Meanwhile in Israel

[bolty58]

On 20/04/2025 at 15:05, Tonge moor green jacket said:

Quite possibly. 

If that Hamas fighter was to go on and kill many Israelis, then they would have saved lives wouldn't they?

As I keep saying, it's war: If you purely look at it in terms of numbers of casualties, then your barking up the wrong tree.

Again, tell the IDF of your more effective method of terrorist neutralisation.

Israel's primary responsibility is to the safety and security of its own people.

Give him some credit for humour though. His attempt at labelling Israelis as 'primitive savages' takes some reconciling with the smarts required to create 5,000 exploding pagers.

Apparently Scotch and psilocybin is a potent cocktail.

[Tonge moor green jacket]

6 hours ago, bolty58 said:

Give him some credit for humour though. His attempt at labelling Israelis as 'primitive savages' takes some reconciling with the smarts required to create 5,000 exploding pagers.

Apparently Scotch and psilocybin is a potent cocktail.

I noticed that descriptor. 

Quite ironic really; surely that is a racist comment under his own philosophy?

A man who publicly objects to religious extremism, and raises its profile is a racist. Despite the displayed definition not specifically defining such objection as racist.

Yet use of such language is fine.

I doubt there is really any racism there, just a level of two tier assessments.

As there is a thread for it, I'll leave it there though.

As for this topic; I'd much rather live alongside Israeli savagery than Hamas, or indeed any other extremist Islamic terrorist group.

[Bertie]

I’d rather live alongside any person/family who are tolerant and respectful of all others regardless of any differences in race, religion, sex, gender etc. Being a decent human being is all that’s important. For that reason I’m sure there are some muslims, jews, christians or indeed atheists who I wouldn’t buy a house next to.

Edited April 22, 2025 by Bertie

[Traf]

2 hours ago, Tonge moor green jacket said:

As for this topic; I'd much rather live alongside Israeli savagery than Hamas, or indeed any other extremist Islamic terrorist group.

Only semantics separates the two. 
Both are organised murder machines.

[Zico]

2 hours ago, Tonge moor green jacket said:

I noticed that descriptor. 

Quite ironic really; surely that is a racist comment under his own philosophy?

A man who publicly objects to religious extremism, and raises its profile is a racist. Despite the displayed definition not specifically defining such objection as racist.

Yet use of such language is fine.

I doubt there is really any racism there, just a level of two tier assessments.

As there is a thread for it, I'll leave it there though.

As for this topic; I'd much rather live alongside Israeli savagery than Hamas, or indeed any other extremist Islamic terrorist group.

why is Israeli savagery preferable to Islamic terrorism?

I don't want to live alongside either personally

[kent_white]

1 hour ago, Zico said:

why is Israeli savagery preferable to Islamic terrorism?

I don't want to live alongside either personally

I'd rather leave it be next door to Hamas savagery than be on the receiving end of Israels. Primarily because Hamas done have anything like the backing, equipment or the resources that Israel so. Much greater chance of my family I making it though the day! 

[London Wanderer]

1 hour ago, Traf said:

Only semantics separates the two. 
Both are organised murder machines.

Aye

 Point that out and you’re just numpty on mushrooms 🥱🥱

No idea what TMJ is rambling about regarding racism.

It isn’t racist to point out Israeli extremism, neither is it to point out Islamic extremism.

 Both sides are currently being run by extremists. Odd that some posters can still only see one side.

[bolty58]

15 hours ago, Zico said:

why is Israeli savagery preferable to Islamic terrorism?

I don't want to live alongside either personally

There's the rub.

I see no Israeli 'savagery'. I see a nation wanting to live in peace as a westernised democracy under constant attack by savage extremists throughout the Middle East who want to 'push them all into the sea' or wipe them off the face of the Earth by any means available. I see a nation defending itself against overwhelming odds taking each and every measure to survive. This includes wiping out Hamas whoever they choose to hide behind.

Some folk are keen to level the word 'genocide' at them when the truth is they are the only ones ever to have faced a true attempt at genocide.

I would have absolutely no problem living next to anyone Jewish. I would have a problem living next door to anyone who wants to wipe an entire group of people off the face of the Earth. Anyone with such murderous intent at their absolute core would be capable of flipping at any time.

[Bertie]

11 hours ago, bolty58 said:

I would have a problem living next door to anyone who wants to wipe an entire group of people off the face of the Earth.

Me too.  So, if anyone felt that way about palestinians in Gaza presumably you would still feel the same. We’re on the same page 👍.

[gonzo]

 

 

 

[Cheese]

5 minutes ago, gonzo said:

Posted by "Israel's Foreign Affairs Ministry". 😁

[Zico]

35 minutes ago, Cheese said:

Posted by "Israel's Foreign Affairs Ministry". 😁

seems its on the right lines

https://commonslibrary.parliament.uk/research-briefings/cdp-2021-0105/

https://hansard.parliament.uk/commons/2021-06-30/debates/E477230F-58A0-4C3F-A6C5-43F42D330043/PalestinianSchoolTextbooksEUReview

[Lt. Aldo Raine]

Yeah, the material in Palestinian school textbooks is notoriously racist

[gonzo]

Muslims and hate teachings eh?

