Coronavirus

[Casino]

3 minutes ago, boltondiver said:

The knob head press will be screeching all over it.

The quiet majority of people will get it and act well.

I think if you are able to work at home it's very clear

For the majority, less so

Many folk can't work at home

And why 2m 'where possible'

Do we need to distance or do we not

[Spider]

The other thing is, a sales guy may tell me he doesn’t want to risk being out and about.

Who has the legal ground? 
 

Employer telling an employee it’s his job so do it or fuck off?

Employee, pointing at the government advice and saying he has the weight of law behind him?

Minefield.

[Casino]

1 minute ago, Spider said:

I’d say they do

Others would say they can stay home and pick up the phone.

In my opinion, they are better face to face.

The government and people nervous about CV may say otherwise.

Do I send a guy on a 2/3/400 mile round trip?

My competitors might.

I'm no wiser than you

Ask BD he reckons it's clear.

Fwiw, I don't think there's a need for face to face meetings at this stage

[ProfessorWoland]

1 minute ago, Spider said:

The other thing is, a sales guy may tell me he doesn’t want to risk being out and about.

Who has the legal ground? 
 

Employer telling an employee it’s his job so do it or fuck off?

Employee, pointing at the government advice and saying he has the weight of law behind him?

Minefield.

Sales guys customers may not want to see him either.

I'd tell anyone seeking to set up a meeting at present to fuck off. 

 

[Casino]

Prob means the sales guy at spiders place stays furloughed

[Jol_BWFC]

8 minutes ago, boltondiver said:

The knob head press will be screeching all over it.

The quiet majority of people will get it and act well.

In principle, yes, but I see a major issue being the dickhead minority who have kids. It only takes a couple of them to catch it and then infect a class / year group / a nursery. By the time anyone knows those kids have it, it could have been passed to a dozen classmates and their family bubbles (or whatever they’re calling them).

[jeep]

1 hour ago, peelyfeet said:

This conversation just came up on a football dads WhatsApp group I'm on.

Do you think Big Daddy and Giant Haystacks would have survived Coronavirus.

Easy easy easy easy.......

[Escobarp]

3 minutes ago, Casino said:

Prob means the sales guy at spiders place stays furloughed

What makes you think there is going to be a differentiation between two sales people as to who stays furloughed and who doesn’t? 

for me it’s going to be industry specific. Which is a mistake as it’s not that clear cut. 
 

government needs a way out of the majority of furlough payments ASAP and it will find a way, as it has to. 

 

 

[Ani]

https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.bbc.co.uk/news/amp/world-europe-52604676
 

This what happens when you relax the lockdown. The R rate goes up. 
 

We are already recording over 5k* new infections every day with an R at between  0.5 and 0.8.  Let’s say 0.8. And goes to 1 it is a 25% increase. So we would be seeing 6250 new infections a day. An increase of 1250 a day. So nearly 8k a week more infections and this is based on identified cases with our still limited testing. We would be running nearly 45k new infections a week ! 
 

(*5k is my recollection from briefings) 

[Spider]

I’ve no issue getting everyone back into work.

The issue is how much this “advice” means an employee can push it.

Remember, they come off furlough and we are paying them to sit at home. Full whack.

I imagine this applies to tens of thousands.

I want to be working, I want everything to be normal (for my liver as much as anything), but ambiguity just creates massive headaches.

[Zico]

49 minutes ago, Rudy’s Message said:

 

they're basically saying "you still can't go to the pub, but the rest is up to you"

littered with words like "if", "limit", "as much as possible", "regulary", "where possible"

that's basically being left up to an individual - and the changing from "stay at home" to "stay alert" is a green light to get out there and do what you want

might as well call it "Herd Immunity Lite"

hope they've got the testing and PPE levels up to once which can cope

[Spider]

Anyway, I’m bored....

 

[Jol_BWFC]

8 minutes ago, ZicoKelly said:

they're basically saying "you still can't go to the pub, but the rest is up to you"

littered with words like "if", "limit", "as much as possible", "regulary", "where possible"

that's basically being left up to an individual - and the changing from "stay at home" to "stay alert" is a green light to get out there and do what you want

might as well call it "Herd Immunity Lite"

hope they've got the testing and PPE levels up to once which can cope

On the plus side, everyone going out and mingling / getting infected might help Boris get to his 200,000 tests per day by the end of the month.

