Coronavirus

[peelyfeet]

1 hour ago, boltondiver said:

Most are under 65.

Under 65s are most likely to die in a RTA than from the virus.

Not true that mate, there's more than 2k under 60s died just in england and Wales in NHS  hospitals in 6 months. Thats about  double the under 60s that die in RTAs in GB in a year. Folk against restrictions posted stuff like this early on so they could say things like "we don't ban driving do we?"  

Its a shit argument. We are being asked to be cautious because they're scared of a 2nd outbreak in autumn/winter. If we have one and we get a bad run up to it at the end of summer, loads more old folk might die, and lockdown will be severe. Unless they get proof that this isnt going to happen, or we get better therapeutics, they arent going to change their mind.

[Guest]

18 minutes ago, peelyfeet said:

Not true that mate, there's more than 2k under 60s died just in england and Wales in NHS  hospitals in 6 months. Thats about  double the under 60s that die in RTAs in GB in a year. Folk against restrictions posted stuff like this early on so they could say things like "we don't ban driving do we?"  

Its a shit argument. We are being asked to be cautious because they're scared of a 2nd outbreak in autumn/winter. If we have one and we get a bad run up to it at the end of summer, loads more old folk might die, and lockdown will be severe. Unless they get proof that this isnt going to happen, or we get better therapeutics, they arent going to change their mind.

It is, I believe, true at the moment, though.

I understand the thinking, and I get the massive risk either way.

Throwing  everything at a 2nd wave that might not have happened. I think that they are basing this on the Spanish Flu. And we know it isn't flu.

[Guest]

45 minutes ago, peelyfeet said:

Not true that mate, there's more than 2k under 60s died just in england and Wales in NHS  hospitals in 6 months. Thats about  double the under 60s that die in RTAs in GB in a year. Folk against restrictions posted stuff like this early on so they could say things like "we don't ban driving do we?"  

Its a shit argument. We are being asked to be cautious because they're scared of a 2nd outbreak in autumn/winter. If we have one and we get a bad run up to it at the end of summer, loads more old folk might die, and lockdown will be severe. Unless they get proof that this isnt going to happen, or we get better therapeutics, they arent going to change their mind.

Ok

Out of every 100 who die, 12 are under 65

https://www.theguardian.com/world/ng-interactive/2020/jun/11/who-does-coronavirus-kill-in-england-and-wales-visualising-the-data

The last week saw 88 deaths in the UK; so 10

Last year, about 1,100 under 65s died in RTAs, so 21 a week

https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/904698/rrcgb-provisional-results-2019.pdf

 

 

[Boby Brno]

55 minutes ago, boltondiver said:

The ONS do it every week

 

 

https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/healthandsocialcare/conditionsanddiseases/bulletins/coronaviruscovid19infectionsurveypilot/englandandwales14august2020

Can’t open it on my phone. I’ll look later. Interested to know the estimated number infected just before the deaths piled up compared to now. We weren’t testing then so that gives no indication.

[Guest]

5 minutes ago, Boby Brno said:

Can’t open it on my phone. I’ll look later. Interested to know the estimated number infected just before the deaths piled up compared to now. We weren’t testing then so that gives no indication.

The key thing, for me, is that we are finding more infection in younger people and this, so far, is not resulting in increased hospitalisations or deaths.

Edited August 15, 2020 by boltondiver

[Zico]

2 minutes ago, boltondiver said:

Ok

Out of every 100 who die, 12 are under 65

https://www.theguardian.com/world/ng-interactive/2020/jun/11/who-does-coronavirus-kill-in-england-and-wales-visualising-the-data

The last week saw 88 deaths in the UK; so 10

Last year, about 1,100 under 65s died in RTAs, so 21 a week

https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/904698/rrcgb-provisional-results-2019.pdf

 

 

So with 41k deaths, that means nearly 5k under 65s so far based on 12 %

So already nearly 5 times as many in mid August

[Guest]

Just now, ZicoKelly said:

So with 41k deaths, that means nearly 5k under 65s so far based on 12 %

So already nearly 5 times as many in mid August

To date, yes, but not currently.

[Zico]

Just now, boltondiver said:

To date, yes, but not currently.

But your using a road traffic number based over a whole year

Spose this is a good example of how we can both view the same stats yet draw different conclusions

[Guest]

Just now, ZicoKelly said:

But your using a road traffic number based over a whole year

Spose this is a good example of how we can both view the same stats yet draw different conclusions

No, I'm saying the average over a year is 21/week

And the current average is 10/week for under 65s from the virus.

 

That seems fair. I'll try to find it on a monthly or weekly basis, but RTA stats are long-established. If I can then I'll come back to you.

Or are you looking for this week's RTA deaths, as they might be lower given the reduced road use?

[green genie]

11 minutes ago, boltondiver said:

The key thing, for me, is that we are finding more infection in younger people and this, so far, is not resulting in increased hospitalisations or deaths.

https://www.cebm.net/covid-19/declining-death-rate-from-covid-19-in-hospitals-in-england/

 

Hospital fatality rate down from peak of 6% to 1.5%. 

