H Posted March 20, 2018 Share Posted March 20, 2018 Bill Ridding must have been in the uber-genius class having won us the cup and beat the Munichs in the final. Not that most of you would remember that far back. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators Casino Posted March 20, 2018 Moderators Share Posted March 20, 2018 No doubt about that at all. The more serious debate is Rioch or Greaves.I'd go for the latter in winning the 2nd Div title and keeping us up for a season just about beats Rioch. however, greaves spent half a million on clement and cantello and took 3 years to get us up might have been very different had we gone up earlier Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SnoopJohnnyJohn Posted March 20, 2018 Share Posted March 20, 2018 https://www.bwfc.co.uk/news/2018/march/a-note-from-the-chairman3/ Semi-relevent. Sweaty Ken's "note from the chairman" - we have reported our accounts on time for the first time in several years and if we have a strong 4th quarter we will have been profitable for the first year since 2005. Turning point? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marc505 Posted March 20, 2018 Share Posted March 20, 2018 This is what makes football a bit shit though - success for a club like Bolton, Charlton or Stoke these days is being in the PL for an extended period of time, and getting to an FA Cup Semi-Final once every 10 or 15 years. The sad thing is, the longer a team stays in the PL, the more debt they seem to build up for themselves and the larger the issues when they do eventually get relegated. Every now and then a team bucks the trend, such as Leicester winning the league and/or somebody shit like Portsmouth or Wigan winning the FA Cup - but let's be honest, it wouldn't come as a massive surprise if the winners, each season for the next 25 years, of the Premier League and FA Cup came from one of Arsenal, Tottenham, Man City, Man Utd, Liverpool or Chelsea 90% of the time.........unless another Billionaire enters the frame of course It’s true, it does make things a bit shit and probably dangerous to think too much into it as you’d never go again and that’s when football becomes a tv show rather than a sporting, social event. As No Balls (Lampard fingers towards the sky) used to say, it’s a lifestyle choice Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators Casino Posted March 20, 2018 Moderators Share Posted March 20, 2018 Bill Ridding must have been in the uber-genius class having won us the cup and beat the Munichs in the final. Not that most of you would remember that far back. I don't need to have been around to know comparisons with medieval times are totally irrelevant The game has changed immeasurably Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
H Posted March 20, 2018 Share Posted March 20, 2018 Just like Alf Ramsey and the World Cup winning team. All dinosaurs and totally irrelevant. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators Casino Posted March 20, 2018 Moderators Share Posted March 20, 2018 They sure as buggery wouldn't win it today You can only beat what you come up against but surely you agree ridding at least had a chance to win the league....which he didn't achieve Allardyce didn't have a prayer Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MalcolmW Posted March 20, 2018 Share Posted March 20, 2018 They sure as buggery wouldn't win it today You can only beat what you come up against but surely you agree ridding at least had a chance to win the league....which he didn't achieve Allardyce didn't have a prayer Abolition of the maximum wage in 1961 was the turning point... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators Casino Posted March 20, 2018 Moderators Share Posted March 20, 2018 It was certainly the beginning of the bend Chuck in home teams keeping their gate money then sky, champions leagues, proper game changers Comparing ridding and allardyce is a nonsense And I really can't stand the walrus Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tomski Posted March 20, 2018 Share Posted March 20, 2018 Winning a trophy should/would be remembered more fondly Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gonzo Posted March 20, 2018 Share Posted March 20, 2018 How close did we actually come to winning the league? I know we came 3rd a couple of times? But how much was in it? Did we bottle it etc? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
H Posted March 20, 2018 Share Posted March 20, 2018 (edited) It was certainly the beginning of the bend Chuck in home teams keeping their gate money then sky, champions leagues, proper game changers Comparing ridding and allardyce is a nonsense And I really can't stand the walrus I didn't compare Ridding directly to Allardyce. MancWanderer said no one was in the brilliant category because they hadn't won a trophy.I put Ridding in the 'uber-genius' class because he did and beat the scum to achieve it. Edited March 20, 2018 by H Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whoareya? Posted March 20, 2018 Share Posted March 20, 2018 MancWanderer also put Phil Neal in the same bracket as Parky. Ergo his rating criteria is somewhat flawed! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dusan nikolic Posted March 20, 2018 Share Posted March 20, 2018 (edited) How close did we actually come to winning the league? I know we came 3rd a couple of times? But how much was in it? Did we bottle it etc? 1891/92 1) Sunderland 42pts 2) Preston 37pts 3) Bolton 36pts Last six games of season W4 D0 L2 included in this 1-4 defeat to Sunderland. 