Coronavirus

[mickbrown]

4 minutes ago, Lt. Aldo Raine said:

In better news, reports are emerging that Remdesivir is showing promise as an effective treatment.

Ace. That means we can listen to Trump trying to pronounce it again 

[Winchester White]

13 minutes ago, Sweep said:

Sweden is starting to look a bit shit now, their decision to treat this lightly is now starting to look very foolhardy

According to this, they aren't so bad yet looking at deaths per 100k

https://www.ecdc.europa.eu/en/cases-2019-ncov-eueea

We are about par with France 

[MancWanderer]

1 hour ago, Traf said:

I'll never order from Beer52 again.

Last box I ordered was still showing as being at Hermes' depot 10 days after B52 emailed to say it had been dispatched. I rang them about it and they said that Hermes had said I'd refused delivery. It was still showing as at their depot. Our local hermes guy is brilliant, he only lives round the corner and I knew he'd not had it on his round.

Aye. Taking this a step aside from the actual virus

Mrs Manc works for Hermes. She’s also worked for DHL, DX and City Link. Companies promising to deliver stuff are cunts. Utter cunts. They negotiate contracts with logistics companies and then basically fucking lie to the end buyer/user promising next day delivery, timed delivery, etc. Mrs Manc then sits there day in day out trying to explain that what a seller has promised you re delivery isn’t technically possible because they haven’t paid for that even though they guarantee it on their website. Xmas is a nightmare and right now with all the shops shut is even worse

If you’re gonna order stuff online check out whether you can track it. If you can’t then don’t order. DPD are ace with their app. Hermes are good with their tracking system. Royal Mail/Parcelforce aren’t too bad. The rest are hit and miss imo and you need to press them on a refund if not delivered on time

Anyway. Advice over. Back to tits and bickering. As you were 

[leigh white]

19 minutes ago, MancWanderer said:

Aye. Taking this a step aside from the actual virus

Mrs Manc works for Hermes. She’s also worked for DHL, DX and City Link. Companies promising to deliver stuff are cunts. Utter cunts. They negotiate contracts with logistics companies and then basically fucking lie to the end buyer/user promising next day delivery, timed delivery, etc. Mrs Manc then sits there day in day out trying to explain that what a seller has promised you re delivery isn’t technically possible because they haven’t paid for that even though they guarantee it on their website. Xmas is a nightmare and right now with all the shops shut is even worse

If you’re gonna order stuff online check out whether you can track it. If you can’t then don’t order. DPD are ace with their app. Hermes are good with their tracking system. Royal Mail/Parcelforce aren’t too bad. The rest are hit and miss imo and you need to press them on a refund if not delivered on time

Anyway. Advice over. Back to tits and bickering. As you were 

Ordered gear twice in the last two weeks and Hermes delivered the stuff earlier both times, good firm. Both vans came without the normal Hermes livery, just plain white vans.

[Traf]

Yeah, I've had franchises with Parceline/DPD, CityLink, FedEx and UK Mail and it was always the drivers getting it in the neck for the suppliers bullshit.

[Tombwfc]

3 hours ago, Mounts Kipper said:

We’re still behind Italy, Spain, France, Belgium deaths per million, but somehow some folk think were 2nd worst, strange folk twisting figures to try prove a point, lower than vermin. 

 

Hold on, ever since the government started showing graphs at these press conferences, they've shown the same chart comparing total deaths in various countries during their outbreaks. Not deaths per million. Nobody forced them to do so, that was what they chose as being the most useful visual aid.

Now anyone using the same method is vermin and twisting figures?

No one single chart will tell you everything, and none are without their flaws. But anyone jumping on deaths per million as now being the only stat that matters - on the day we went clear into second on what has been the most widely used point of comparison - is looking to spin figures.

Edited April 30, 2020 by Tombwfc

[Guest]

4 hours ago, Tombwfc said:

 

Hold on, ever since the government started showing graphs at these press conferences, they've shown the same chart comparing total deaths in various countries during their outbreaks. Not deaths per million. Nobody forced them to do so, that was what they chose as being the most useful visual aid.

Now anyone using the same method is vermin and twisting figures?

