Youri McAnespie Posted July 5, 2019 Share Posted July 5, 2019 Those saying 'let's get settled and give him 'til Christmas' forget the fact we can't pot anyone at Christmas because it's a nasty thing to do at that time of year... If that sloppy tw*t is Matthews' agent best let him go - try and retain Jake Turner, even if this is based solely on one poster's report on him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sluffy Posted July 5, 2019 Share Posted July 5, 2019 6 minutes ago, masi 51 said: Pot him while in administration save 75 per cent of his salary He's a football creditor and as such would be paid up in full including his 1 year rolling contract and this would have to be paid before exiting Administration (by the new owners). So it costs you the same either way (in Administration, or after Administration and both by the new owners). Seems to me the bottom line is that the new owners simply don't have a spare £1m or so knocking about to pot him considering whatever it is they do need immediately to buy the club and bring it out of Admin. If this is the case they can't even fund potting him from the ST income as some suggest because you need the money (say £1m) up front. I imagine many people spread the cost of their ST's over the year by DD - so there won't be £1m up front available for that. And even if the ST income is factored in advance, which would require the factoring company to secure their loan against club assets, it is unknown until we see what charges are set against of the new company that has taken ownership of the club, how much of the club assets would already be required to have been leveraged against the loans of those investing into the FV consortium to actually purchase the club and pay off all the current creditors of it. Personally I think the ideal thing to do was to thank PP but tell him it is time for him to move on but I highly suspect that the new owners finances won't stretch to that with all the outgoings they will have to buy the club and bring it out of Administration. Fwiw I think Parky has the opportunity to think of what strategy is needed to acquire enough points of a comfortable top half of the table side, in order to finish in a comfortable bottom half of the table position. Starting the season 12 points behind (and possibly more thanks to the stupid and pointless player strike) - in all honesty what did it actually achieve?) we are starting 4 wins (at least) behind the others. Certainly not an impossible task to stay up but we obviously need to be winning games to get the points to do so. Parkinson has an ok striker in Magennis and a good play maker at this level in Oztumer. Magennis won't score enough goals to win the points we need as a lone striker so PP needs to start off with the mindset of having two players upfront. If he starts off with this sort of thinking, knowing we need to win games but we have to accept attacking will at times leave us more vulnerable in defence, then at least it is a step in the right direction and hopefully have him looking at least four strikers in the squad and look to bring in some speed throughout the team where he can. I'm not asking him to do a Coyle and have all attack and no defence but to look to have goals in the team and at our level, with our anticipated player budget to work with, that means playing two up front (even if one of the two is in more of a withdrawn striker role). I would guess that with a limited budget one or two of the youngsters might be getting a game, so he would need to get one or two seasoned pros to have in the side for their experience and leadership. I'd have O'Neil back for instance if he was willing and would accept the relative pittance we would be paying. What I am saying is that if we do keep Parky - which seems likely - that he probably will have a bit more say in player recruitment (I'm sure the Andersons brought in several players he simply didn't want, over his head) and that we need to win at least four more games than the clubs around us by the end of the season just to be equal with them - and I doubt you can do that with a team probably containing some youths, some triers and a few old heads, if you are playing just one up front and not attacking. That's what I would do anyway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
birch-chorley Posted July 5, 2019 Share Posted July 5, 2019 Just think, sack him now and we are paying him £X per week until July 2020 Wait until January to sack him and we are paying him until January 2021 The longer we leave it until he gates sacked, the more it costs the club Unless he turns things around miracles do happen Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
radcliffe white Posted July 5, 2019 Share Posted July 5, 2019 Where 1m come from to sack him? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bwfcfan5 Posted July 5, 2019 Share Posted July 5, 2019 7 minutes ago, radcliffewhite1 said: Where 1m come from to sack him? Guessing that 12 months pay off for Parky and his staff won't leave much change from 1M. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
radcliffe white Posted July 5, 2019 Share Posted July 5, 2019 2 minutes ago, bwfcfan5 said: Guessing that 12 months pay off for Parky and his staff won't leave much change from 1M. Really! How many staff does he have out of interest? i reckon Parkinson is 250k tops Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eavesy Posted July 5, 2019 Share Posted July 5, 2019 25 minutes ago, radcliffewhite1 said: Really! How many staff does he have out of interest? i reckon Parkinson is 250k tops I guess it’s a balance between which costs more? Or which is less painful? parkinsons and his cronies pay off or 2000 less season tickets at say an average £150 (£300k ish) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
radcliffe white Posted July 5, 2019 Share Posted July 5, 2019 I get the financial implications just wondered where the 1m was from official source or guesswork just my opinion but I think your looking more at 500k for parkinson and a couple of coaches Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bwfcfan5 Posted July 5, 2019 Share Posted July 5, 2019 3 minutes ago, radcliffewhite1 said: I get the financial implications just wondered where the 1m was from official source or guesswork just my opinion but I think your looking more at 500k for parkinson and a couple of coaches You might be right (though he has more than two...at least... Fitness coach, goalie coach, Parkin, Darby) Then you've got to spend money to replace them. Then you've got to factor in timescale. God knows how long this deal will take to complete. Another week? Two weeks - whenever it does, even if it completed today you've got to get a management team in place work on targets and sign them. Changing manager just delays that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bwfc2003 Posted July 5, 2019 Share Posted July 5, 2019 1 minute ago, bwfcfan5 said: You might be right (though he has more than two...at least... Fitness coach, goalie coach, Parkin, Darby) Then you've got to spend money to replace them. Then you've got to factor in timescale. God knows how long this deal will take to