Guest Posted July 4, 2019 Posted July 4, 2019 If we had Owen Coyle who set up an attacking team to win each game and we lost I predict nobody would be any happier than they are now. That's my point. If we find a manager who wins us games, everyone will be happy. But that is literally what everyone is trying to do. The reality is that we have a manager who last time in this league with us did well. And has done well with other teams in this league. If we were in a normal position a fresh start immediately would make absolute sense. It would have happened already. But we're not in a normal position. And as much as fans might be clamouring for a new man - practicality and reality has to dictate the decision. And also if Parky does well then all is good. If he doesn't we'll at least have some players and the owners their feet under the table and then they can make a change. I can't really see the issue there myself.
Ratwhite Posted July 4, 2019 Posted July 4, 2019 1 hour ago, barrycowdrill said: And they’re the ones who don’t bother half the time. The hangers on. There in the prem days and when beating Peterborough etc but not there any other time. Them and their opinions can fuck off as far as I’m concerned the issue now is, the every weekers (made up of the majority on here) when some of those begin to lose interest, which many clearly are then there’s a fundamental problem. Were putting up with being skint. Nearly ceasing existence, the club being dragged through the mud, 3rd division football, -12 points. We’re all willing to look past those issues. But not the type of dross that is served up. That in itself tells the story working men and women from working class backgrounds from a working class town want to be excited. Looking forward to a Saturday. Graft all week, a bit of escapism for a couple of hours. We’ve not had that and I don’t see it changing if PP remains that’s not moaning for moaning sake. That’s being sick to fuck with being bored shitless and the one bit of hope and enjoyment being turned in to a miserable chore. And paying hard earned money for the privilege Got point well made
DazBob Posted July 4, 2019 Posted July 4, 2019 6 minutes ago, bwfcfan5 said: If we had Owen Coyle who set up an attacking team to win each game and we lost I predict nobody would be any happier than they are now. That's my point. If we find a manager who wins us games, everyone will be happy. But that is literally what everyone is trying to do. The reality is that we have a manager who last time in this league with us did well. And has done well with other teams in this league. If we were in a normal position a fresh start immediately would make absolute sense. It would have happened already. But we're not in a normal position. And as much as fans might be clamouring for a new man - practicality and reality has to dictate the decision. And also if Parky does well then all is good. If he doesn't we'll at least have some players and the owners their feet under the table and then they can make a change. I can't really see the issue there myself. What is it you're struggling to understand about the football under Parkinson being downright fucking awful? Losing is one thing. Losing in the manner that we do is what is putting folk off going next season. People are sick and tired of teams turning up and passing us off the park. That will not change whilst Parkinson is in charge. I shudder to think of the type of players he'll fill our squad with.
barrycowdrill Posted July 4, 2019 Posted July 4, 2019 22 minutes ago, bwfcfan5 said: If we had Owen Coyle who set up an attacking team to win each game and we lost I predict nobody would be any happier than they are now. That's my point. If we find a manager who wins us games, everyone will be happy. But that is literally what everyone is trying to do. The reality is that we have a manager who last time in this league with us did well. And has done well with other teams in this league. If we were in a normal position a fresh start immediately would make absolute sense. It would have happened already. But we're not in a normal position. And as much as fans might be clamouring for a new man - practicality and reality has to dictate the decision. And also if Parky does well then all is good. If he doesn't we'll at least have some players and the owners their feet under the table and then they can make a change. I can't really see the issue there myself. Are you happy with what you watch? I’m not asking for justification for it, not any “no. but..” just a simple yes or no will do...
Tonge moor green jacket Posted July 4, 2019 Posted July 4, 2019 10 minutes ago, DazBob said: What is it you're struggling to understand about the football under Parkinson being downright fucking awful? Losing is one thing. Losing in the manner that we do is what is putting folk off going next season. People are sick and tired of teams turning up and passing us off the park. That will not change whilst Parkinson is in charge. I shudder to think of the type of players he'll fill our squad with. I'd also add that players might be a little wary about coming given our recent plight. They'd also be doubly concerned about what they'd be expected to do. Oz mentioned his concerns before he came in an interview recently. He was aware of PP and his approach but was persuaded by him. No doubt others will be too. Doesn't matter if they're not great players that are targeted, they will still want to be part of something positive and new.
