Cheese Posted October 16, 2019 Posted October 16, 2019 4 minutes ago, Winchester White said: Are you reading information from somewhere the rest of us aren't? brexitcentral I imagine.... Quote
tyldesley_white Posted October 16, 2019 Posted October 16, 2019 11 minutes ago, Winchester White said: Are you reading information from somewhere the rest of us aren't? Viagra.com Quote
miamiwhite Posted October 16, 2019 Author Posted October 16, 2019 31 minutes ago, Cheese said: If the ID required is free, that's perfectly fine. As long as it also includes transporting housebound people to get their photos taken, and assistance to fill in the forms etc. No, I didn't moan about having to bring a match ticket to watch the match, and obviously an Election is more important than a Momentum meeting. You could be a professional point-misser. Have you started drinking early again? Don’t try to patronise fella, you haven’t the intellect or wit, I’m up at five so only drinking Vimto. So then, the free ID is ok for every occasion ? A straight yes or no please. Quote
Moon boy Posted October 16, 2019 Posted October 16, 2019 52 minutes ago, Winchester White said: Are you reading information from somewhere the rest of us aren't? Depends what your reading Quote
royal white Posted October 16, 2019 Posted October 16, 2019 1 hour ago, Cheese said: They asked members to bring their membership cards to a members only meeting. Like you have to bring your match ticket when you go to a football match. It's hardly the same as denying someone a vote in an election if they can't afford to pay for a photo ID. Is it? See now you’ve opened a can of worms. People may buy a child’s ticket for the match when in fact they’re not a child. The I.D. Could also be used in instances like this so that out beautiful club isn’t cheated out of much needed money. Quote
Cheese Posted October 16, 2019 Posted October 16, 2019 46 minutes ago, miamiwhite said: Don’t try to patronise fella, you haven’t the intellect or wit, I’m up at five so only drinking Vimto. So then, the free ID is ok for every occasion ? A straight yes or no please. Could you explain the question a bit more, because I have no idea what you mean? Quote
Cheese Posted October 16, 2019 Posted October 16, 2019 (edited) 13 minutes ago, royal white said: See now you’ve opened a can of worms. People may buy a child’s ticket for the match when in fact they’re not a child. The I.D. Could also be used in instances like this so that out beautiful club isn’t cheated out of much needed money. Indeed it could. But we're talking about Parliamentary Elections, and I was using an analogy based on miami's idea that Voter ID is the same as attending a members only/ticketed event. Put the worms back in the can, or maybe you could start a thread on Terrace Talk about match ticket fraud if you're worried about it? Edited October 16, 2019 by Cheese Quote
royal white Posted October 16, 2019 Posted October 16, 2019 1 minute ago, Cheese said: Indeed it could. But we're talking about Parliamentary Elections. Put the worms back in the can, or maybe you could start a thread on Terrace Talk about match ticket fraud? Sorry I thought it was you who brought up match tickets? Quote
Cheese Posted October 16, 2019 Posted October 16, 2019 (edited) 1 minute ago, royal white said: Sorry I thought it was you who brought up match tickets? In response to miami bringing up a members-only Momentum meeting and equating it to a General Election ... Edited October 16, 2019 by Cheese Quote
Cheese Posted October 16, 2019 Posted October 16, 2019 (edited) It's not difficult. If it's a members-only or ticketed event, only members or ticket holders are allowed to attend. In a Local or General Election, every single eligible voter should be allowed to vote, completely free of charge or hindrance. Edited October 16, 2019 by Cheese Quote
miamiwhite Posted October 16, 2019 Author Posted October 16, 2019 4 minutes ago, Cheese said: It's not difficult. If it's a members-only or ticketed event, only members or ticket holders are allowed to attend. In a Local or General Election, every single eligible voter should be allowed to vote, completely free of charge or hindrance. Eligible is the key word here. Those not eligible or eligible to vote multiple times can’t do if ID is brought in to play. Simple fact. Thanks for the key word Cheese, sleep well. Quote
Guest Posted October 16, 2019 Posted October 16, 2019 6 minutes ago, Cheese said: It's not difficult. If it's a members-only or ticketed event, only members or ticket holders are allowed to attend. In a Local or General Election, every single eligible voter should be allowed to vote once, completely free of charge or hindrance. EFA Quote
Cheese Posted October 16, 2019 Posted October 16, 2019 (edited) 2 minutes ago, miamiwhite said: Eligible is the key word here. Those not eligible or eligible to vote multiple times can’t do if ID is brought in to play. Simple fact. Thanks for the key word Cheese, sleep well. I agree. So as long as the ID required by this new policy is free, and the necessary support is provided to obtain it, I have no problem with it. Edited October 16, 2019 by Cheese Quote