[royal white]

https://www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/news/greater-manchester-news/police-find-40-people-including-18228773
 

I hope TMGJ wasn’t involved 👀

[Guest Nordkurve]

6 hours ago, Escobarp said:

We shall see. Who are the FT you speak of that have undertook this investigation? 
 

https://www.channel4.com/news/factcheck/factcheck-does-the-uk-have-the-highest-coronavirus-death-toll-in-europe

Financial Times

[Escobarp]

Just now, Nordkurve said:

Financial Times

Thanks 

usually quite a reliable source. Not on this occasion though sadly. 

[Tombwfc]

36 minutes ago, Ani said:

https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.bbc.co.uk/news/amp/world-europe-52604676
 

This what happens when you relax the lockdown. The R rate goes up. 
 

We are already recording over 5k* new infections every day with an R at between  0.5 and 0.8.  Let’s say 0.8. And goes to 1 it is a 25% increase. So we would be seeing 6250 new infections a day. An increase of 1250 a day. So nearly 8k a week more infections and this is based on identified cases with our still limited testing. We would be running nearly 45k new infections a week ! 
 

(*5k is my recollection from briefings) 

 

The daily numbers seem to range from around 4k-6k. For context, the highest number of daily cases at any point of the epidemic in Germany was 6,933. They've found more than 3k new cases in a day once in the last month.

John Edmunds from SAGE told MPs that he thinks we're actually still getting 20,000 new cases per day.

As ever, we will tread our own path. 

Edited May 10, 2020 by Tombwfc

[Tonge moor green jacket]

9 minutes ago, royal white said:

https://www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/news/greater-manchester-news/police-find-40-people-including-18228773
 

I hope TMGJ wasn’t involved 👀

Don't live in tonge moor.

Mind you, trying to do work on Friday was bloody difficult.

Folk wandering around on estate roads preparing for distanced street parties, losing all road sense and looking at me as though I was the stupid one.

[Guest]

1 hour ago, Ani said:

https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.bbc.co.uk/news/amp/world-europe-52604676
 

This what happens when you relax the lockdown. The R rate goes up. 
 

We are already recording over 5k* new infections every day with an R at between  0.5 and 0.8.  Let’s say 0.8. And goes to 1 it is a 25% increase. So we would be seeing 6250 new infections a day. An increase of 1250 a day. So nearly 8k a week more infections and this is based on identified cases with our still limited testing. We would be running nearly 45k new infections a week ! 
 

(*5k is my recollection from briefings) 

The R is way below that outside of hospitals and care homes

[Spider]

1 minute ago, boltondiver said:

The R is way below that outside of hospitals and care homes

How do we know that? I don’t know anyone who’s been tested beyond front liners... though I know plenty of folk having symptoms recently

Edited May 10, 2020 by Spider

[Guest]

Just now, Spider said:

How do we know that? I don’t know anyone who’s been tested beyond front liners...

They've been saying it in the daily update

[Spider]

Just now, boltondiver said:

They've been saying it in the daily update

How can they possibly know?

Their own advice is still to self isolate.

 

[Guest]

33 minutes ago, Spider said:

How can they possibly know?

Their own advice is still to self isolate.

 

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8297425/Coronavirus-infecting-20-000-people-day-Britain-warns-leading-expert.html

"Despite the R rate being high in hospitals and care homes, which are higher risk areas, it is believed to be very low in the community because people are no longer having regular face-to-face contact with others.  

Professor Edmunds told the science committee that, a couple of weeks ago he would have said the R in the community was between 0.6 and 0.8"

 

I expect they are testing?

Keep the populations apart, is what I've said throughout, it remains good strategy.

That's why schools should still be learning.

Edited May 10, 2020 by boltondiver

[masi 51]

We need to start easing  down on lockdown. The critical R is All and everything. The more we ease the more the R will go up,but we have to accept , with each  easing. unfortunatly that will mean more deaths.

The is risk in everything in life. Do we shut the M6 because people will die on it every month of course not its a risk we accept.

Its the pricks who have totally ignored all advice who will keep that R figure high and not the government.

[Guest]

2 minutes ago, masi 51 said:

We need to start easing  down on lockdown. The critical R is All and everything. The more we ease the more the R will go up,but we have to accept , with each  easing. unfortunatly that will mean more deaths.

The is risk in everything in life. Do we shut the M6 because people will die on it every month of course not its a risk we accept.

Its the pricks who have totally ignored all advice who will keep that R figure high and not the government.

Good point, but it is the R in care homes and hospitals that is the problem, not the pricks.