Guest Posted July 4, 2019 Posted July 4, 2019 12 minutes ago, DazBob said: What is it you're struggling to understand about the football under Parkinson being downright fucking awful? Losing is one thing. Losing in the manner that we do is what is putting folk off going next season. People are sick and tired of teams turning up and passing us off the park. That will not change whilst Parkinson is in charge. I shudder to think of the type of players he'll fill our squad with. I repeat though - bottom half league one teams will get passed off the park. Whether they have Parky managing them or not. Its not going to be pretty next season. There is almost an argument that its unfair for someone new to be tarnished with having to fight against a points deduction and build a squad in a matter of 2 weeks. If we could choose an experienced manager and do it all in time I'd probably say that was preferential. But in reality can we?
Guest Posted July 4, 2019 Posted July 4, 2019 1 minute ago, barrycowdrill said: Are you happy with what you watch? I’m not asking for justification for it, not any “no. but..” just a simple yes or no will do... Last time in this league I was more than happy. I was bloody delighted - some of the best away days for a long time.
barrycowdrill Posted July 4, 2019 Posted July 4, 2019 2 minutes ago, bwfcfan5 said: Last time in this league I was more than happy. I was bloody delighted - some of the best away days for a long time. Didn’t answer the question and your ignoring the last 2 years conveniently.
DazBob Posted July 4, 2019 Posted July 4, 2019 19 minutes ago, bwfcfan5 said: I repeat though - bottom half league one teams will get passed off the park. Whether they have Parky managing them or not. Its not going to be pretty next season. There is almost an argument that its unfair for someone new to be tarnished with having to fight against a points deduction and build a squad in a matter of 2 weeks. If we could choose an experienced manager and do it all in time I'd probably say that was preferential. But in reality can we? We get passed off the park by every team whether they're top of the league or bottom of the league.
RONNIE PHILLIPS Posted July 4, 2019 Posted July 4, 2019 33 minutes ago, bwfcfan5 said: If we had Owen Coyle who set up an attacking team to win each game and we lost I predict nobody would be any happier than they are now. That's my point. If we find a manager who wins us games, everyone will be happy. But that is literally what everyone is trying to do. The reality is that we have a manager who last time in this league with us did well. And has done well with other teams in this league. If we were in a normal position a fresh start immediately would make absolute sense. It would have happened already. But we're not in a normal position. And as much as fans might be clamouring for a new man - practicality and reality has to dictate the decision. And also if Parky does well then all is good. If he doesn't we'll at least have some players and the owners their feet under the table and then they can make a change. I can't really see the issue there myself. No offence but your point is bollocks... Most of us have seen quite a few relegation seasons but never such a feeble, negative, clueless, aimless excuse for a football TEAM. That team was PPs team, no excuses, buck firmly stops. Most of us realise that it will be a herculean achievement to stay up next season but even if we don't we want to see a team out there fighting & God forbid attacking occasionally! If one or two players don't treat the ball like a live hand grenade then we will be in dreamland. No matter what excuses are used last season crossed the line of acceptability ( Bury & Macc showed some grit in similar circumstances). Take a look at our away followings in the old 4th division days, we were there because even though we were shit it was still BWFC, the players put a shift in most weeks & tried to win the odd game not to roll over & have their bellies tickled & surrender quicker than an Italian pacifist! Rant over.
hughmungus Posted July 4, 2019 Posted July 4, 2019 28 minutes ago, bwfcfan5 said: Last time in this league I was more than happy. I was bloody delighted - some of the best away days for a long time. Completely different team to then, and for those of us who nowadays don't drink copious amounts of ale to cover up how bad the football is, the away days are going to be a real chore with Parkinsons style of football.