Cheese Posted October 16, 2019 Posted October 16, 2019 2 minutes ago, boltondiver said: EFA You haven't added any accuracy whatsoever. Quote
Winchester White Posted October 16, 2019 Posted October 16, 2019 How many people turn up to vote with someone elses card or their details? Bet it is fuck all. Postal voting is another matter but I am not sure how to get around that? Quote
mickbrown Posted October 16, 2019 Posted October 16, 2019 Make it so you can only get ID by applying online. This will counter balance the skint labour voters not getting one with the coffin dodging blue rinse Tory voters who don’t know a computer from their arse. Quote
Duck Egg Posted October 16, 2019 Posted October 16, 2019 For weeks now we've been hearing that Boris doesn't really want a deal. Now, if gets a deal, we'll be hearing how crap it is. There's bound to be lots of folk at both ends of the argument moaning about it. The majority of us in the middle will be glad to just move on at feckin last Quote
royal white Posted October 16, 2019 Posted October 16, 2019 10 minutes ago, mickbrown said: Make it so you can only get ID by applying online. This will counter balance the skint labour voters not getting one with the coffin dodging blue rinse Tory voters who don’t know a computer from their arse. They’ll just get their butlers to apply for them 😉 Quote
mickbrown Posted October 16, 2019 Posted October 16, 2019 9 minutes ago, royal white said: They’ll just get their butlers to apply for them 😉 😀 Quote
Guest Posted October 16, 2019 Posted October 16, 2019 According to guardian these are three concessions Boris has made to get a deal with EU. Concession No1. (most surprising) The Level Playing Field is back. Boris Johnson has agreed that the UK must be in line with EU norms on climate, environment and workers’ rights for a Free Trade Agreement. Concession No 2 (on the cards) Back to Northern Ireland only backstop. It’s not called the NI-only backstop, but the proposal of February 2018 (i.e. when EU suggested it). UK has accepted NI will be subject to EU customs rules and oversight of EU authorities, including ECJ. Concession No 3 Consent. Boris Johnson has abandoned DUP veto. New system envisages allowing Stormont Assembly to vote whether rebranded backstop applies by simple majority of those present in chamber. First vote scheduled 4 years after entry into force. Number one is great and I’d be far closer to backing a deal where the long term post transition aim was regulatory alignment. Number 2 has been well publicised. Number 3 - I suspect is problematic for unionists in NI. Given my understanding is they cannot command a simple majority were the assembly to sit they have as things stand no clear and effective veto. Which means they may feel they are at risk of being locked in again. Quote
Ani Posted October 16, 2019 Posted October 16, 2019 20 minutes ago, royal white said: They’ll just get their butlers to apply for them 😉 Or their Over-paid security guards 😎😁 Quote
Casino Posted October 16, 2019 Posted October 16, 2019 (edited) 14 minutes ago, bwfcfan5 said: According to guardian these are three concessions Boris has made to get a deal with EU. Concession No1. (most surprising) The Level Playing Field is back. Boris Johnson has agreed that the UK must be in line with EU norms on climate, environment and workers’ rights for a Free Trade Agreement. Concession No 2 (on the cards) Back to Northern Ireland only backstop. It’s not called the NI-only backstop, but the proposal of February 2018 (i.e. when EU suggested it). UK has accepted NI will be subject to EU customs rules and oversight of EU authorities, including ECJ. Concession No 3 Consent. Boris Johnson has abandoned DUP veto. New system envisages allowing Stormont Assembly to vote whether rebranded backstop applies by simple majority of those present in chamber. First vote scheduled 4 years after entry into force. Number one is great and I’d be far closer to backing a deal where the long term post transition aim was regulatory alignment. Number 2 has been well publicised. Number 3 - I suspect is problematic for unionists in NI. Given my understanding is they cannot command a simple majority were the assembly to sit they have as things stand no clear and effective veto. Which means they may feel they are at risk of being locked in again. 2 for four years NI is the ROI in all but name Then, in theory, after 4 years, Stormont could decide they don't like it, but to do that they would need to get a majority against the arrangement Lets say they did, and the technology solution which exists now but is such a secret we still don't want to tell anybody what it is, is still our little secret, then what, ffs? A loyalist commentator on 5 earlier couldn't see how the DUP would buy this and if they didn't, how the ERG would accept it I suppose we will see, soon enough, but that NI arrangement sounds far from a solution Edited October 16, 2019 by Casino Quote
royal white Posted October 16, 2019 Posted October 16, 2019 13 minutes ago, Ani said: Or their Over-paid security guards 😎😁 Under* Quote
Casino Posted October 16, 2019 Posted October 16, 2019 Point one sounds not so bad Should've let Corbyn run the show, on reflection Quote
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