No one single chart will tell you everything, and none are without their flaws. But anyone jumping on deaths per million as now being the only stat that matters - on the day we went clear into second on what has been the most widely used point of comparison - is looking to spin figures.

Nonsense 

[RoadRunnerFan]

I think deaths per million is useful, though like Tom says no chart tells you everything. Deaths per million doesn't account for population density.

The only thing I found odd on the way the graphs were presented yesterday was that the deaths per million was shown using an exponential scale and the overall deaths on a standard scale. Overall deaths had previously been presented on an exponential scale and then we moved to a standard scale. 

I'm not making a judgement I just found it strange. 

Edited April 30, 2020 by RoadRunnerFan

[MickyD]

8 hours ago, MancWanderer said:

Aye. Taking this a step aside from the actual virus

Mrs Manc works for Hermes. She’s also worked for DHL, DX and City Link. Companies promising to deliver stuff are cunts. Utter cunts. They negotiate contracts with logistics companies and then basically fucking lie to the end buyer/user promising next day delivery, timed delivery, etc. Mrs Manc then sits there day in day out trying to explain that what a seller has promised you re delivery isn’t technically possible because they haven’t paid for that even though they guarantee it on their website. Xmas is a nightmare and right now with all the shops shut is even worse

If you’re gonna order stuff online check out whether you can track it. If you can’t then don’t order. DPD are ace with their app. Hermes are good with their tracking system. Royal Mail/Parcelforce aren’t too bad. The rest are hit and miss imo and you need to press them on a refund if not delivered on time

Anyway. Advice over. Back to tits and bickering. As you were 

Interesting about your wife working for most of the delivery companies. 

I spoke at length to a friend of MrsD's about this very subject. She works ad head of sales for a delivery company.  Can't say which one because it changes... a lot.

She's fairly well off because every couple of years she moves from one company to the next, recruits her existing team to the new place and they all bring existing large clients with them. All it takes is as many of these sales execs as there are delivery firms and it becomes a big merry-go-round. They all get additional bonuses for the new business they bring in, sit on a two year or so contract then move on to the next. 

[Zico]

10 hours ago, Winchester White said:

Not heard much on the poorer countries of Africa, have they managed to swerve this outbreak?

You won't find many Chinese restaurants or fashion hubs in places like Ethiopia

[Jol_BWFC]

7 hours ago, Tombwfc said:

 

Hold on, ever since the government started showing graphs at these press conferences, they've shown the same chart comparing total deaths in various countries during their outbreaks. Not deaths per million. Nobody forced them to do so, that was what they chose as being the most useful visual aid.

Now anyone using the same method is vermin and twisting figures?

No one single chart will tell you everything, and none are without their flaws. But anyone jumping on deaths per million as now being the only stat that matters - on the day we went clear into second on what has been the most widely used point of comparison - is looking to spin figures.

No point having this discussion again. We had it a week or so ago. We can all see that the UK has seen the sort of numbers Italy and Spain have seen. If someone wants to shift the goal posts to try and pretend they’re not wrong, it’s really not worth the hassle. Everyone else can see the prediction was wrong.

Edited April 30, 2020 by Jol_BWFC

[Spider]

47 minutes ago, Jol_BWFC said:

No point having this discussion again. We had it a week or so ago. We can all see that the UK has seen the sort of numbers Italy and Spain have seen. If someone wants to shift the goal posts to try and pretend they’re not wrong, it’s really not worth the hassle. Everyone else can see the prediction was wrong.

Mounts always goes off on one when you even remotely suggest one of his posts may not have been gospel.

Its very needy. And strange.

[Escobarp]

8 hours ago, Traf said:

Yeah, I've had franchises with Parceline/DPD, CityLink, FedEx and UK Mail and it was always the drivers getting it in the neck for the suppliers bullshit.

I also had a several franchises with business post way back when and can concur it Was the same then also. It’s always the person at the end of the chain 

[Tonge moor green jacket]

4 minutes ago, Mr Grey said:

Charts, analysis can all be manipulated to what they want to show the public, and your always going to show anything that looks positive, that happens in business, health and education.

We've been showing both total deaths and deaths per million, comparison charts with other nations etc.

Now they can collate the figures quicker, we're seeing all deaths on graphs.

