Politics

[kent_white]

1 hour ago, Sweep said:

To be honest, they should have seen it coming, so like those who voted Brexit, they're getting what they deserved

Yep. Cutting your nose off to spite your face seems to be the current trend. 

Give me sensible, pragmatists any day. 

[Bertie]

4 hours ago, bolty58 said:

Had to look. Wish I hadn't.

Are you suggesting that National Rally are the only French party to have done this? Before answering, do your homework carefully.

There will now likely be an attempt to bring down their shaky coalition government.

Even if she remains barred, the effect on National Rally vote tally will likely be significant. Numb fuckers haven't learned from what they have just observed in the US. Seems you haven't either.

Not suggesting Le Pen’s party are the only ones to do this at all.  Would be surprised if they were tbh. This doesn’t mean they should be exempt from punishment if found guilty of committing crimes though? If others have transgressed get them in court as well.  I’m a big believer in that in a democracy everyone is born equal and the laws apply equally to all. Simples.

[kent_white]

5 minutes ago, Bertie said:

Not suggesting Le Pen’s party are the only ones to do this at all.  Would be surprised if they were tbh. This doesn’t mean they should be exempt from punishment if found guilty of committing crimes though? If others have transgressed get them in court as well.  I’m a big believer in that in a democracy everyone is born equal and the laws apply equally to all. Simples.

That's where I'm at. You can't just cry conspiracy everytime someone on your 'side' falls foul of the law. 

You need some really good evidence that that's the case. Otherwise you just sound like a flat earther.

[gonzo]

https://news.sky.com/story/why-the-device-youre-reading-this-on-shows-us-how-trumps-tariffs-could-herald-one-of-the-most-painful-episodes-in-modern-times-13343764

 

 

[Spider]

4 hours ago, Cheese said:

Is it balls. It's cultish devotion. Trump can literally do no wrong.

Correct.

Crocodile Dundeecake would follow Trump into a volcano.

patience is indeed a virtue. See Brexit for details.

[boltonboris]

5 hours ago, Casino said:

well, my pension is doing great

hes a fucking cunt

all we can hope is he cancels em all sharpish, claiming it was about getting folks attention

He will. But not before he and his pals have snapped up all that cheap stock. 

Remember congress recently rejected a motion to ban it’s politicians from being able to buy and sell stocks

[Sweep]

6 minutes ago, boltonboris said:

He will. But not before he and his pals have snapped up all that cheap stock. 

Remember congress recently rejected a motion to ban it’s politicians from being able to buy and sell stocks

who'd have thunk it

[Cheese]

6 minutes ago, boltonboris said:

He will. But not before he and his pals have snapped up all that cheap stock. 

Remember congress recently rejected a motion to ban it’s politicians from being able to buy and sell stocks

Putin playbook. Folk seem to think "it can't possibly happen to us!"...

[bolty58]

12 hours ago, kent_white said:

I know you do. But is that based on anything better than just a feeling? 

Certainly is.

[bolty58]

11 hours ago, Sweep said:

They may well do, but the US will hit recession, I don't think there is much doubt about that, and that's not what he promised to his voters. To be honest, they should have seen it coming, so like those who voted Brexit, they're getting what they deserved

You're becoming as 'instantaneous' as the screechers on here. Stay calm. Premature ejaculators always end up feeling let down.

Time is a great healer.

[bolty58]

9 hours ago, kent_white said:

That's where I'm at. You can't just cry conspiracy everytime someone on your 'side' falls foul of the law. 

You need some really good evidence that that's the case. Otherwise you just sound like a flat earther.

Keep it going lads. We need this groundswell you are part of to grow and grow. There will likely be a similar reaction amongst voters to the persecution of Trump. They see.

[Spider]

7 hours ago, bolty58 said:

Keep it going lads. We need this groundswell you are part of to grow and grow. There will likely be a similar reaction amongst voters to the persecution of Trump. They see.

“We”

[kent_white]

9 hours ago, bolty58 said:

Certainly is.

What though?

I'm not saying you're wrong - I'm just saying that I haven't heard any evidence that this is a set up. If it was then I might start agreeing with you. 

[kent_white]

9 hours ago, bolty58 said:

Keep it going lads. We need this groundswell you are part of to grow and grow. There will likely be a similar reaction amongst voters to the persecution of Trump. They see.

I don't really care about that. I care about the integrity of the legal system. Conspiracy theorists will always pipe up - but the moment we start failing to prosecute wrongdoing because we're worried that it might have a negative political consequence then the legal system is well and truly tainted. 

Like I've said. If there's evidence of corruption attached to Le Pen's case. Let us see it so that we can make our own judgement. Otherwise you're just making a martyr out of someone who has broken the law to try and score political points. 

[Not in Crawley]

4 minutes ago, kent_white said:

What though?

I'm not saying you're wrong - I'm just saying that I haven't heard any evidence that this is a set up. If it was then I might start agreeing with you. 

This is a very good explanation 

https://www.politico.eu/article/marine-le-pen-guilty-verdict-national-rally-viktor-orban-giorgia-meloni-kremlin-donald-trump-elon-musk-reactions/

Basically, Populists and those on the far right are up in arms because of two things, firstly she's not allowed to run as the judge upheld the ruling, which they think is a legal set up but actually as is explained here isn't unprecedented.

Secondly a centrist French party was accused of the same things, and currently there is a retail there as the funds were significantly less but despite this 8 members of that party went to jail.

Funnily enough there wasn't howls of conspiracy at that point.

Anyway the article pretty much explains it.