Get the stadiums open 

[Zico]

18 minutes ago, boltondiver said:

No, I'm saying the average over a year is 21/week

And the current average is 10/week for under 65s from the virus.

 

That seems fair. I'll try to find it on a monthly or weekly basis, but RTA stats are long-established. If I can then I'll come back to you.

Or are you looking for this week's RTA deaths, as they might be lower given the reduced road use?

yeah, or find 2020 RTA deaths to date, then compare that

no doubt there will seasonality too, based on drink driving

but if comparing a weekly average to a yearly average works for you, then go for it

I do agree that I've more chance of being killed in an RTA today though than by Covid

more so tomorrow if I manage to get out on my bike

[Guest]

7 minutes ago, ZicoKelly said:

yeah, or find 2020 RTA deaths to date, then compare that

no doubt there will seasonality too, based on drink driving

but if comparing a weekly average to a yearly average works for you, then go for it

I do agree that I've more chance of being killed in an RTA today though than by Covid

more so tomorrow if I manage to get out on my bike

The stats are produced annually, it seems.

And I can't see anything for week by week anywhere

So, for the time being, this might be as good as it gets.

Stay off pavements if you're cycling!

[Tonge moor green jacket]

4 hours ago, boltondiver said:

Too obvious, too sensible

And costly perhaps?

Not going to let folk in who are having relatively mild dose of it at quite an expense when they can be looked after at home.

Unless it could be shown that the extra transmission and quarantining produces a drop in income and tax to the treasury from the additional cases that is larger then the cost of looking after the initial patient.

Mind fuck.

Come to think about it, it might also reduce cases to such an extent that we are well on top of it before winter. Which could prove to be a worthwhile investment. 

Gonk is on to something. Have a word with Mr Green?

Edited August 15, 2020 by Tonge moor green jacket

[kent_white]

5 hours ago, Gonk said:

Why not open up the Nightingales and isolate people there so the rest of the household doesn't catch it 

That would be an extraordinarily bad idea!

[Guest]

”You’ve ruined my life”

[Tonge moor green jacket]

42 minutes ago, kent_white said:

That would be an extraordinarily bad idea!

Can you give a medical professional's  reasoning as to why.

Can see Gonk's point.

[Mounts Kipper]

 

we should be listening to this guy. 

[tyldesley_white]

21 minutes ago, Mounts Kipper said:

 

we should be listening to this guy. 

more chance of my arse healing up by then

[kent_white]

2 hours ago, Tonge moor green jacket said:

Can you give a medical professional's  reasoning as to why.

Can see Gonk's point.

Loads of reasons. 

Firstly - what do you do when people refuse to go? And who decides you're ready to go back home? And even if you could do it legally (which you can't) - then there wouldn't be any sense in having people travel in to a centre and risk passing the virus on when they could just stay at home. Plus you'd need to staff it with medical professionals that would be caring for people that don't need it. And then they'd all get ill because of the viral load.

And the people living in the same house as the person who is going to the nightingale centre will have already been exposed to the virus because of the asymptomatic stage. So it would be a waste of time sending them once they become poorly.

Stay at home - lock yourself in a room - eat Chinese food - drink lots of vimto and take paracetamol. That's what I did! 😁👍

[Tonge moor green jacket]

Shoot anyone refusing to go!

Just got outbreak on the box at the moment.😄

Spicy food may be the answer though. Turmeric is the latest super food- anti everything included inflammatory. 

Chuck in some ginger, garlic etc and covid won't have a chance.

[Escobarp]

5 minutes ago, Tonge moor green jacket said:

Shoot anyone refusing to go!

Just got outbreak on the box at the moment.😄

Spicy food may be the answer though. Turmeric is the latest super food- anti everything included inflammatory. 

Chuck in some ginger, garlic etc and covid won't have a chance.

How are our ethnic cousins so prone to a bad dose of it then?? JSL

[kent_white]

36 minutes ago, Tonge moor green jacket said:

Shoot anyone refusing to go!

That could work!

[boogs]

42 minutes ago, kent_white said:

Loads of reasons. 

Firstly - what do you do when people refuse to go? And who decides you're ready to go back home? And even if you could do it legally (which you can't) - then there wouldn't be any sense in having people travel in to a centre and risk passing the virus on when they could just stay at home. Plus you'd need to staff it with medical professionals that would be caring for people that don't need it. And then they'd all get ill because of the viral load.

And the people living in the same house as the person who is going to the nightingale centre will have already been exposed to the virus because of the asymptomatic stage. So it would be a waste of time sending them once they become poorly.

Stay at home - lock yourself in a room - eat Chinese food - drink lots of vimto and take paracetamol. That's what I did! 😁👍

Sage advice. I'm convinced it cures owt that stuff, couldn't live without it. Hot or cold, there is no better non-alcoholic drink known to man. 

[Tonge moor green jacket]

53 minutes ago, Escobarp said:

How are our ethnic cousins so prone to a bad dose of it then?? JSL

Put it the other way. How many would be dead without it!

You do pose a good question though. Must be the genes.

[Mounts Kipper]

4 hours ago, tyldesley_white said:

more chance of my arse healing up by then

I’ll take Nobel prize winner opinion over yours.