Coronavirus

[only1swanny]

Wearing masks has massively reduced general handwashing etc. 

Go in the supermarket at loads walk straight past the hand/trolley clean station. 

 

Going through gallons of the stuff in work still. 

[Guest]

2 hours ago, peelyfeet said:

What's the word with the lock down sceptics regarding the upsurge in hospitalisations and infections. Who/what they blaming, or are they denying it / downplaying it?

Don't know

My view is we don't need another fll lockdown, need to protect certain people in society, schools, pubs, restaurantsand businesses remain open as long as possible, and we try and get our people to be more responsible.

I can see a possible weakness..............

[Casino]

Who are the certain people we need to protect

50 year old factory workers?

[Guest]

12 minutes ago, Casino said:

Who are the certain people we need to protect

50 year old factory workers?

Totally

[peelyfeet]

21 minutes ago, boltondiver said:

Don't know

My view is we don't need another fll lockdown, need to protect certain people in society, schools, pubs, restaurantsand businesses remain open as long as possible, and we try and get our people to be more responsible.

I can see a possible weakness..............

Unless track and trace gets better, the only way to reduce infection is to reduce number of high risk  contact instances. Schools will be last on list to remove, indoor mixing will go first I think, indoor catering and entertainment will get booted before schools. 

[Guest]

2 hours ago, peelyfeet said:

What's the word with the lock down sceptics regarding the upsurge in hospitalisations and infections. Who/what they blaming, or are they denying it / downplaying it?

By the way; this 'ere "upsurge"

https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/healthcare

 

A month ago, there were 523 being treated in hospital in England, yesterday 988.

As thing isn't going away, and the first lockdown was to protect the NHS, which coped easily (respect to all) then we are a long way way from there.

 

[Guest]

26 minutes ago, boltondiver said:

Don't know

My view is we don't need another full lockdown, need to protect certain people in society, schools, pubs, restaurantsand businesses remain open as long as possible, and we try and get our people to be more responsible.

I can see a possible weakness..............

 

[peelyfeet]

Bolton about to be knocked off the top of the plops by Accrington in a few days by the looks of it.

 

 

[peelyfeet]

3 minutes ago, boltondiver said:

By the way; this 'ere "upsurge"

https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/healthcare

 

A month ago, there were 523 being treated in hospital in England, yesterday 988.

As thing isn't going away, and the first lockdown was to protect the NHS, which coped easily (respect to all) then we are a long way way from there.

 

It's gonna be a lot higher than in a few weeks if the rest of NW follows Bolton's trend for hospitalisations, as they are doing for cases. 

Boltons cases have been dropping for a few days, so hopefully hospitalisations will plateau in a week or 2

[Zico]

12 minutes ago, peelyfeet said:

Unless track and trace gets better, the only way to reduce infection is to reduce number of high risk  contact instances. Schools will be last on list to remove, indoor mixing will go first I think, indoor catering and entertainment will get booted before schools. 

I can live with most restrictions

But if they shut nurseries/schools, I'm fucked, can't be a daytime child minder at the expense of work again

Anyway, off into manc tonight for a meal whilst i still can

[Escobarp]

North west needs locking down Completely and utterly. Roadblocks the lot before it spreads elsewhere. Harsh but true. 

Edited September 19, 2020 by Escobarp

[superjohnmcginlay]

confirmed case in my lads class. Isolation now for two weeks but my daughter can go in school, the same school 🤷🏼‍♂️

[Winchester White]

14 minutes ago, Escobarp said:

North west needs locking down Completely and utterly. Roadblocks the lot before it spreads elsewhere. Harsh but true. 

You have a point, until we get a vaccine we need to stop playing at it. Local and properly enforced lockdowns. I encourage tasers and batons.

Oh and I do see the irony that we have fuck all of a police force these days to enforce it.

To those that say why bother I kind of see their skewed view but you have to realise we can't just say fuck the old folk. They have worked their entire lives and deserve helping, many older folk are still helping others less fortunate and are fit, healthy and willing to support their community day in day out.

