Meanwhile in Ukraine

[BobyBrno]

42 minutes ago, Sweep said:

I'm sure some will make out like it's all part of a masterplan. I suspect the reality is that he's just making it up as he goes along, and hoping for the best. There certainly are mixed messages coming from him

Why do always refer to others when you comment? Does it really bother you what others think? 

[Farrelli]

Anyone who thinks Russia could have been dissuaded from invading Ukraine should watch that interview with a pro Putin journo on Newsnight. Chilling. Said any UK attempt to stop Russia and they would wipe us out. Said any UK peacekeeping force would be killed. FWIW I don’t think we should do that as it would be too provocative. 

[Bertie]

Don’t think the war will go on too much longer tbh looking at overnight photos.  With Trump pulling all the rugs from underneath them and clearly encouraging Putin to ”bomb the hell out of them” whilst turning a blind eye and slagging the Ukrainians off at every opportunity, VZ is going to be forced to capitulate regardless of what European support comes along.

History won’t forget what Trump has done. Despicable coward with innocent blood on his hands. Is this the best he could do? The art of the deal my arse.

[mickbrown]

He’s a Russian asset. 

[Bertie]

Yep, definitely a Russian asset.  Regime change being pushed.  You can see it now - mega election interference to install a Russian sympathiser/proxy….. 

Trump has now upped the ante on his original requests, insiders claim, demanding Zelensky call an election and potentially step down as leader in order to secure military aid and intelligence access from the US.  

Trump is also expecting Zelensky to be open to relinquish territory to Russia in the name of striking a peace deal, NBC reports.
 

[Spider]

“You can have peace just as soon as I get what I want, until then, have another 100 drone attacks”

It’s for the greater good though that we just give in to Putin. And if he ever decides he wants more land, next time we now know to just let him have it rather than lose thousands of lives.

”I just want that bit of Moldova please, now you can either give it to me no questions asked, or we can have what we had in Ukraine”

Peace ✌️

[kent_white]

1 hour ago, Spider said:

“You can have peace just as soon as I get what I want, until then, have another 100 drone attacks”

It’s for the greater good though that we just give in to Putin. And if he ever decides he wants more land, next time we now know to just let him have it rather than lose thousands of lives.

”I just want that bit of Moldova please, now you can either give it to me no questions asked, or we can have what we had in Ukraine”

Peace ✌️

We could ask Moldova for their mineral rights in advance too.

Everyone's a winner (except Moldova obviously). 

[Not in Crawley]

The thing is, in his first term, he at least had people going, 'erm that's a bit nuts..'

Now the republicans are the Trump party so it's scorched earth - he can do what he wants. I don't actually blame Trump, I blame those who are clinging onto power to not stop him.

It's the complete opposite of 'draining the swamp.' It's actually created it.

[Sweep]

11 minutes ago, Not in Crawley said:

The thing is, in his first term, he at least had people going, 'erm that's a bit nuts..'

Now the republicans are the Trump party so it's scorched earth - he can do what he wants. I don't actually blame Trump, I blame those who are clinging onto power to not stop him.

It's the complete opposite of 'draining the swamp.' It's actually created it.

....but at least "the right people" are pissed off about it

[kent_white]

23 minutes ago, Not in Crawley said:

The thing is, in his first term, he at least had people going, 'erm that's a bit nuts..'

Now the republicans are the Trump party so it's scorched earth - he can do what he wants. I don't actually blame Trump, I blame those who are clinging onto power to not stop him.

It's the complete opposite of 'draining the swamp.' It's actually created it.

In some senses we were 'lucky' that his first time in office was largely curtailed by COVID. 

[Not in Crawley]

11 minutes ago, kent_white said:

In some senses we were 'lucky' that his first time in office was largely curtailed by COVID. 

I think Covid has actually helped him. Historically after pandemics, there has been a shift to isolated policies. Just finished Pale Rider - it's a must read.

[Not in Crawley]

30 minutes ago, Sweep said:

....but at least "the right people" are pissed off about it

I'm doing a tour that's coming from thw Mill in Sonning - it's next to George Clooney's UK gaff. 

He seems like a good guy and not that pissed off at all.

[kent_white]

5 minutes ago, Not in Crawley said:

I think Covid has actually helped him. Historically after pandemics, there has been a shift to isolated policies. Just finished Pale Rider - it's a must read.

I'm guessing this isn't the book of the Clint Eastwood film? 

[Spider]

23 minutes ago, kent_white said:

In some senses we were 'lucky' that his first time in office was largely curtailed by COVID. 

Mentioned this a few days ago.

Now he knows he has to make every day count and will go full batshit mental

[kent_white]

3 minutes ago, Spider said:

Mentioned this a few days ago.

Now he knows he has to make every day count and will go full batshit mental

He's got a lot of days to go yet too! 😬

And JD Vance waiting in the wings to pick up the baton...... 

[Lt. Aldo Raine]

10 hours ago, Spider said:

“You can have peace just as soon as I get what I want, until then, have another 100 drone attacks”

It’s for the greater good though that we just give in to Putin. And if he ever decides he wants more land, next time we now know to just let him have it rather than lose thousands of lives.

”I just want that bit of Moldova please, now you can either give it to me no questions asked, or we can have what we had in Ukraine”

Peace ✌️

I take your point, but I don't think even the Moldovans want Moldova

[BobyBrno]

Hopefully a lasting ceasefire is being negotiated and it’s in Ukraines favour. ie. the aggressor doesn’t win.

[royal white]

Looking like a cease fire will be getting signed, not long after the cease fire in Israel. 
 

2 words Patrick…… The Don 

[Tonge moor green jacket]

7 minutes ago, BobyBrno said:

Hopefully a lasting ceasefire is being negotiated and it’s in Ukraines favour. ie. the aggressor doesn’t win.

Doubt that very much.

Russia will be keeping some of the captured land I reckon.

The only thing I can see in Ukraine's favour may be companies investing being unwilling to do so without guarantees from Government (Trump) over protection.

[kent_white]

36 minutes ago, Tonge moor green jacket said:

Doubt that very much.

Russia will be keeping some of the captured land I reckon.

The only thing I can see in Ukraine's favour may be companies investing being unwilling to do so without guarantees from Government (Trump) over protection.

That's the way I see it too. 

I imagine they might even end up with more than they have presently. Otherwise I think Russia will keep on fighting till they've got the bare minimum they set out for. They've only got partial control in some of those reasons from what I understand. 

[Spider]

Ceasefire is good news.

What are the terms?

[Tonge moor green jacket]

A ceasefire not yet agrees by Russia.

I saw a piece earlier, and a reporter at a facility in Ukraine that produces graphite.

The production levels are well down, naturally, and the main chap there was saying he'd welcome investment, and that it would help with security for reasons as above. 

[Traf]

17 hours ago, Spider said:

Ceasefire is good news.

What are the terms?

Russia gets to keep Ukraine.

[Casino]

well theyve already got trump

[athywhite1958]

7 minutes ago, Casino said:

well theyve already got trump

They can keep him