[kent_white]

22 minutes ago, Not in Crawley said:

This is a very good explanation 

https://www.politico.eu/article/marine-le-pen-guilty-verdict-national-rally-viktor-orban-giorgia-meloni-kremlin-donald-trump-elon-musk-reactions/

Basically, Populists and those on the far right are up in arms because of two things, firstly she's not allowed to run as the judge upheld the ruling, which they think is a legal set up but actually as is explained here isn't unprecedented.

Secondly a centrist French party was accused of the same things, and currently there is a retail there as the funds were significantly less but despite this 8 members of that party went to jail.

Funnily enough there wasn't howls of conspiracy at that point.

Anyway the article pretty much explains it.

Thanks mate. I'll have a read. 

[Zico]

28 minutes ago, Not in Crawley said:

This is a very good explanation 

https://www.politico.eu/article/marine-le-pen-guilty-verdict-national-rally-viktor-orban-giorgia-meloni-kremlin-donald-trump-elon-musk-reactions/

Basically, Populists and those on the far right are up in arms because of two things, firstly she's not allowed to run as the judge upheld the ruling, which they think is a legal set up but actually as is explained here isn't unprecedented.

Secondly a centrist French party was accused of the same things, and currently there is a retail there as the funds were significantly less but despite this 8 members of that party went to jail.

Funnily enough there wasn't howls of conspiracy at that point.

Anyway the article pretty much explains it.

One question I had before I read it was why can someone else just not run in her place instead 

And they can 

So you can still vote national rally in at the next election 

Vote for policies not People 

As you were then

[kent_white]

1 minute ago, Zico said:

One question I had before I read it was why can someone else just not run in her place instead 

And they can 

So you can still vote national rally in at the next election 

Vote for policies not People 

As you were then

Yeah that's pretty much my take on it. Le Pen was in the wrong and it looks like has been correctly prosecuted and convicted (in keeping with convictions for other parties - so there is a precedent). The people who want to vote for the party still can do, and the French judiciary is doing its job impartially.  

Everyone's happy then aren't they? 

[Zico]

9 minutes ago, kent_white said:

Everyone's happy then aren't they? 

Seems so, In France, at least 

The usual suspects are not

[Ani]

30 minutes ago, Zico said:

One question I had before I read it was why can someone else just not run in her place instead 

And they can 

So you can still vote national rally in at the next election 

Vote for policies not People 

As you were then

But people do vote for people, I would not vote for Labour under Corbyn for instance. 
 

LePen as much as people dislike her is a proper leader and she keeps the various factions in her party under control as all good party leaders do. It would be like Farage getting banned and then asking next in line to step up. God knows who that would be but as Farage and Lowe have already fallen out not sure Lee Anderson, Tice or the other MP are upto the job. 

[kent_white]

12 minutes ago, Ani said:

But people do vote for people, I would not vote for Labour under Corbyn for instance. 
 

LePen as much as people dislike her is a proper leader and she keeps the various factions in her party under control as all good party leaders do. It would be like Farage getting banned and then asking next in line to step up. God knows who that would be but as Farage and Lowe have already fallen out not sure Lee Anderson, Tice or the other MP are upto the job. 

I get that mate. But if Nigel Farage broke the law - I don't think we shouldn't be queasy about prosecuting him because it might energise the Reform base. 

Same as if Rachel Reeves broke the law. Or anybody really - regardless of where they stand on the political spectrum. 

[Ani]

Just now, kent_white said:

I get that mate. But if Nigel Farage broke the law - I don't think we shouldn't be queasy about prosecuting him because it might energise the Reform base. 

Same as if Rachel Reeves broke the law. Or anybody really - regardless of where they stand on the political spectrum. 

Do not think I said we should did I ? 
 

Just a comment that if you lose a leader who has the support of the whole base it can highlight the factions within the party. 

[Sweep]

6 minutes ago, kent_white said:

I get that mate. But if Nigel Farage broke the law - I don't think we shouldn't be queasy about prosecuting him because it might energise the Reform base. 

Same as if Rachel Reeves broke the law. Or anybody really - regardless of where they stand on the political spectrum. 

Agreed, you break the law, you then have to be punished, no matter who you are. People will always think there is some sort of witch hunt on, especially when it's "controversial" people who get found out. It's not unlike the supporters of Tommy Robinson, who were up in arms at him being arrested, even though he broke the law. All of a sudden, it's never about the crime the individual has committed, but it spirals, very quickly, into them being shut down and/or silenced

[Sweep]

24 minutes ago, Ani said:

But people do vote for people, I would not vote for Labour under Corbyn for instance. 
 

LePen as much as people dislike her is a proper leader and she keeps the various factions in her party under control as all good party leaders do. It would be like Farage getting banned and then asking next in line to step up. God knows who that would be but as Farage and Lowe have already fallen out not sure Lee Anderson, Tice or the other MP are upto the job. 

I agree to a point, the likes of Le Pen and Farage, are arguably bigger than their parties, if they decided to leave their political party, and set up another one, vast swathes of their support would go with them, and to a point, almost irrespective of what their policies are (unless their is a radical change in stance)

[London Wanderer]

11 minutes ago, Sweep said:

Agreed, you break the law, you then have to be punished, no matter who you are. People will always think there is some sort of witch hunt on, especially when it's "controversial" people who get found out. It's not unlike the supporters of Tommy Robinson, who were up in arms at him being arrested, even though he broke the law. All of a sudden, it's never about the crime the individual has committed, but it spirals, very quickly, into them being shut down and/or silenced

This was millions of Euros (tax payers money allocated to European parliament), siphoned off directly into their own party.

It's a carefully orchestrated financial crime and justice has been served. Her face was priceless coming out of court.

Sadly we live in a world where blatant facts can be discredited in a 15 second tik tok video, so no doubt this will add some fuel to the fire. Especially with it being related to the EU.