Coronavirus

[Farrelli]

At least the teacher can look at the individual and make a judgement on their ability. It’s not perfect but way better than a computer model that unfairly discriminates based on the school you attend. This was always going to adversely affect the less well off pupils in society.

[Mounts Kipper]

Surely an average of mocks and teachers expected grades would of sufficed, algorithm who they kidding? Just a cunning plan to allocate number of  kids to uni places available and fuck the kids off from piss poor postcode areas. 

Edited August 18, 2020 by Mounts Kipper

[Farrelli]

19 minutes ago, boltondiver said:

We might never know

We do know though.  It’s obvious and should have been changed before any results were released. 

[Guest]

5 minutes ago, Farrelli said:

We do know though.  It’s obvious and should have been changed before any results were released. 

That wasn’t my point, which you knew.

 

[mickbrown]

1 hour ago, Tonge moor green jacket said:

Possibly, though moderation is always used, and by removing it entirely, potentially discriminates against those of previous years, and moreso next year.

A proper functioning algorithm/system that doesn't produce such ridiculous, and spurious results in some cases, and a properly prepared appeals procedure wouldnt have seen such scenes.

We've had each nation in the UK adopting a similar approach, and then go back on it, which suggests the method is consistently harsh, so its seems surprising that it wasn't recognised as such earlier and modified accordingly. 

It was. That’s why Williams is a lying bastard pretending he didn’t know until the weekend. Course he fucking did.  
 

It wasn’t a problem with the algorithm. Like I said before it’s a societal problem. 
 

Private schools with small class size benefitted. That’s exactly what happen with exams too. The algorithm reflected education within our society. 

[Traf]

30 minutes ago, Mounts Kipper said:

Surely an average of mocks and teachers expected grades would of sufficed, algorithm who they kidding? Just a cunning plan to allocate number of  kids to uni places available and fuck the kids off from piss poor postcode areas. 

Couldn't have been more "Tory" if they'd tried.

[Guest]

20 minutes ago, Traf said:

Couldn't have been more "Tory" if they'd tried.

Hmm

I much preferred the old grammar school, direct grant world, which gave people like me the chance.

[radcliffe white]

Anyway when’s this “local lockdown” up for review, it’s getting tedious 

[Casino]

At least 10 days

It was renewed last week

Edited August 18, 2020 by Casino

[Casino]

whats not going to help is that in an attempt to make himself relevant, burnham is arguing the whole of greater manc should be treated alike

[radcliffe white]

Just in time for bank holiday weekend😀

that ain’t happening 

[Spider]

A Tory government is not going to let a load of scum buckets from the estates of Greater Manchester get a freebie into Oxbridge.

The government have fucked it up but given that this seems to be their default position for most major decisions at the moment, it means they don’t need to sack anyone for being piss poor since that’s where they’ve set the performance bar.

[dave2980]

1 hour ago, Casino said:

At least 10 days

It was renewed last week

Burnham was quoted earlier saying he hoped they could ease some things by the weekend. I think we're on weekly reviews not 3 weekly. 

[Escobarp]

52 minutes ago, radcliffewhite1 said:

Just in time for bank holiday weekend😀

that ain’t happening 

Plenty planned up here for the bank holiday weekend. The freedom is Lovely 😁

[mickbrown]

3 minutes ago, Escobarp said:

Plenty planned up here for the bank holiday weekend. The freedom is Lovely 😁

You’ve got to paint your face blue and scream it

[Tonge moor green jacket]

3 hours ago, boltondiver said:

I said at the time schools shouldn't close, so not with the benefit of hindsight.

You did.

But me and thee didn't have access to the same information they did. Plus, can you imagine what unions/press etc would have made of it.

[Guest]

2 minutes ago, Tonge moor green jacket said:

You did.

Plus, can you imagine what unions/press etc would have made of it.

Was that what forced their hand?

[Tonge moor green jacket]

2 hours ago, mickbrown said:

It was. That’s why Williams is a lying bastard pretending he didn’t know until the weekend. Course he fucking did.  
 

It wasn’t a problem with the algorithm. Like I said before it’s a societal problem. 
 

Private schools with small class size benefitted. That’s exactly what happen with exams too. The algorithm reflected education within our society. 

How do you know Mick?

Don't get me wrong, I'm inclined to agree, but we don't know for sure.

He's claimed he was assured by offqual that a similar scenario to Scotland wouldn't occur. Now, of course, "he would say that wouldn't he", but as yet I've not heard anyone at offqual rebuff the claim.

Strangely, whilst in Scotland and watching their news, it was said, that a rumour was doing the rounds that a similar thing would happen down here. They even said around 40% lowered.  This comment was made a week before the results came out down here.

Now, given the controversial nature of these results, I'm sure these rumours would have been out much earlier had it been widely known. North of the border, they've been hammering John Swinney for some time because they knew what would likely happen. Williamson not so much, so it may be possible that less was known about the situation down here.

That of course would lead to the question, should he have enquired more deeply into what England's situation would actually be like, to be more proactive maybe.

[Tonge moor green jacket]

12 minutes ago, boltondiver said:

Was that what forced their hand?

Possibly, dunno.

For exams to be sat in May as normal, teachers etc would have wanted more assurances over the safety beforehand, and I don't see how anyone could have given them enough, as some are still unsure about going back now, with some union noise too.

[Tonge moor green jacket]

1 hour ago, Spider said:

A Tory government is not going to let a load of scum buckets from the estates of Greater Manchester get a freebie into Oxbridge.

The government have fucked it up but given that this seems to be their default position for most major decisions at the moment, it means they don’t need to sack anyone for being piss poor since that’s where they’ve set the performance bar.

It's a bit of a myth. Maybe in the days of yore, but not now.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/education/2020/jan/16/record-numbers-of-state-school-pupils-given-oxford-places

 

[Casino]

44 minutes ago, dave2980 said:

Burnham was quoted earlier saying he hoped they could ease some things by the weekend. I think we're on weekly reviews not 3 weekly. 

Thought it was fortnightly

Anyway, this insistence from burnham to treat all authorities the same is dogshit

[Zico]

Just now, Casino said:

Thought it was fortnightly

Anyway, this insistence from burnham to treat all authorities the same is dogshit

Think the first one was, now it's weekly

Maybe

[Tonge moor green jacket]

Just now, Casino said:

Thought it was fortnightly

Anyway, this insistence from burnham to treat all authorities the same is dogshit

Hasn't he said otherwise this morning or yesterday?

Something about good authorities like Wigan being given less stringent measures.

[Casino]

Aye, who knows what 9pm brings

[Casino]

Just now, Tonge moor green jacket said:

Hasn't he said otherwise this morning or yesterday?

Something about good authorities like Wigan being given less stringent measures.

ahh, maybe

Ive not been keeping up

8 think thats maybe cos he has come under pressure from folk seeing the possibility the dicks in oldham and blackburn shut the whole area down