Politics

[Jol_BWFC]

10 minutes ago, Escobarp said:

You’re much much better than that. 
 

there will be folk on both sides Here doing it and that will be evident on here 

 

Precisely. That was the reason for mirroring angry man’s post and emphasising the point Cheese was making. RW’s comment was a little silly, suggesting one side (rather than the other) will be employing that tactic.

Only a couple of weekends ago, Miami was posting Brexiteer tweets about the headlines (incorrectly) suggesting that the City was now booming.

[Spider]

I note with some mirth that PaulHangry still needs an empty.

[Lt. Aldo Raine]

7 hours ago, paulhanley said:

I've read several such articles. There are 3 examples below including one from the Guardian The EU is a protectionist racket with rules and regulations that choke the life out of aspiration and innovation. That leads to inefficiency in industry. That's a contributory reason as to why the parts of Europe inside the EU are the slowest growing part of the world. So is the dead-hand of the mentalist single currency.

The stuff in the article posted by Winchester White? Well .... we've heard it all before. You've just got to remember that EU lovers have been wrong about just about everything since the 90s while you're reading stuff like that. It's Project Fear mark 7,349. Why the hell should we believe it any more? The world outside the EU does just fine.

I'm totally sure not everyone will be a beneficiary and I'm sure there'll be some initial hassles. There's never a panacea whatever route you go down. It's a big old change after 40 odd years. But the overall picture will be positive through the 2020s  We will be nimble in resolving problems because the decision making will be all our own and not dependent on the views of scores of officials from 27 other countries whose interests in reality diverge from each other but who sign up to a political project regardless. A political project within which politics trumps economics when it comes to key decisions - to the detriment of the people who live within its confines.

On top of all that we get the full return of democracy as enshrined in the Magna Carta. The people will be fully sovereign. If we don't like those in whom we have invested power we will get rid. You can't do that with EU technocrats and Commissioners.

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2018/nov/22/respect-eu-britain-outside-left-economy

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/business/2020/01/20/industries-could-winners-britains-divergence-brussels/

https://www.spectator.co.uk/2019/08/why-britain-like-iceland-will-thrive-outside-the-eu/

 

Interesting enough, but the articles you posted don't offer any proper detail on the trade negotiations we're about to enter into. Neither do they offer any explanation as to how the potential obstacles discussed in the article I referred to can be overcome (to be fair, I've not read the one in The Telegraph because it's behind a paywall).

Am I right to assume that you just believe the politics will out?

[Lt. Aldo Raine]

7 hours ago, paulhanley said:

I've read several such articles. There are 3 examples below including one from the Guardian The EU is a protectionist racket with rules and regulations that choke the life out of aspiration and innovation. That leads to inefficiency in industry. That's a contributory reason as to why the parts of Europe inside the EU are the slowest growing part of the world. So is the dead-hand of the mentalist single currency.

The stuff in the article posted by Winchester White? Well .... we've heard it all before. You've just got to remember that EU lovers have been wrong about just about everything since the 90s while you're reading stuff like that. It's Project Fear mark 7,349. Why the hell should we believe it any more? The world outside the EU does just fine.

I'm totally sure not everyone will be a beneficiary and I'm sure there'll be some initial hassles. There's never a panacea whatever route you go down. It's a big old change after 40 odd years. But the overall picture will be positive through the 2020s  We will be nimble in resolving problems because the decision making will be all our own and not dependent on the views of scores of officials from 27 other countries whose interests in reality diverge from each other but who sign up to a political project regardless. A political project within which politics trumps economics when it comes to key decisions - to the detriment of the people who live within its confines.

On top of all that we get the full return of democracy as enshrined in the Magna Carta. The people will be fully sovereign. If we don't like those in whom we have invested power we will get rid. You can't do that with EU technocrats and Commissioners.

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2018/nov/22/respect-eu-britain-outside-left-economy

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/business/2020/01/20/industries-could-winners-britains-divergence-brussels/

https://www.spectator.co.uk/2019/08/why-britain-like-iceland-will-thrive-outside-the-eu/

 

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Edited January 26, 2020 by Lt. Aldo Raine
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[Sweep]

42 minutes ago, Spider said:

I note with some mirth that PaulHangry still needs an empty.

Aye, and in reality, does anybody read his posts and links fully? They're awfully wordy

[bolty58]

6 hours ago, Sweep said:

Aye, and in reality, does anybody read his posts and links fully? They're awfully wordy

Me. You missed an 'l' out of 'worldly'.

[Mounts Kipper]

Big week for the U.K. and the government, reported Northern Rail back into public ownership, (good news hopefully get it sorted and maybe back to private) decisions on Huawei, and of course Brexit day on Friday.

[Guest]

2 minutes ago, Mounts Kipper said:

Big week for the U.K. and the government, reported Northern Rail back into public ownership, (good news hopefully get it sorted and maybe back to private) decisions on Huawei, and of course Brexit day on Friday.

And the Chinese coronavirus to deal with that will hit the UK in all likelihood this week. 

[athywhite1958]

1 hour ago, bwfcfan5 said:

And the Chinese coronavirus to deal with that will hit the UK in all likelihood this week. 

