Meanwhile in Ukraine

[Bertie]

Just now, royal white said:

First round of talks and it looks pretty promising. Not bad really after 3 years of killing. 

Agree with you.  I think all I/others are saying (sadly) is we shouldn’t get carried away given some of the character types involved…..esp as all concessions so far have been unilateral thanks to Trumpys pressure on VZ.  As before, I hope I’m wrong.

[Zico]

7 minutes ago, royal white said:

 

That article doesn’t make it look way off. 

and appeared to set out a series of sweeping conditions that would need to be met before Russia would agree to such a truce. 

 

We'll see

[Spider]

Have Ukraine taken some Russian land in Kursk?

If so (I’m honestly not sure) can they not agree to hand that back in exchange for all the land Russia have illegally taken from Ukraine?

That would be nice and simple 

[Cheese]

4 minutes ago, Spider said:

Have Ukraine taken some Russian land in Kursk?

If so (I’m honestly not sure) can they not agree to hand that back in exchange for all the land Russia have illegally taken from Ukraine?

That would be nice and simple 

They did, but Russia have pretty much taken it back over the last few days, and remaining Ukraine forces are pulling out.

Edited March 14, 2025 by Cheese

[Spider]

3 minutes ago, Cheese said:

They did, but Russia have pretty much taken it back over the last few days, and remaining Ukraine forces are pulling out.

Ah right.

well that’s that bollocksed then

i guess Putin will just be lubing up his Cossack widgie and preparing to slide it up trumps Big Mac passage

Edited March 14, 2025 by Spider

[Spider]

Part of the problem with having trump involved is that he simply doesn’t understand what a sovereign nation is.

So giving up land to Russia makes sense to him.

He will justify it if Putin goes and takes more because he just doesn’t give a fuck.

See Canada and Greenland for details.

[Farrelli]

53 minutes ago, Cheese said:

They did, but Russia have pretty much taken it back over the last few days, and remaining Ukraine forces are pulling out.

Helped enormously by US withdrawing intelligence support. Cheers Trump

[kent_white]

There's a part of me that reckons Russia might not play ball and Trump will flip and threaten to arm Ukraine to the teeth. 

They have backed Russia into a corner somewhat. 

And this Kremlin response is pretty wishy washy and doesn't really move us much further along. 

[Cheese]

43 minutes ago, kent_white said:

There's a part of me that reckons Russia might not play ball and Trump will flip and threaten to arm Ukraine to the teeth. 

They have backed Russia into a corner somewhat. 

And this Kremlin response is pretty wishy washy and doesn't really move us much further along. 

Not a chance.

[Zico]

Makes you wonder why Europe have sat on their arse for 3 years avoiding talks and peace

[Spider]

8 minutes ago, Zico said:

Makes you wonder why Europe have sat on their arse for 3 years avoiding talks and peace

That’s why I voted Brexit mate

[wanderer1984]

11 hours ago, royal white said:

First round of talks and it looks pretty promising. Not bad really after 3 years of killing. 

It's like they want it to fail so they can say I told you so

[kent_white]

1 hour ago, Cheese said:

Not a chance.

I'm not so sure. 

I think he might need to at least threaten to to bring them to the table. Publicly or privately. 

If they drag their heels - I think he'll put his fragile ego in charge and will want to save face with the American people. 

I didn't say I think it's likely - but I do think it's possible. 

[kent_white]

12 hours ago, royal white said:

First round of talks and it looks pretty promising. Not bad really after 3 years of killing. 

I'm not reading it as promisingly as you have. Just a delaying response from the Kremlin isn't it? And their position hasn't really changed...... 

Edit (hope I'm wrong of course) 

Edited March 14, 2025 by kent_white

[Tonge moor green jacket]

2 hours ago, kent_white said:

There's a part of me that reckons Russia might not play ball and Trump will flip and threaten to arm Ukraine to the teeth. 

They have backed Russia into a corner somewhat. 

And this Kremlin response is pretty wishy washy and doesn't really move us much further along. 

Didn't really expect anything else.

Playing hard ball like Trump is.

Something will be agreed, but what it Will look like is anyone's guess.

Stars and Stripes in the Donetsk and Kursk regions maybe. Trump look out towers.

[Spider]

29 minutes ago, wanderer1984 said:

It's like they want it to fail so they can say I told you so

Wait til you see what folk who didn’t vote Labour get all giddy about…

[Cheese]

34 minutes ago, wanderer1984 said:

It's like they want it to fail so they can say I told you so

Nobody wants it to fail. But it's fucking obvious what's going to happen. It's only your cultish devotion to Trump that is telling you otherwise.

[Casino]

1 hour ago, Cheese said:

Nobody wants it to fail. But it's fucking obvious what's going to happen. It's only your cultish devotion to Trump that is telling you otherwise.

is he fuck devoted to trump

hes just a piss poor wum

theres only you bothers with him

[Cheese]

17 minutes ago, Casino said:

is he fuck devoted to trump

hes just a piss poor wum

theres only you bothers with him

Noted. Although I would point out I'm not the only one who has replied to his posts.

Edited March 14, 2025 by Cheese

[royal white]

1 hour ago, Cheese said:

Nobody wants it to fail. But it's fucking obvious what's going to happen. It's only your cultish devotion to Trump that is telling you otherwise.

What’s going to happen? 

[gonzo]

51 minutes ago, royal white said:

What’s going to happen? 

Serious question...

Do you personally think a deal where Russia Keeps the land its stolen and Ukrainians just have to put up with it is a good thing?

 

[royal white]

16 minutes ago, gonzo said:

Serious question...

Do you personally think a deal where Russia Keeps the land its stolen and Ukrainians just have to put up with it is a good thing?

 

The elected Ukrainian leader seems to be happy with it. He’s the one who’s had to witness the deaths of 10s of thousand of his people. If it’s good enough for him and if it’s what he wants for his people then it will do for me. 

Edited March 14, 2025 by royal white

[kent_white]

1 hour ago, royal white said:

The elected Ukrainian leader seems to be happy with it. He’s the one who’s had to witness the deaths of 10s of thousand of his people. If it’s good enough for him and if it’s what he wants for his people then it will do for me. 

I'm not sure he's agreed to giving any land up yet though has he? 

I'm with you though. This is a decision for the Ukrainians! 👍

[Winchester White]

1 hour ago, royal white said:

The elected Ukrainian leader seems to be happy with it. He’s the one who’s had to witness the deaths of 10s of thousand of his people. If it’s good enough for him and if it’s what he wants for his people then it will do for me. 

The elected leader has been hamstrung into it more like.

But he is realistic and knows he cannot continue without US support which is evaporating.

Trump is once again putting his ego above American interests. Russia losing big numbers of equipment and manpower was a win for the US while they update their supplies offloading old stuff to Ukraine.

[gonzo]

So they sign for peace. And settle for what they've got/been stolen.

What happens when the separatist groups start kicking off?