1920/21 1) Burnley 59pts 2) Man city 54pts 3) Bolton 52pts Last six games of season W4 D0 L2 1924/25 1) Huddersfield town 58pts 2) West Brom 56pts 3) Bolton 55pts Last six games of season W4 D1 L1 Drew 0-0 with West Brom last game. Edited March 20, 2018 by dusan nikolic Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators Casino Posted March 20, 2018 Moderators Share Posted March 20, 2018 So 24 was probably as good as it got, specially with Huddersfield being very strong Just crossed my mind Back then what was the holy trail League or fa cup Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dusan nikolic Posted March 20, 2018 Share Posted March 20, 2018 So 24 was probably as good as it got, specially with Huddersfield being very strong Just crossed my mind Back then what was the holy trail League or fa cup Good question, from a supporters perspective it looks like the FA. Cup was a massive draw , a big proportion of clubs record attendances were achieved in the FA.Cup in the 1920's to 40's. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Site Supporter MickyD Posted March 21, 2018 Site Supporter Share Posted March 21, 2018 1891/92 1) Sunderland 42pts 2) Preston 37pts 3) Bolton 36pts Last six games of season W4 D0 L2 included in this 1-4 defeat to Sunderland. 1920/21 1) Burnley 59pts 2) Man city 54pts 3) Bolton 52pts Last six games of season W4 D0 L2 1924/25 1) Huddersfield town 58pts 2) West Brom 56pts 3) Bolton 55pts Last six games of season W4 D1 L1 Drew 0-0 with West Brom last game. All at 2 points for a win so nowhere near. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jayjayoghani Posted March 21, 2018 Share Posted March 21, 2018 MancWanderer also put Phil Neal in the same bracket as Parky. Ergo his rating criteria is somewhat flawed! What's up, are you gay? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MancWanderer Posted March 21, 2018 Share Posted March 21, 2018 I didn't compare Ridding directly to Allardyce. MancWanderer said no one was in the brilliant category because they hadn't won a trophy. I put Ridding in the 'uber-genius' class because he did and beat the scum to achieve it. I’m too young to have been around in the Ridding era so could only comment on those managers I’d experienced. That said I would agree with you Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MancWanderer Posted March 21, 2018 Share Posted March 21, 2018 MancWanderer also put Phil Neal in the same bracket as Parky. Ergo his rating criteria is somewhat flawed! Bearing in mind the circumstances he inherited he did a good job imo. No money, a ton of debt and a team heading to Div 4 (or were we already there?). He laid the foundations for the Rioch years stabilising the club and pointing it in the right direction. Not too dissimilar to Parky Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kent_white Posted March 21, 2018 Share Posted March 21, 2018 Everybody knows that the greatest turning point in the history of football was when Tony Kelly came on when we were losing to Everton away in the FA Cup. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Site Supporter Tonge moor green jacket Posted March 21, 2018 Site Supporter Share Posted March 21, 2018 Bearing in mind the circumstances he inherited he did a good job imo. No money, a ton of debt and a team heading to Div 4 (or were we already there?). He laid the foundations for the Rioch years stabilising the club and pointing it in the right direction. Not too dissimilar to Parky Agree. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tomski Posted March 21, 2018 Share Posted March 21, 2018 Bearing in mind the circumstances he inherited he did a good job imo. No money, a ton of debt and a team heading to Div 4 (or were we already there?). He laid the foundations for the Rioch years stabilising the club and pointing it in the right direction. Not too dissimilar to ParkyIm with you on that. Set up Bruce to kick on. Just couldn’t quite get us over the line Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whoareya? Posted March 21, 2018 Share Posted March 21, 2018 Bearing in mind the circumstances he inherited he did a good job imo. No money, a ton of debt and a team heading to Div 4 (or were we already there?). He laid the foundations for the Rioch years stabilising the club and pointing it in the right direction. Not too dissimilar to Parky Oh he took us down to 4th all right. And was taking us back there - finishing just 6 points above relegation in his last season, losing 3 of last 4 games, etc, etc. It’s a fallacy Neal put us in a position to build. Bruce Rioch transformed the culture and aspirations of club and imo we have him solely to thank for putting us on the up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dusan nikolic Posted March 21, 2018 Share Posted March 21, 2018 (edited) Oh he took us down to 4th all right. And was taking us back there - finishing just 6 points above relegation in his last season, losing 3 of last 4 games, etc, etc. It’s a fallacy Neal put us in a position to build. Bruce Rioch transformed the culture and aspirations of club and imo we have him solely to thank for putting us on the up.I'm sure Bruce Rioch would certainly thank Phil Neal for discovering Andy Walker from Celtic Reserves, after all he plundered 26 league goals for him in 92/93. Also don't forget in Neal's penultimate season he missed promotion on fucking goal difference and then narrowly lost the Play off final ( a position unthinkable 5 years before) . 3 Wembley finals, 2 club record unbeaten runs , 1 promotion , 2 play off appearances and all done on a shoestring , there was no £300,000 available for Phil Neal to sign the likes of David Lee. After a shaky start and the shrewd introduction of Mick Brown as his assistant Phil Neal brought back a real feel good factor back to a club in the doldrums. Think of this ,out of the 12 players who appeared in the promotion winning game v Preston , 9 were Phil Neal signings , if that doesn't entitle him to some credit for building the platform for Bruce Rioch then I don't know what does. Edited March 21, 2018 by dusan nikolic Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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