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[kent_white]

10 minutes ago, royal white said:

Go to the uk and you get 3k to go back home. Not much to think through really. I suppose the spike in crossings could be down to either that, a new government or the Rwanda scheme stopping. Take your pick. 

So you're going to leave Syria - travel across continental Europe. Pay between £2000 and £4000 for your small boat trip across the channel, risking your life in the process. And then hand yourself over in the hope that you get £3000 and a return flight home? 

Can't see it personally.

[royal white]

1 minute ago, kent_white said:

So you're going to leave Syria - travel across continental Europe. Pay between £2000 and £4000 for your small boat trip across the channel, risking your life in the process. And then hand yourself over in the hope that you get £3000 and a return flight home? 

Can't see it personally.

It’s highly likely You’re not paying you’re 2-4k till you get here. You’re working first to pay off your debt. And Syria being the way it is it’s highly unlikely you will be returned there. 

[kent_white]

15 minutes ago, gonzo said:

I voted Labour in the last election and I've never met Elon Musk. I don't use X or have driven tesla. He doesn't drink in the bay horse either.

You obviously don't go in on quiz night - there every bloody week. I still think he's being fed the answers through those specs he wears! 

[kent_white]

1 minute ago, royal white said:

It’s highly likely You’re not paying you’re 2-4k till you get here. You’re working first to pay off your debt. And Syria being the way it is it’s highly unlikely you will be returned there. 

I honestly can't see it. Surely the intention is to stay here if you've gone to all that effort and risked life and limb? 

[gonzo]

 

 

14 minutes ago, Cheese said:

Whether you admit it or not, he currently decides what you and the other Bay Horse regulars talk about though.

And what you're talking about now?

[Winchester White]

23 minutes ago, gonzo said:

Depends on the validation of the said enquiries one might say...

The last one cost £200m and zero of the 20 recommendations actually implemented.

I say implement those asap and if required look at it again.

[Cheese]

Just now, gonzo said:

And what you're talking about now?

You brought it up, for no reason other than Musk tweeted about it 🤷‍♂️ Unless something else has happened that I missed?

[royal white]

1 minute ago, kent_white said:

I honestly can't see it. Surely the intention is to stay here if you've gone to all that effort and risked life and limb? 

115000 Syrians have returned to Syria from around Europe in less than 4 weeks since Assad fucked off. Now’s a better time than any…..especially when you add 3k and a free flight. 

[kent_white]

3 minutes ago, royal white said:

115000 Syrians have returned to Syria from around Europe in less than 4 weeks since Assad fucked off. Now’s a better time than any…..especially when you add 3k and a free flight. 

Now I'm really confused. I thought you wanted them to go? That's a good thing isn't it, surely? 

Do you think they're going to go home from around Europe - via a channel crossing and a trip to the UK to potentially pocket £3000, after having paid back the £2-4000 it cost for them to get here by working for a while. 

It all just cancels itself out. It doesn't make any sense. To me anyway. 

I imagine there a smallish group who were already here that might benefit. But I'm fine with that if it resolves some of the capacity issues were facing. 

Another point that I didn't realise was that they pay the £2-4000 back by working once they arrive. I'd always assumed they paid that before travelling. 

If it's true and they do pay it back by working on arrival - then 'smashing the gangs' seems a lot more plausible because the gangs are out of pocket initially until the debt is repaid. 

I'm sure that can't be right - but accept that maybe you've looked into this more than I have 

[royal white]

10 minutes ago, kent_white said:

Now I'm really confused. I thought you wanted them to go? That's a good thing isn't it, surely? 

Do you think they're going to go home from around Europe - via a channel crossing and a trip to the UK to potentially pocket £3000, after having paid back the £2-4000 it cost for them to get here by working for a while. 

It all just cancels itself out. It doesn't make any sense. To me anyway. 

I imagine there a smallish group who were already here that might benefit. But I'm fine with that if it resolves some of the capacity issues were facing. 

Another point that I didn't realise was that they pay the £2-4000 back by working once they arrive. I'd always assumed they paid that before travelling. 

If it's true and they do pay it back by working on arrival - then 'smashing the gangs' seems a lot more plausible because the gangs are out of pocket initially until the debt is repaid. 

I'm sure that can't be right - but accept that maybe you've looked into this more than I have 

Now I’m really confused What have I said that makes you think I want them to stay? 

Many migrants come here on false promises, it’s clearly obvious that many coming over don’t have the 2-4k that you quoted, or the 6-9k in most other cases, hence them having to work their debt off when they get here. The work in many cases is illegal work, mainly the cultivation of drugs especially amongst Eastern European, Chinese and Vietnamese. The few grand debt has paid itself many times over in the space of a few months. It’s more favourable  for the gang leaders to send people over owing money than paying up front. 
 

Smashing the gangs will never work, it’s to much of a lucrative trade and there’s always someone waiting to take the next space. (See drug dealers) 

[kent_white]

Just now, royal white said:

Now I’m really confused What have I said that makes you think I want them to stay? 

Many migrants come here on false promises, it’s clearly obvious that many coming over don’t have the 2-4k that you quoted, or the 6-9k in most other cases, hence them having to work their debt off when they get here. The work in many cases is illegal work, mainly the cultivation of drugs especially amongst Eastern European, Chinese and Vietnamese. The few grand debt has paid itself many times over in the space of a few months. It’s more favourable  for the gang leaders to send people over owing money than paying up front. 
 

Smashing the gangs will never work, it’s to much of a lucrative trade and there’s always someone waiting to take the next space. (See drug dealers) 

This is one of the problems with debating on here. It's easy to get confused about what the other person is saying 😁

OK - so if you've got someone under your control then I can see how that might work. Especially in the case of Vietnamese who tend to work in the grow houses. I was under the impression that people just tended to disappear into the ether on arrival and ended up committing crime because they had no legal options. 