Ani Posted July 4, 2019 Posted July 4, 2019 4 minutes ago, RONNIE PHILLIPS said: No offence but your point is bollocks... Most of us have seen quite a few relegation seasons but never such a feeble, negative, clueless, aimless excuse for a football TEAM. That team was PPs team, no excuses, buck firmly stops. Most of us realise that it will be a herculean achievement to stay up next season but even if we don't we want to see a team out there fighting & God forbid attacking occasionally! If one or two players don't treat the ball like a live hand grenade then we will be in dreamland. No matter what excuses are used last season crossed the line of acceptability ( Bury & Macc showed some grit in similar circumstances). Take a look at our away followings in the old 4th division days, we were there because even though we were shit it was still BWFC, the players put a shift in most weeks & tried to win the odd game not to roll over & have their bellies tickled & surrender quicker than an Italian pacifist! Rant over. To blame Parky for everything last year is the biggest load of bollocks ever. We started the season brilliantly. Then it gradually went shit as a combination of factors (including Parkys management) The players virtually downed tools. Parky was was a factor but again we have this totally black or white approach. For me he has to go because as this thread shows he has been tarnished in the eyes of many and we need everyone pulling in the same direction. Anyone talking about making a good start is deluded. If we are only 12 points off safety after first month we will be doing better than I expect.
RONNIE PHILLIPS Posted July 4, 2019 Posted July 4, 2019 Just now, Ani said: To blame Parky for everything last year is the biggest load of bollocks ever. We started the season brilliantly. Then it gradually went shit as a combination of factors (including Parkys management) The players virtually downed tools. Parky was was a factor but again we have this totally black or white approach. For me he has to go because as this thread shows he has been tarnished in the eyes of many and we need everyone pulling in the same direction. Anyone talking about making a good start is deluded. If we are only 12 points off safety after first month we will be doing better than I expect. Did the players deliberately set out to camp in their own half & launch aimless rockets to a target man that was in Cardiff? I take your point that it wasn't totally down to Parky but even in the better times the fare on show has been predictable & one dimensional most of the time. No set of fans in the world would be happy to see the same man in charge for the new season after last seasons debacle I'm afraid. PP is a dead man walking so they might as well put him out of his misery. If he's still here I wouldn't be one to boo him but I really can't see anyway back for him now.
Ani Posted July 4, 2019 Posted July 4, 2019 9 minutes ago, RONNIE PHILLIPS said: Did the players deliberately set out to camp in their own half & launch aimless rockets to a target man that was in Cardiff? I take your point that it wasn't totally down to Parky but even in the better times the fare on show has been predictable & one dimensional most of the time. No set of fans in the world would be happy to see the same man in charge for the new season after last seasons debacle I'm afraid. PP is a dead man walking so they might as well put him out of his misery. If he's still here I wouldn't be one to boo him but I really can't see anyway back for him now. Ok. But that post is slightly different than the ‘no excuses’ earlier post you made. I hope FV having been planning for what happens at day 1. So maybe players lined up but we are starting virtually from fresh and doubtful will be ready or prepared for Wycombe. If it looks like we might be playing the kids then David Lee is an option but let’s be honest no realistic appointment is going to see us clear loads of season tickets.
Traf Posted July 4, 2019 Posted July 4, 2019 Those of you not happy at making long journeys to watch shit football should just move to Horwich ; simple, innit?
Guest Posted July 4, 2019 Posted July 4, 2019 2 minutes ago, Mr Grey said: Nah I blame him for the dross served up on the pitch, that's down to him and him alone. They are professional football players ffs, you don't get to be one if you are shit. Some of them shit out, but they shit out because they were fucked off with him and his tactics. If a player scored, they were likely to be on the bench the next game and if you were Clayton H-2-0 Donaldson you got a run in the team for being absolute wank! See this is where I disagree. We had a very limited group of players for the division we were in. They weren't being paid and went on strike pre-season. They started well but then after the admin scare in September everything went downhill rapidly. There was no unity or spirit. But the prior two seasons nobody can say those players hadn't played for the manager. They absolutely did. Last year whilst Parky tactically got some stuff wrong I think the biggest factor was off-field issues. They took the spirit and sucked the life out. I mean we didn't even finish bottom and picked up more points (IIRC) than the Lennon season under similarly difficult circumstances. So I think to blame the manager for everything is incredibly naive.