complete. Another week? Two weeks - whenever it does, even if it completed today you've got to get a management team in place work on targets and sign them. Changing manager just delays that. Unless something is happening behind the scenes Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wanderlust Posted July 5, 2019 Share Posted July 5, 2019 (edited) 10 hours ago, bolty58 said: Lucky? FFS - widely credited with innovation in the area of sports science way before others in the UK even thought about it. Brilliant negotiating skills to get the likes of Okocha, Djorkaeff, Hierro, Anelka etc. to come to "little old Bolton". Apart from the fact that ED was ready to bankroll the huge (by the standards of the day) salaries required to bring in these top players Allardyce was lucky enough to come in at a time when quality players like these weren't valued. Players were generally thought to be past it at 30 but that would never happen these days. What are the chances of picking up a player of the quality of Jay Jay or Youri on a free transfer in the current era? Nil? What he saved in transfer fees he spent on wages and he had the backing to do it which was a great (albeit short term) strategy but but everything has changed since then, so using what happened in the uniquely aligned fortunate circumstances of back then as a justification to suggest he'd be any use to us now? There are no top players on free transfers available, there is no money to cover the sort of wages they'd expect even if they were available. As I said, Allardyce was the right guy in the right place at the right time - a time which has now long since passed. I'm glad he was here to continue the building work done by Rioch and Todd, but we really do have to move on from Allardyce. Edited July 5, 2019 by Hoppy510 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
radcliffe white Posted July 5, 2019 Share Posted July 5, 2019 Just now, bwfcfan5 said: You might be right (though he has more than two...at least... Fitness coach, goalie coach, Parkin, Darby) Then you've got to spend money to replace them. Then you've got to factor in timescale. God knows how long this deal will take to complete. Another week? Two weeks - whenever it does, even if it completed today you've got to get a management team in place work on targets and sign them. Changing manager just delays that. I was commenting more on his salary, I have resigned to another season with Parkinson i was just questionable over the 1m Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
barrycowdrill Posted July 5, 2019 Share Posted July 5, 2019 Whilst I don’t believe he can turn it around, I don’t enjoy what he / his teams deliver, amongst all of this upheaval with owners & players he’ll remain the one constant in all of this so I completely get why the new owners will keep him. For now. I think / hope it will be assessed after the first couple of months. If we’ve made up the gap and results are decent then again every credit to him for answering his critics (it still won’t be pretty) however, if the start has been shit then we can’t leave it too long otherwise the season will be written off and relegation beckons again already. For me it’s only a matter of time before he’s gone anyway so the new mob have to find the readies to get rid. Whether that’s now, Oct or whenever Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DazBob Posted July 5, 2019 Share Posted July 5, 2019 4 hours ago, Mounts Kipper said: One of the most compelling reasons to keep Parky is that if we get rid that’s about 1 million out of our budget, that’s about 5 decent players at this level. 5 decent players he can ruin. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snowball Posted July 5, 2019 Share Posted July 5, 2019 Think its nailed on Parky will start new season now. Theres just too much to do now to be ready for august Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blondi Posted July 5, 2019 Share Posted July 5, 2019 4 minutes ago, DazBob said: 5 decent players he can ruin. Or just never play them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators Casino Posted July 5, 2019 Moderators Share Posted July 5, 2019 2 minutes ago, snowball said: Think its nailed on Parky will start new season now. Theres just too much to do now to be ready for august and thats the over riding fact in all this Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wanderlust Posted July 5, 2019 Share Posted July 5, 2019 If he stays he'll be under scrutiny from day 1 and given that it's a tall order to assemble a competitive team between now and the start of the season I can't see it being long before folk are calling for him to be sacked. Obviously the hard luck stories will be trotted out but the pressure is likely to mount and perhaps the only thing that will give him a stay of execution is the club's inability to fund paying off his contract and the recruitment of a replacement - unless they give the job to David Lee who will get plenty of sympathy and understanding as we slide towards League 2. But hopefully a miracle will happen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
radcliffe white Posted July 5, 2019 Share Posted July 5, 2019 5 minutes ago, Mr Grey said: 250k ??? That's nearly as much as Jules 😀 6 months salary for jules that Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DazBob Posted July 5, 2019 Share Posted July 5, 2019 24 minutes ago, Casino said: and thats the over riding fact in all this Just pot him as soon as the takeover is complete. There's only 7 players anyway, one is a goalkeeper who won't play and the other is Ozthumer who won't play. There will never be a more convenient time to get shut of him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JJ10 Posted July 5, 2019 Share Posted July 5, 2019 A couple of people on Fb / Twitter posting about seeing Parky in Manchester today. & With Sharron Brittan in the Malmaison according to one of them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sweep Posted July 5, 2019 Share Posted July 5, 2019 1 minute ago, JJ10 said: A couple of people on Fb / Twitter posting about seeing Parky in Manchester today. & With Sharron Brittan in the Malmaison according to one of them. must be true then.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
birch-chorley Posted July 5, 2019 Share Posted July 5, 2019 Can you not serve him his notice then make him work it, if he wants the cash of course with hindsight he should have been served it months back in order to cut costs when it was all kicking off, we might have only been looking at 6 months left now Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JJ10 Posted July 5, 2019 Share Posted July 5, 2019 3 minutes ago, Sweep said: must be true then.... Never said it was Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bwfcfan5 Posted July 5, 2019 Share Posted July 5, 2019 7 minutes ago, JJ10 said: A couple of people on Fb / Twitter posting about seeing Parky in Manchester today. & With Sharron Brittan in the Malmaison according to one of them. How would anyone know what Sharon Brittan looks like? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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