Site Supporter fatolive Posted April 29, 2022 Site Supporter Share Posted April 29, 2022 2 hours ago, Dimron said: I was quite happy with the old order of two super powers facing each other off but respecting Mutually Assured Destruction. These are all Soviet Socialist States and the USSR breakdown appears to me have made the world a more dangerous place; you just can't tell where and when it will kick off next,we're going to be supporting somewhere called Transnistria next. It's one of the few things I agreed with Trump on with his statements about shit-hole countries expecting our military support and arms. I still see it all as a Russian civil war, like the Balkans on steroids and we're feeding the fire. Happy with the old order.. so east Germany , Poland, Czech Republic and Slovakia re united and all back behind the iron curtain then? or just a version of the old order ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gonzo Posted April 29, 2022 Share Posted April 29, 2022 3 hours ago, Dimron said: He can have the lot as far as I'm concerned, they've never given a fk about us so why should we cripple our economy? Because we are leaders of the free world and its our duty as a civilised affluent society to help protect smaller, less well off countries from invading dictators and tyranny? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators Carlos Posted April 29, 2022 Moderators Share Posted April 29, 2022 I mean, load of them were on our side in WW2, but sure, what have they ever done for us? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Site Supporter Tonge moor green jacket Posted April 29, 2022 Site Supporter Share Posted April 29, 2022 Appeasement. Again. I'm sure Vlad would welcome those with such beliefs into his country. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Escobarp Posted April 29, 2022 Share Posted April 29, 2022 20 minutes ago, gonzo said: Because we are leaders of the free world and its our duty as a civilised affluent society to help protect smaller, less well off countries from invading dictators and tyranny? Basic human decency I would say. If your fortunate enough to be in a position to help others less fortunate you do so. Maybe i am over simplifying it. But as a nation we are in a position to help so we should Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Site Supporter Tonge moor green jacket Posted April 29, 2022 Site Supporter Share Posted April 29, 2022 17 hours ago, Casino said: Whod have thowt it The krauts propping up the tory party with loads of euros.... Anyway, i thought euros were useless to em What does this mean? Found this, but it doesn't really correlate. https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-61257846.amp Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Escobarp Posted April 29, 2022 Share Posted April 29, 2022 4 minutes ago, Tonge moor green jacket said: What does this mean? Found this, but it doesn't really correlate. https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-61257846.amp They’ve all used a bank linked to one of the gas companies (maybe same shareholders or similar) that will accept euro payments which won’t then breach eu sanctions/regulations and then they convert to roubles and then forward payment to the gas provider I believe. so they get their roubles, Germans and whoever else does this to circumvent the sanctions get their gas and nobody is technically doing anything wrong other than morally. the rules are shoddy to allow such a simple workaround. Suspect krautways usuals will be aghast at such a thing being allowed by their government Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dimron Posted April 29, 2022 Share Posted April 29, 2022 1 hour ago, Sweep said: So basically, you're saying we should be having nothing to do with any of it then? - leave them to it? In a nutshell, yes Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dimron Posted April 29, 2022 Share Posted April 29, 2022 35 minutes ago, gonzo said: Because we are leaders of the free world and its our duty as a civilised affluent society to help protect smaller, less well off countries from invading dictators and tyranny? But why should we be the world's policemen, we really aren't an empire any more. The UN was established to sort this sort of thing. The only reason our government is spinning this out is because they want a Falklands moment. Why aren't we getting involved in Somalia? Sorry, I forgot, it's because we are supplying the Saudi dictators Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dimron Posted April 29, 2022 Share Posted April 29, 2022 20 minutes ago, Carlos said: I mean, load of them were on our side in WW2, but sure, what have they ever done for us? I would back the Poles as they really were our allies. Western Ukraine were allied to Hitler and supported his genocide with their extermination camps. Eastern Ukraine were allied to Russia Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dimron Posted April 29, 2022 Share Posted April 29, 2022 19 minutes ago, Tonge moor green jacket said: Appeasement. Again. I'm sure Vlad would welcome those with such beliefs into his country. I'm first up for a fight but we need to put some brakes on or as was said a few pages ago, someone is going to let go a bucket of instant sunshine before the year is out Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dimron Posted April 29, 2022 Share Posted April 29, 2022 58 minutes ago, fatolive said: Happy with the old order.. so east Germany , Poland, Czech Republic and Slovakia re united and all back behind the iron curtain then? or just a version of the old order ? German reunification seems to have been a success and Poland are our allies, not bothered about the rest of them Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mickbrown Posted April 29, 2022 Share Posted April 29, 2022 21 minutes ago, Dimron said: But why should we be the world's policemen, we really aren't an empire any more. The UN was established to sort this sort of thing. The only reason our government is spinning this out is because they want a Falklands moment. Why aren't we getting involved in Somalia? Sorry, I forgot, it's because we are supplying the Saudi dictators The Saudis are in Somalia? News to me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Site Supporter Cheese Posted April 29, 2022 Site Supporter Share Posted April 29, 2022 23 minutes ago, Dimron said: But why should we be the world's policemen, we really aren't an empire any more. The UN was established to sort this sort of thing. The only reason our government is spinning this out is because they want a Falklands moment. Why aren't we getting involved in Somalia? Sorry, I forgot, it's because we are supplying the Saudi dictators Eh? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Site Supporter fatolive Posted April 29, 2022 Site Supporter Share Posted April 29, 2022 48 minutes ago, Dimron said: I would back the Poles as they really were our allies. Western Ukraine were allied to Hitler and supported his genocide with their extermination camps. Eastern Ukraine were allied to Russia Who were allied to… and some surprising news, Germany, who you earlier said their reunification had been a success( even though you also said you were happy with the old order ) and presume you’d be happy to back if Russia invaded , well they were allied to Germany… sweeping simplicity in your reasons, history of these places doesn’t start in 1939 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BobyBrno Posted April 29, 2022 Share Posted April 29, 2022 1 hour ago, Dimron said: I would back the Poles as they really were our allies. Western Ukraine were allied to Hitler and supported his genocide with their extermination camps. Eastern Ukraine were allied to Russia What is now Western Ukraine was part of Poland prior to 1939. Not sure where you’re getting your info from. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TroySwoosh Posted April 29, 2022 Share Posted April 29, 2022 1 hour ago, Dimron said: But why should we be the world's policemen, we really aren't an empire any more. The UN was established to sort this sort of thing. The only reason our government is spinning this out is because they want a Falklands moment. Why aren't we getting involved in Somalia? Sorry, I forgot, it's because we are supplying the Saudi dictators Saudi's in Somalia? supporting Transnistria? is your name Ron? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Site Supporter Tonge moor green jacket Posted April 29, 2022 Site Supporter Share Posted April 29, 2022 21 minutes ago, BobyBrno said: What is now Western Ukraine was part of Poland prior to 1939. Not sure where you’re getting your info from. He isn't. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dimron Posted April 29, 2022 Share Posted April 29, 2022 We should not be involved in eastern European political wars, we don't know enough about their politics. End of. Don't forget you will now be paying three grand to heat a small house, ten quid for a gallon of petrol and three quid for a loaf of bread. What price freedom? Bombed out houses and maimed children? Puffing our chests out, huffing and puffing and thinking we still have gunboats to sort the bastards out? It's all about the Pentagon wanting to put missiles as close to Russia under the "Iranian threat" fallacy. We have only just finished paying off Marshall Aid, are we going to send them the Bill for all these weapons or is it "overseas aid"? Something we are supposed to have shelved. We're all bloody hypocrites. There is a strong possibility what is now Ukraine is going to be a crucible like the gates of hell for the rest of my life. Fuck off world is what I say, the sooner this infection called the human race is gone the better. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Site Supporter Cheese Posted April 29, 2022 Site Supporter Share Posted April 29, 2022 11 minutes ago, Dimron said: We should not be involved in eastern European political wars, we don't know enough about their politics. End of. Don't forget you will now be paying three grand to heat a small house, ten quid for a gallon of petrol and three quid for a loaf of bread. What price freedom? Bombed out houses and maimed children? Puffing our chests out, huffing and puffing and thinking we still have gunboats to sort the bastards out? It's all about the Pentagon wanting to put missiles as close to Russia under the "Iranian threat" fallacy. We have only just finished paying off Marshall Aid, are we going to send them the Bill for all these weapons or is it "overseas aid"? Something we are supposed to have shelved. We're all bloody hypocrites. There is a strong possibility what is now Ukraine is going to be a crucible like the gates of hell for the rest of my life. Fuck off world is what I say, the sooner this infection called the human race is gone the better. You are aware who is the doing the bombing aren't you? And as for "the sooner this infection called the human race is gone the better"..... You are a human, aren't you? You're like the people who becry over-population even though they've got 3 kids... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BobyBrno Posted April 29, 2022 Share Posted April 29, 2022 21 minutes ago, Dimron said: We should not be involved in eastern European political wars, we don't know enough about their politics. End of. Don't forget you will now be paying three grand to heat a small house, ten quid for a gallon of petrol and three quid for a loaf of bread. What price freedom? Bombed out houses and maimed children? Puffing our chests out, huffing and puffing and thinking we still have gunboats to sort the bastards out? It's all about the Pentagon wanting to put missiles as close to Russia under the "Iranian threat" fallacy. We have only just finished paying off Marshall Aid, are we going to send them the Bill for all these weapons or is it "overseas aid"? Something we are supposed to have shelved. We're all bloody hypocrites. There is a strong possibility what is now Ukraine is going to be a crucible like the gates of hell for the rest of my life. Fuck off world is what I say, the sooner this infection called the human race is gone the better. Not sure who you mean by ‘we’ Seems to me that the whole world apart from a small minority are against and are supporting the war against Ukraine. It may be an inconvenience for you but sometimes the human race rise up and fight against an obvious aggressor. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dimron Posted April 29, 2022 Share Posted April 29, 2022 31 minutes ago, Cheese said: You are aware who is the doing the bombing aren't you? And as for "the sooner this infection called the human race is gone the better"..... You are a human, aren't you? You're like the people who becry over-population even though they've got 3 kids... No kids Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dimron Posted April 29, 2022 Share Posted April 29, 2022 23 minutes ago, BobyBrno said: Not sure who you mean by ‘we’ Seems to me that the whole world apart from a small minority are against and are supporting the war against Ukraine. It may be an inconvenience for you but sometimes the human race rise up and fight against an obvious aggressor. India and China are not "supporting" They make up quite a large proportion of the world's population. Western Democracy is not as respected as you might like to think Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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BobyBrno Posted April 29, 2022 Share Posted April 29, 2022 (edited) 8 minutes ago, Dimron said: India and China are not "supporting" They make up quite a large proportion of the world's population. Western Democracy is not as respected as you might like to think Wouldn’t class China as Western. India are slowly coming round to joining the majority. Both Boris and Ursula have been over there in the last week. With hopefully, positive outcomes for both the U.K. and the EU. Not sure Putin has ever been. Edited April 29, 2022 by BobyBrno Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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