Big Johnny Posted July 4, 2019 Posted July 4, 2019 Parky has to go for 1 it was costing a fortune last season turning up for the game and being back in the pub 40 minutes later due to being a couple down and playing shite And 2 the way he treated some players was verging on the ridiculous Mark little might not have been everyone's cup of tea but to totally ignore him and put Jason Lowe as a specialist full back was fucking insane The mans a first class cock
Mounts Kipper Posted July 4, 2019 Posted July 4, 2019 44 minutes ago, Ani said: To blame Parky for everything last year is the biggest load of bollocks ever. We started the season brilliantly. Then it gradually went shit as a combination of factors (including Parkys management) The players virtually downed tools. Parky was was a factor but again we have this totally black or white approach. For me he has to go because as this thread shows he has been tarnished in the eyes of many and we need everyone pulling in the same direction. Anyone talking about making a good start is deluded. If we are only 12 points off safety after first month we will be doing better than I expect. Reluctantly I have to agree it seems the majority want rid, a new broom and a completely fresh start. But it’s a high risk strategy and could end up with a worse manager than PP, believe it or not that is a very real possibility.
DomRepWanderer Posted July 4, 2019 Posted July 4, 2019 Not to mention giving up 70/75% possession to the opposition, that will and never will be a way of attracting fans back, the long ball game was dead as long ago as the 80s, teams did play more long ball when pitches were mud patches, but with better pitches football has evolved, Parkinson hasn't.
radcliffe white Posted July 4, 2019 Posted July 4, 2019 Think his body language rubs off in the dressing room the man looks beaten before he’s started
dazl1212 Posted July 4, 2019 Posted July 4, 2019 2 hours ago, bwfcfan5 said: If we had Owen Coyle who set up an attacking team to win each game and we lost I predict nobody would be any happier than they are now. That's my point. If we find a manager who wins us games, everyone will be happy. But that is literally what everyone is trying to do. The reality is that we have a manager who last time in this league with us did well. And has done well with other teams in this league. If we were in a normal position a fresh start immediately would make absolute sense. It would have happened already. But we're not in a normal position. And as much as fans might be clamouring for a new man - practicality and reality has to dictate the decision. And also if Parky does well then all is good. If he doesn't we'll at least have some players and the owners their feet under the table and then they can make a change. I can't really see the issue there myself. Agreed, I'm not thrilled that Parkinson is staying (I'm not sure thrilled and Parkinson go in the same sentence) but realistically its too late to change at this stage. We need a squad together and make sure we stay up then reassess before the next season. I can completely understand people not bothering renewing their season tickets to watch more defensive 1 dimensional football. mind you,
Rizlar Posted July 4, 2019 Posted July 4, 2019 I am in the get rid of PP camp my fear is that if he keeps his job he will sign some of the dross from last season and I really don't want to see the likes of Buckley and Wilson Taylor etc in a Bolton shirt , basically they stuck 2 fingers up at us fans and gave up last season. Also if PP stays then Oz needs to look for another club because he will never get a game.
Tonge moor green jacket Posted July 4, 2019 Posted July 4, 2019 All the more reason to change. No squad etc. A perfect opportunity for a new broom. Setting Parky off then appointing someone else later is madness. As long as fans can see some fight and desire to win games they'll be forgiving in the circumstances.
RONNIE PHILLIPS Posted July 4, 2019 Posted July 4, 2019 57 minutes ago, Ani said: Ok. But that post is slightly different than the ‘no excuses’ earlier post you made. I hope FV having been planning for what happens at day 1. So maybe players lined up but we are starting virtually from fresh and doubtful will be ready or prepared for Wycombe. If it looks like we might be playing the kids then David Lee is an option but let’s be honest no realistic appointment is going to see us clear loads of season tickets. Agreed on your final point but any new appointment will at least give a glimmer of hope. I can only see a tinderbox of an atmosphere if Parky is still here.
Tonge moor green jacket Posted July 4, 2019 Posted July 4, 2019 1 minute ago, RONNIE PHILLIPS said: Agreed on your final point but any new appointment will at least give a glimmer of hope. I can only see a tinderbox of an atmosphere if Parky is still here. And all our hopes and dreams up in smoke.
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