Seems our generation and younger don't give a fuck.

 

[radcliffe white]

Kids school just does immediate contact for isolation not year group 

[Winchester White]

10 minutes ago, superjohnmcginlay said:

confirmed case in my lads class. Isolation now for two weeks but my daughter can go in school, the same school 🤷🏼‍♂️

It is the only way to try at least to get kids learning again. It isn't ideal but we need kids back in school. 

I would say we might need a reset for a week to clear the minds of the idiots but I think we are past that now.

[frank_spencer]

16 minutes ago, superjohnmcginlay said:

confirmed case in my lads class. Isolation now for two weeks but my daughter can go in school, the same school 🤷🏼‍♂️

Yeah same at my lads school. Y5 have to stay off but the rest of the school is in.

[Casino]

10 minutes ago, Winchester White said:

You have a point, until we get a vaccine we need to stop playing at it. Local and properly enforced lockdowns. I encourage tasers and batons.

Oh and I do see the irony that we have fuck all of a police force these days to enforce it

 

id definitely be happy to see a few squaddies on patrol

[Guest]

12 minutes ago, Winchester White said:

You have a point, until we get a vaccine we need to stop playing at it. Local and properly enforced lockdowns. I encourage tasers and batons.

Oh and I do see the irony that we have fuck all of a police force these days to enforce it.

To those that say why bother I kind of see their skewed view but you have to realise we can't just say fuck the old folk. They have worked their entire lives and deserve helping, many older folk are still helping others less fortunate and are fit, healthy and willing to support their community day in day out.

Seems our generation and younger don't give a fuck.

 

Number of police is about the same as 20 years ago.

[Tonge moor green jacket]

13 minutes ago, Casino said:

id definitely be happy to see a few squaddies on patrol

Agree. 

11 minutes ago, boltondiver said:

Number of police is about the same as 20 years ago.

Even if number were higher, there would still be too much for them to cover.

I reckon the presence of a few military personnel might focus a few minds.

[Winchester White]

12 minutes ago, boltondiver said:

Number of police is about the same as 20 years ago.

Aye, and the crime rate and population is the same too, as is the number of unrecorded crimes by folk who are fed up of asking for help and not getting it.

[Rudy]

26 minutes ago, Casino said:

id definitely be happy to see a few squaddies on patrol

It needs it 

[Tonge moor green jacket]

4 minutes ago, Winchester White said:

Aye, and the crime rate and population is the same too, as is the number of unrecorded crimes by folk who are fed up of asking for help and not getting it.

It has grown for sure.

https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/populationandmigration/populationestimates/articles/overviewoftheukpopulation/mar2017/previous/v1

Just had a browse through this.

Population has increased by around 8 million in those two decades, with roughly (going off the graph) a quarter of that as a result of net migration. That’s a lot, and isn't sustainable, nor allows infrastructure and public services to keep up with such a rate of increase. 

Also inevitable that as density increases, so will certain crimes, and illnesses, further stretching resources.

 

[jeep]

Old bill patrolling Howfen.....

Where there's hardly any cases.....

[Tonge moor green jacket]

6 hours ago, MickyD said:

Land area matters very little unless the 10million inhabitants are each given a square area exactly the same size as every other inhabitant. Those 10mill are concentrated in large towns and cities in exactly the way they are in every other inhabited country.

Not quite that simple is it. As population is predominantly within conurbations, by definition the area/distance between them in big countries is larger.

Somewhere like Britain, travel distance is shorter so spread is easier.

I didn't know until a comment on the bbc, that Britons commute to work more than any other European nation. Not sure what exactly that meant, but I think it meant travelling outside of your town to work. Hence more likely to spread a disease.

[Rudy]

1 hour ago, Escobarp said:

North west needs locking down Completely and utterly. Roadblocks the lot before it spreads elsewhere. Harsh but true. 

The resident Jock is right. It needs locking down properly. If you need to leave the town it’s for work only

Queues back outside shops

Pubs restaurants shut, parks shut