But I do think dismantling the gangs is a distinct possibility if that really is their modus operandi. Essentially they're speculating to accumulate. So with the right resources and intelligence - it should be possible to screw them and leave them out of pocket. 

I reckon I could manage it!

Give me that £3 billion and I'll have it sorted in 2 years! 😁🫡

[gonzo]

27 minutes ago, Cheese said:

You brought it up, for no reason other than Musk tweeted about it 🤷‍♂️ Unless something else has happened that I missed?

I never mentioned Elon Musk. I don't care what he's tweeted or what he has to say. 

You're the one that seems obsessed with him.

I posted a link from The Telegraph earlier in the week. 

[Cheese]

14 minutes ago, gonzo said:

I never mentioned Elon Musk. I don't care what he's tweeted or what he has to say. 

You're the one that seems obsessed with him.

I posted a link from The Telegraph earlier in the week. 

Ok mate. I'm sure it was all just a massive coincidence.

[gonzo]

30 minutes ago, Cheese said:

Ok mate. I'm sure it was all just a massive coincidence.

Well this is the email that alerted me to the telegraph article in which I posted.

I never once mentioned Elon Musk.

 

[Cheese]

3 minutes ago, gonzo said:

Well this is the email that alerted me to the telegraph article in which I posted.

I never once mentioned Elon Musk.

 

👍 And when you listen to Joe Rogan talking about it next week, I'm sure it's because he really cares about the victims.

Edited January 10, 2025 by Cheese

[gonzo]

37 minutes ago, Cheese said:

👍 And when you listen to Joe Rogan talking about it next week, I'm sure it's because he really cares about the victims.

 

Cant wait 🌟

Edited January 10, 2025 by gonzo

[royal white]

5 minutes ago, gonzo said:

 

Cant wait 🌟

All lies because Joe rogan said it. 

[BobyBrno]

8 hours ago, kent_white said:

They are. Across the world. Largely thanks to the uncertainty surrounding Mr Trump's forthcoming presidency (admittedly amongst other important factors). 

Yep. Just as they always have. UK a bit of an outlier though for the following reasons. (from trading economics)

‘The pressure in the UK bond market has been further amplified by mounting investor concerns over the nation’s debt levels and the government's ability to restore public finances while implementing its budget plans. In late October, the Chancellor of the Exchequer unveiled a new budget that included £142 billion in borrowing and a £74 billion increase in annual spending, raising alarms about fiscal sustainability. Additionally, fears over the inflation outlook weighed on sentiment, as CPI inflation, and wage growth showed upward trends. Traders are now anticipating only two quarter-point rate reductions by the BoE this year, compared to over three predicted a month ago.’

[Spider]

1 hour ago, BobyBrno said:

Yep. Just as they always have. UK a bit of an outlier though for the following reasons. (from trading economics)

‘The pressure in the UK bond market has been further amplified by mounting investor concerns over the nation’s debt levels and the government's ability to restore public finances while implementing its budget plans. In late October, the Chancellor of the Exchequer unveiled a new budget that included £142 billion in borrowing and a £74 billion increase in annual spending, raising alarms about fiscal sustainability. Additionally, fears over the inflation outlook weighed on sentiment, as CPI inflation, and wage growth showed upward trends. Traders are now anticipating only two quarter-point rate reductions by the BoE this year, compared to over three predicted a month ago.’

How much did the Tories borrow?

[BobyBrno]

12 minutes ago, Spider said:

How much did the Tories borrow?

Whatabout, whatabout………

They've gone pal. We have a new useless government to complain about. 

[Winchester White]

13 minutes ago, BobyBrno said:

Whatabout, whatabout………

They've gone pal. We have a new useless government to complain about. 

To be fair, Cameron played the blame game on Labour for the global banking crisis and managed to oust them and then got a conservative 2nd term still playing the same game.

You could say they have played on it ever since until Liz royally fucked things up and the wheels fell off their economic bandwagon.

COVID is a major factor though for sure, just for balance like.

[Winchester White]

I see Bolty's Bum Boy is rethinking the whole Shamima Begum's citizenship saga all of a sudden.

What a twat he is.

Triple B that is, not Bolty.

[BobyBrno]

42 minutes ago, Winchester White said:

To be fair, Cameron played the blame game on Labour for the global banking crisis and managed to oust them and then got a conservative 2nd term still playing the same game.

You could say they have played on it ever since until Liz royally fucked things up and the wheels fell off their economic bandwagon.

COVID is a major factor though for sure, just for balance like.

Every new government since I’ve been interested in politics has done the same and I’m going back to the sixties. It can only last so long until they get found out. This one seems to have broken all records though. 
Anyway, I only came on because it’s been raining here and the suns out now so TTFN.

[Tonge moor green jacket]

10 hours ago, Spider said:

How much did the Tories borrow?

At the time, iirc, you were pleased with Rishi's generous 80% salary protection during covid.

Where the fuck did you think that was coming from?

Fortunately, other countries had to do likewise. 

That still had/has to be paid back, but at a manageable rate, with a fine balance between debt reduction and economic growth. 

Million miles from what is happening now.

She's getting off lightly given the figures are worse than when Truss went on her giveaway speech. 

Boby's quote is likely out of date.

Interest rates aren't now anticipated to be reduced twice, with the i-weekend reporting they will rise. 

She's been an absolute fucking disaster, with some pundits claiming Starmer will have to sack her soon, for them to have any credibility going forward.

Thankfully, because she's fucked up, my anuity offer is decent. 

Silver lining. 

[Spider]

So we’re paying back the Covid money.

thats that cleared up then.