It's another impossible task. Too many in a short time would have folk scratching their heads.

Others complaining that they're inadequate or in some way hiding data.

Every chart they show is very clearly labelled and fairly easy to pick trends etc from.

I did notice one being logarithmic ( as RRF said) yesterday, but it doesn't actually matter as long as you can read across to the "X and y" values.

They're doing well at these conferences and data can be viewed online at leisure if folk want to investigate more deeply.

One thing that does seem apparent, is that irrespective of approach, culture etc, that this virus will find weaknesses and wreak havoc wherever possible.

 

[Lt. Aldo Raine]

37 minutes ago, Mr Grey said:

Charts, analysis can all be manipulated to what they want to show the public, and your always going to show anything that looks positive, that happens in business, health and education.

Not in a public health emergency though, surely?

What matters then is presenting the most truthful and accurate data, whatever it is.

[Sweep]

12 hours ago, Mounts Kipper said:

We’re still behind Italy, Spain, France, Belgium deaths per million, but somehow some folk think were 2nd worst, strange folk twisting figures to try prove a point, lower than vermin. 

If we're being accurate, we're now ahead of France with deaths per million

 

Belgium though, wow, they're running away with it

[Lt. Aldo Raine]

2 minutes ago, Mr Grey said:

When there is a comparison to many different aspects and data, you can draw up as many charts as you like and put out negative or positive ones to suit you agenda. I do it with exam results for all qualifications. 

Right, but that's different to a government manipulating the statistics to put a positive spin on things during a national crisis.

I don't think our government is doing that, but there was a suggestion that if they were it'd just be one of those things rather than a scandal.

[radcliffe white]

Anyone just watched the piece about South Korea on bbc 

track & trace from the off and testing started many moons ago and today no new cases 

and all with very minimal lockdown 

[Burndens Bogs]

Yeh but they tell enormous porkies in the Far East, figures can't be trusted imo.

[Escobarp]

17 minutes ago, radcliffewhite1 said:

Anyone just watched the piece about South Korea on bbc 

track & trace from the off and testing started many moons ago and today no new cases 

and all with very minimal lockdown 

They had the tech from dealing with SARS 
we cannot underestimate how powerful tech is in dealing with this thing. 
 

im not sure I fancy my missus being able to see where I’ve been and what contact I’ve had with folk if that’s how it’s going to work though 😁. Would rather get the thing 

[Mounts Kipper]

31 minutes ago, Sweep said:

If we're being accurate, we're now ahead of France with deaths per million

 

Belgium though, wow, they're running away with it

Aye we’re now 15 deaths per million in front of France after we chucked the 4K nursing home deaths into our totals, no doubt some folk will be happy about that just to push some weird political agenda.  

Edited April 30, 2020 by Mounts Kipper

[radcliffe white]

Just now, Escobarp said:

They had the tech from dealing with SARS 
we cannot underestimate how powerful tech is in dealing with this thing. 
 

im not sure I fancy my missus being able to see where I’ve been and what contact I’ve had with folk if that’s how it’s going to work though 😁. Would rather get the thing 

Fair point it failed to mention that 

aye it’s all big brotherish, apps showing your previous journey wtf 

[Escobarp]

7 minutes ago, radcliffewhite1 said:

Fair point it failed to mention that 

aye it’s all big brotherish, apps showing your previous journey wtf 

Tbf iPhone does this already. I know of a bloke who got done proper at a divorce court case from his phone. Showed he was outside the birds house 3/4 times a week. Cost him a fortune apparently 

[Winchester White]

Just now, Escobarp said:

Tbf iPhone does this already. I know of a bloke who got done proper at a divorce court case from his phone. Showed he was outside the birds house 3/4 times a week. Cost him a fortune apparently 

I thought the reason for a divorce in this country made no impact on the financial settlement a court imposes?

On that note, Zico what's the latest on that Russian bird?

[radcliffe white]

Just now, Escobarp said:

Tbf iPhone does this already. I know of a bloke who got done proper at a divorce court case from his phone. Showed he was outside the birds house 3/4 times a week. Cost him a fortune apparently 

That’s mad!!

not into all that, my mates missus has him on find my location or something and constantly monitoring him

time for the old Nokia😀