project fear". This is documented very clearly - it is simply true that Brexiteers promises pre referendum have one by one been backtracked upon. 

[Farrelli]

1 hour ago, bwfcfan5 said:

He really has!

He remains blissfully unaware but he's fine with that😀

[Sweep]

2 hours ago, bwfcfan5 said:

It would have been worse but for BoE's quantitative easing. 

 

That's a very valid point, the BoE started pumping billions into the economy straight after the vote out - was it £75B?  I'm sure somebody will have the figures. I'm not sure what, if anything, would have happened if they hadn't.

 

Anyway, all water under the bridge now, both sides lied, but we're here now, and we have to make the most of it and crack on one way or the other. Listening to the radio today, some think we'll be able to get a deal by the end of the month, and some think not............so fuck knows what's going on