Who'd ave thunked it.

[Tonge moor green jacket]

8 minutes ago, gonzo said:

Muslims and hate teachings eh?

Who'd ave thunked it.

That's racist talk is that...

 

[kent_white]

I wonder if the tide is slowly changing over there. Let's hope so👍

[Tonge moor green jacket]

Sounds good, but they've been at each other for a good while.

Fatah, Hamas, other extreme groups all vying for control.

Dunno what's best: them all battling each other thus reducing their effectiveness elsewhere, or coming together, sorting out their own differences and then moving onto a two state solution with Israel.

The latter should be the best, but if it happened, there is no guarantee that the combined group would then be any more amenable to a peace agreement.

I can't see a genuine peace ever being achieved out there.

[fatolive]

3 hours ago, Tonge moor green jacket said:

Sounds good, but they've been at each other for a good while.

Fatah, Hamas, other extreme groups all vying for control.

Dunno what's best: them all battling each other thus reducing their effectiveness elsewhere, or coming together, sorting out their own differences and then moving onto a two state solution with Israel.

The latter should be the best, but if it happened, there is no guarantee that the combined group would then be any more amenable to a peace agreement.

I can't see a genuine peace ever being achieved out there.

That reads as if it’s the Palestinians in the way of a two state solution ? 
Isreal won’t entertain a two state solution, that’s one of the main issues? 

[bolty58]

40 minutes ago, fatolive said:

That reads as if it’s the Palestinians in the way of a two state solution ? 
Isreal won’t entertain a two state solution, that’s one of the main issues? 

Point missed I suspect.  No surprise with your 'liker'.

One side Israel, the other side a bunch of disparate groups many of whom despise each other and not one homogeneous group of Palestinians to negotiate with.

TMGJ was spot on with his post peace agreement thoughts. Getting these groups to negotiate as one body in the first place would be like herding cats.

Once Hamas are completely eradicated that would be one less problem 'player'. I suspect that there would be many more.

Edited April 23, 2025 by bolty58

[SatanGreavsie]

8 hours ago, Zico said:

seems its on the right lines

https://commonslibrary.parliament.uk/research-briefings/cdp-2021-0105/

https://hansard.parliament.uk/commons/2021-06-30/debates/E477230F-58A0-4C3F-A6C5-43F42D330043/PalestinianSchoolTextbooksEUReview

Top mon at that NGO which highlights curriculum issues is ex Bolton School.

[fatolive]

7 minutes ago, bolty58 said:

Point missed I suspect.  No surprise with your 'liker'.

One side Israel, the other side a bunch of disparate groups many of whom despise each other and not one homogeneous group of Palestinians to negotiate with.

TMGJ was spot on with his post peace agreement thoughts. Getting these groups to negotiate as one body in the first place would be like herding cats.

Once Hamas are completely eradicated that would be one less problem 'player'. I suspect that there would be many more.

of course , negotiations around a two state solution is what is needed and the only way . 
But that  Isreal won’t accept a two state solution is a fundamental stumbling block in that , along with the other side who won’t accept Israel’s existence. 
 

his post read, to me at least, that if the moderate non Hamas type Palestinians would just get on with negotiating it it would be a start , as if it was something Isreal wanted . 
 Think it will take, and always has done, Americas lean on Isreal to even get that to the negotiations and that pressure seems as far away as ever now .

[bolty58]

2 minutes ago, fatolive said:

of course , negotiations around a two state solution is what is needed and the only way . 
But that  Isreal won’t accept a two state solution is a fundamental stumbling block in that , along with the other side who won’t accept Israel’s existence. 
 

his post read, to me at least, that if the moderate non Hamas type Palestinians would just get on with negotiating it it would be a start , as if it was something Isreal wanted . 
 Think it will take, and always has done, Americas lean on Isreal to even get that to the negotiations and that pressure seems as far away as ever now .

In reality mate, it is hard to see any negotiation ending something which really started when the two main fairy tales were concocted a couple of millennia ago.

[London Wanderer]

On 23/04/2025 at 00:36, bolty58 said:

 

I see no Israeli 'savagery'. I see a nation wanting to live in peace as a westernised democracy

Crikey

Not sure how any rational thinking bloke looks at the history & evidence over there & comes to that conclusion.

Both sides are as bad as each other.

Being a democracy doesn’t make you immune

[Winchester White]

Louis Theroux The Settlers on tonight at 9pm.

[Bertie]

1 hour ago, Winchester White said:

Louis Theroux The Settlers on tonight at 9pm.

5 minutes in and the program already confirms there really is no hope for peace.

Theroux is great at this btw.