I blame Boris/Brexit 😀😀

[Ani]

1 hour ago, Mounts Kipper said:

Big week for the U.K. and the government, reported Northern Rail back into public ownership, (good news hopefully get it sorted and maybe back to private) decisions on Huawei, and of course Brexit day on Friday.

Aye. Stock market down 2.39% at the moment. Lot of nerves with the coronavirus. 

[Tonge moor green jacket]

1 hour ago, Ani said:

Aye. Stock market down 2.39% at the moment. Lot of nerves with the coronavirus. 

Time to invest in companies that make face masks?

[Winchester White]

3 hours ago, Mounts Kipper said:

Big week for the U.K. and the government, reported Northern Rail back into public ownership, (good news hopefully get it sorted and maybe back to private) decisions on Huawei, and of course Brexit day on Friday.

Boris will bottle it on Huawei, it will cost too much money to reimburse the vendors on the billions already spent installing their kit.

[Tonge moor green jacket]

7 minutes ago, Winchester White said:

Boris will bottle it on Huawei, it will cost too much money to reimburse the vendors on the billions already spent installing their kit.

I think we should use someone else. That said, if we do, there'll be plenty saying he's just sucking up to Trump, or wasting money.

[Guest]

1 hour ago, Tonge moor green jacket said:

Time to invest in companies that make face masks?

The infectiousness of this virus (and mode of transmission) seems to be similar to that of the common cold.

In other words once it is out there you ain't going to stop it from getting you. Face mask or not. 

If it manages to seriously break out of China - and its hard to imagine that it won't then I can't see anyone being bothered with face masks. 

[Tonge moor green jacket]

5 minutes ago, bwfcfan5 said:

The infectiousness of this virus (and mode of transmission) seems to be similar to that of the common cold.

In other words once it is out there you ain't going to stop it from getting you. Face mask or not. 

If it manages to seriously break out of China - and its hard to imagine that it won't then I can't see anyone being bothered with face masks. 

Wearing them if you have got it, can help reduce spread of liquids.

It's also more about perception. One medical bloke the other day said they don't help particularly, but try telling that to the public who are desperate for something to help.

They'll sell shit loads.

[Guest]

1 minute ago, Tonge moor green jacket said:

Wearing them if you have got it, can help reduce spread of liquids.

It's also more about perception. One medical bloke the other day said they don't help particularly, but try telling that to the public who are desperate for something to help.

They'll sell shit loads.

Most actually make your chances of getting a virus higher. I get the thing about public panic but by the time this thing is out there and spreading it'll be a footnote in the news and people will have moved on. 

[Sweep]

6 hours ago, Ani said:

Aye. Stock market down 2.39% at the moment. Lot of nerves with the coronavirus. 

Spoke to some of my contacts there today. One of them lives in Wuhan, she's been orders not to leave her flat, it's a complete lockdown, so no way is she back at work in Shenzhen on Wednesday.

the biggest factory I deal with is just outside Shanghai, they should be going back on Friday, they've been told the factory will not be allowed to open before 8th Feb

Another week or so, and this'll get really serious globally, as nothing is shipping out of China it seems. The 7-10 days for CNY causes enough hassle... That's now up to about 18 days, another week on top and it'll be chaos.

[Tonge moor green jacket]

If it gets really bad, would you anticipate companies perhaps looking for alternative suppliers the world over to protect themselves?

A bit of rebalancing.

[Tonge moor green jacket]

Varadkar firing the EU's initial shots across the bows.

Wasn't expecting it to be him, but the m.o. is so predictable.

Yawn.

[leigh white]

1 egg out of the basket, and 27 in the basket, it will take some great skills to negotiate with our ex partners for a good deal.

[Spider]

16 minutes ago, leigh white said:

1 egg out of the basket, and 27 in the basket, it will take some great skills to negotiate with our ex partners for a good deal.

As I understand it, we hold all the cards.

We always have.

They need us more than we need them.

their GDP (which I think is the accepted benchmark on here) is £19 trillion.

Ours is £2.1trillion.

We’ll shit ‘em.

[Mounts Kipper]

1 hour ago, Tonge moor green jacket said:

Varadkar firing the EU's initial shots across the bows.

Wasn't expecting it to be him, but the m.o. is so predictable.

Yawn.

He’s a wanker, let’s hope the Irish people fire him off next election. 

[Sweep]

1 hour ago, Tonge moor green jacket said:

If it gets really bad, would you anticipate companies perhaps looking for alternative suppliers the world over to protect themselves?

A bit of rebalancing.

Easier said than done, for the field I work in, it's not really possible, as no other countries have the set up to do it as things stand.... Certainly not for the cost anyway

[Tonge moor green jacket]

53 minutes ago, Sweep said:

Easier said than done, for the field I work in, it's not really possible, as no other countries have the set up to do it as things stand.... Certainly not for the cost anyway

That's my point, will other places look at developing their own.

China isn't going to be that cheap for ever.

[Tonge moor green jacket]

56 minutes ago, Mounts Kipper said:

He’s a wanker, let’s hope the Irish people fire him off next election. 

Seems like they might.

We've had numerous examples of this prior to and during the last round of negotiations. Then, as those MPs with knowledge and experience were proved right.

Not sure what the point of all the posturing is. Shut the fuck up and get on with it. Better for all surely.